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Starting with Sasuke:
He gains the ability to cross dimensions ope portals to large distances and he should have the same range as momoshiki via perfoming the exact same feat.
Furthermore he says with his tomoe rinnega hes able to transport people so since the juubi in its incomple form has the exact same tomoe rinnega and madara has a complete one they should likely have it also.
Naruto:
Momoshiki is defeated by naruto and boruto rasengan.Boruto uses rasengan a small regular one and naruto adds his chakra to it and makes it huge while hes being stabbed by black rodds which i believe were sucking his chakra away from him.Anyways thats a 5C feat for him .Lets not forget that minato and naruto already did a father son rasengan and it didnt do much at all this one is exceptional because of narutos six paths chakra as well as his kyuubi which he has both halves off now.Borutos chakra has nothing exceptional that would do anything out of the ordinary or trigger something naruto used his chakra to amplify that regular rasengan and make it moon+.
Kaguya:
Previous threads have been made regarding her but they were pretty pointless since the novels arent even written by kishimoto therefore not canon or at least cant be proven unless he suddenly states he approves them.
Anyways we see in the beginning of the movie itself within her snow dimension that there was a moo which means her other dimension also contained a star (sun) which should be enough evidence to bump her to tier 4C or low 4B as she said create a new dimension this means Expansive TSB was previously used for the latter.Oh and btw its 100% confirmed that its her snow dimension because we see the exact same castle .And its where sasuke and kinshiki fight.
Finally Madara:
This has been brought up alot but ill just provide my points as to why the arguments established for his tier were not valid whatsoever.
Before even starting this madara performed a high 6A feat shin jokai kouta
First off Hagoromo despite having Juubi extracted from him still had its chakra otherwise he wouldnt even be able to perform six paths chibaku tensei in the first place because he would only have yang release thats why hagoromo and hamura both combine their seals to do the very first one.(Ying-Yang release)
Secondly madara never used six paths chibaku tensei so i dont even see how in the world you can base his power off chibaku tensei and claim hes not more powerful or at least equal to hagoromo who himself is only moon level via that single technique which is used for sealing btw so theres no reason for him to use it in the first place.
Thirdly Madaras power was at least equal to hagoromos before the zetsu thing.
Why you may ask let me explain things established whitin the series and prove it so.
Sasuke upon acquiring half of Hagoromos chakra gained an incomplete Sha rinnegan .
If Sasuke had also been given the other half naruto was given hed get this .
Hagoromo mentions madara being near him.
And this was before madara had gained his second eye and absorbed the shinju three.
When you gain power in naruto your eyes change depending on the amount but this is exclusive to those who had eye power prior unless you're skipping two stages.Like Naruto for example if he gained both Ying and yang halves instead of just yang he'd get rinnegan.
Momoshiki had a premature rinnegan and upon gaining power it turns purple and into a regular rinnegan he also awakens a third rinnegan on his forehead.
Theres also sasuke who awakens incomplete rinne sharigan as ive previously mentioned.
In Madaras case he absorbs the shinju three and gets his second rinnegan .
What happens next
He awakens a complete sha rinnegan is what happened .
Which further proves that he reached the same power hagoromo has now at the very least.
Also Otsutsukis regularly have byakugan this means that when kaguya ate the fruit she gained her complete sha rinnega to show it.
As we all know the thing separating madara and hagoromo to kaguya is her absorbing chakra from others this should mean that regular kaguya whitout absorbing chakra from others to gain her full power and being able to use Epansive TSB whos 5C = Jinchuriki Hagoromo = FP madara
Once madara got juubi extracted he no longer had his third eye which should explain why hagoromo no longer has it despite that he still has its chakra to some extent which is why he can use ying yang release.
Which should make complete sense...
So how is he not 5C exactly give me valid reasons why.
Thoughts on this?
He gains the ability to cross dimensions ope portals to large distances and he should have the same range as momoshiki via perfoming the exact same feat.
Furthermore he says with his tomoe rinnega hes able to transport people so since the juubi in its incomple form has the exact same tomoe rinnega and madara has a complete one they should likely have it also.
Naruto:
Momoshiki is defeated by naruto and boruto rasengan.Boruto uses rasengan a small regular one and naruto adds his chakra to it and makes it huge while hes being stabbed by black rodds which i believe were sucking his chakra away from him.Anyways thats a 5C feat for him .Lets not forget that minato and naruto already did a father son rasengan and it didnt do much at all this one is exceptional because of narutos six paths chakra as well as his kyuubi which he has both halves off now.Borutos chakra has nothing exceptional that would do anything out of the ordinary or trigger something naruto used his chakra to amplify that regular rasengan and make it moon+.
Kaguya:
Previous threads have been made regarding her but they were pretty pointless since the novels arent even written by kishimoto therefore not canon or at least cant be proven unless he suddenly states he approves them.
Anyways we see in the beginning of the movie itself within her snow dimension that there was a moo which means her other dimension also contained a star (sun) which should be enough evidence to bump her to tier 4C or low 4B as she said create a new dimension this means Expansive TSB was previously used for the latter.Oh and btw its 100% confirmed that its her snow dimension because we see the exact same castle .And its where sasuke and kinshiki fight.
Finally Madara:
This has been brought up alot but ill just provide my points as to why the arguments established for his tier were not valid whatsoever.
Before even starting this madara performed a high 6A feat shin jokai kouta
First off Hagoromo despite having Juubi extracted from him still had its chakra otherwise he wouldnt even be able to perform six paths chibaku tensei in the first place because he would only have yang release thats why hagoromo and hamura both combine their seals to do the very first one.(Ying-Yang release)
Secondly madara never used six paths chibaku tensei so i dont even see how in the world you can base his power off chibaku tensei and claim hes not more powerful or at least equal to hagoromo who himself is only moon level via that single technique which is used for sealing btw so theres no reason for him to use it in the first place.
Thirdly Madaras power was at least equal to hagoromos before the zetsu thing.
Why you may ask let me explain things established whitin the series and prove it so.
Sasuke upon acquiring half of Hagoromos chakra gained an incomplete Sha rinnegan .
If Sasuke had also been given the other half naruto was given hed get this .
Hagoromo mentions madara being near him.
And this was before madara had gained his second eye and absorbed the shinju three.
When you gain power in naruto your eyes change depending on the amount but this is exclusive to those who had eye power prior unless you're skipping two stages.Like Naruto for example if he gained both Ying and yang halves instead of just yang he'd get rinnegan.
Momoshiki had a premature rinnegan and upon gaining power it turns purple and into a regular rinnegan he also awakens a third rinnegan on his forehead.
Theres also sasuke who awakens incomplete rinne sharigan as ive previously mentioned.
In Madaras case he absorbs the shinju three and gets his second rinnegan .
What happens next
He awakens a complete sha rinnegan is what happened .
Which further proves that he reached the same power hagoromo has now at the very least.
Also Otsutsukis regularly have byakugan this means that when kaguya ate the fruit she gained her complete sha rinnega to show it.
As we all know the thing separating madara and hagoromo to kaguya is her absorbing chakra from others this should mean that regular kaguya whitout absorbing chakra from others to gain her full power and being able to use Epansive TSB whos 5C = Jinchuriki Hagoromo = FP madara
Once madara got juubi extracted he no longer had his third eye which should explain why hagoromo no longer has it despite that he still has its chakra to some extent which is why he can use ying yang release.
Which should make complete sense...
So how is he not 5C exactly give me valid reasons why.
Thoughts on this?
