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Mami Tomoe Vs. Daemon Spade

>Illusion Creation

Not too useful, Mami dealt with Kyoko who can make her illusions real. Also sensing

>Limited Reality Warping

Mami fights witches for a living who are reality warpers

>Mind Control

Mami resists

>Possession

Mami's body is already a puppet controlled by the Soul Gem so it will be harder

>Forcefield Creation

Useful but only helps for so long

>Can see illusions

Mami doesn't use them

>Can see weakness and status

Mitigated by her Memoria

>Power Mimicry

How does it works?

>Duplication

Mami has that herself

>Healing

Mami has that too

>Flight

Countered by range

>BFR

How does it works?

>Statistics Amplification

Mami has that

>Electricity Manipulation

Useful but only for versatility

>Magnetism Manipulation

Basically the same as Mami doesn't use metallic stuff

>Slow and Power Null

Mami's status resistance covers both (and she has power null herself)

>Plant/Eart manipulation

Good for versatility

>Can ferment and rot away inorganic stuff

How does it works?

>Ice manip

Good for versatility

>Portal Creation and Teleportation

Range for those, and are they spammable?
 
Portal creation and teleportation are spamable, and he can also emply them with his other techniques. It's how he has BFR iirc. He typically only uses them whe he's in a real pinch, or to enter or exit a battle.

For his BFR he can open a portal with his card and whatever falls inside is trapped in an illusory world. Though their physical body is trapped there as well.

I'll have to get back to you on the rotting of inorganics. I'm fairly certain it works on contact as it should be a product of the storm flames disintegration attribute.

What is her memoria? I likely missed it on her profile. I also think it's a bit of a stretch to imply his illusions are useless. He fools illusion masters with his illusions, which is likely superior to the person which Mami fought.

His power mimicry only really works in verse. He can copy other techniques as he has access to all flames minus those of the earth and sky.
 
Also, how potent is her resistance to mind manipulation?

I just read her memoria. I'm not really sure how it counters him seeing her weakness and abilities for what they are.

Also, I don't think that's an adequate counter to possession. Simply because she's being controlled by something else doesn't mean her body can't be possessed. But, once again, if you could elaborate on what you mean, I would appreciate it.
 
@Teon

Rotting of inorganics stuffs come from Shit P's Swamp Flame, so yes it works on contact.

Anyway, how many of body that Mami can duplicate?
 
If the BFR needs a portal she can probably avoid it

Got confused about the Memoria part, i meant that she can also analyze weaknesses

Almost every witch can overtake someone's body and Mami resists that (While on the brink of death no less) so possesion isn't really feasible

Her mind manipulation resistance no sells mind screw that works on hundreds (Worth pointing out that she can also do it herself).

Kyoko's wish and power set are entirely centered on illusions. She makes illusions so perfect that they can actually harm people.

Mami can make an indefinite amount of bodies.

Also, how is his resistance to power nullification and mind manipulation?
 
His resistance to mind manipulation is pretty decent. Someone essentially would have to engage in some sort of mental battle with him to affect his mind. And even within his mind, there are so many illusions that it would get kind of confusing. Things are far more potent inside his head, which makes trying to enter it put the enemy at a disadvantage. It's so good that he was able to engage in one of these battes and steal the body of the person he was fighting, despite that person's body being hundreds to thousands of kilometers away.

Daemon's mind manipulation isn't really for affecting the masses. It's potential lies in its ability to take over one person. I've already gave an example above, but it's also how he was able to live for so long. Through taking over the bodies of others constantly. Mukuro is the most impressive example, given that he also has resistance to possession and mind manipulation, but had his body taken over anyway.

That sounds fundamentally different from real illusions. Effect seems similar enough though. But how they gain their functions seems fundamentally different.

I don't recall him having resistance to power nullification, I'd have to check on that.

Yeah, he tends to have to set up his BFR. For example, when he used a certain attack against Hibari, and Hibari dodged, he ended up doding right into a portal. So any small movement, even the necessary ones such as doding an attack, could result in a BFR.

Seems like they can both analyze each other's weaknesses. Awesome.

How in character is it for Mami to make infinite duplicates? Also, would you be able to link some of her fights here? I'd like to watch them, as I've only seem her fight against Homura, and that was interrupted by Bebe.
 
Would he be able to counter the raw potency of Mami's mind hax then? It seems that he mastered his own better, but Mami/Candeloro has a serious advantage in potency.

There is also the fact that Doppel Candeloro can reality warp non resistant enemies to kill them.

She can't make infinite duplicates. She can keep making them, but she won't make an army.

Linking the fights is kinda complicated as I own mostly physical copies of the mangas so i'd have to take photos.
 
I think he would. He's extremely intelligent, finding a way to not only elude the Vongola, but stay out of the path of every other mafioso personel in order to exact his revenge. The whole fight against Mukuro kinda cemented his mind as being rather ridiculous. His mind hax is very potent when he chooses to use it. Stealing the body of the second best illusionist in the series while fighting with illusions (kinda an inception, lol) is certainly pretty high up there. Especially given that the body was so far away, and he also had to deal with Chrome in some small regard.

Oh, wow. That's kinda crazy.

Gotcha. He can only make 6 so she'll be able to produce more than him.

Okay. Would you be able to provide chapters? Are any of the fights animated aside from the one versus Homura?
 
Which fights do you need? I can try to find them for you.

As for the reality warping, Candeloro is leagues above the witch who did this.
 
Any of them, honestly. Whichever ones best showcase her abilities in her strongest form. I'm not very familiar with the series so I wouldn't be able to name specific fights other than the one I've already mentioned.

Ooh, nice.
 
Well, her strongest form is basically a witch form controlled by her magical girl self so it doesn't get much screen time.

I'll try to get some scans of her various battles (It will take a while tho)
 
It's all good. Chapters are all I need. I can read them when I get time. I don't want to create too much work for you, though it is appreciated.
 
The fight with False Mami and False Kyoko can be downloaded here and here, although i recommend to read the entire manga (It isn't that long, only 9 chapters) otherwise it's a bit difficult to understand.

The fight with Kyoko starts towards the end of chapter 9.

This is Candeloro's boss fight/barrier (The strongest version is Mami+Candeloro).

The battle with Kirika is chapter 3 and 4.

Here is the fight with Homura.

There is more but those are the main ones.
 
I dunno yet. Although I'm leaning a bit towards Mami mostly due to the fact that she is a tad more resilient while DS only resists mind manipulation from what it seems.
 
I'll be able to give a more suitable response once I read the manga. Thank you Kaltias. Right now I'm leaning inconclusive, potentially DS because of the sheer versatility and mind manipulation resistance. Though this seems really close.

I'm also not sure who has the AP advantage. Though I'm not sure how important that will be given their hax.
 
Mami also has mind resistance.

Doppel Candeloro > Candeloro >>>>>> Magical girl Mami who is mid end 7-A
 
I'm aware. It's on her profile, lol. Never said she didn't have it. Though AP doesn't have an effect on how potent mind manipulation is. Star Wars characters are an overused example of such.
 
Ah. My apologies for my misinterpretation.

I'm more so looking for a calc, if there is one. I was going to look into it a bit later.
 
He scales from Tsuna's 176.22 megatons feat i believe (Although DS is far above that)

Also does type 8 really need to be restricted? Mami's is extremely easy to bypass
 
Yes, I'm more familiar with KHR, so I know of Tsuna's feat. I was more so asking for Mami's calc, or a link to the calc that she's scaled to.
 
She is not scaled to a calc. She is 7-A because she is one of the few characters who can damage Walpurgisnacht who is baseline 6-C, but this requires a barrage of several minutes, so Mami is still far behind her
 
Thank you. I mean, normally those not given a calc are assumed to be baseline to avoid bias from what I've seen. However, based upon your information, she's somewhat scaled to someone who is baseline 6-C. I'm not sure where that places her.
 
Mami is generally accepted to be in the mid end of 7-A (Barrage and all, but we are still talking about harming a 6-C, if she was baseline she wouldn't be able to inflict even a papercut)
 
Legit surprised that this one got no traction. Maybe it's because people aren't familiar with MagiReco Mami
 
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