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Son Goku vs Rayquaza

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Saiyan Saga Goku? better vote him via AP.

How good is Rayquaza's Resistance to Martial Arts?
 
239.0056 zettatons for ray at max power .

276 fir kaiokenx4 goku . (Implying his base is exactly as strong as piccolo pre raditz, it isnt so unquantifiably higher by an uknown degree ).
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
>ratquaza plabet busting .
Just as likely as Goku planet busting .
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Well Goku wouldn't do it because it would be suicide. But if push comes to shove Rayquaza wouldn't hesitate.
 
Yeah he would dude , his main purpose for existing kinda is preventing that at all cost , he won't blow up earth to kill one man .
 
Well I assume they're fighting in a barren planet and won't care about collateral damage. I mean this is a fake fight after all to see who's stronger
 
Yeah, but not bloodlusted . Hence both stoll abide by character limitations . Rayquaza , his entire character goes against what ya claim . And no standard battle assumption is middle of Manhattan .
 
Im pretty sure this is an equalized setting until stated otherwise, it wouldnt be on the same pokemon/DB planet that Rayquaza or Goku defends, that'd be unfair both ways unless Cal wants to give a location. And just because its against Rayquaza's character to destroy stuff doesnt mean he would have that same thing here. That'd be like saying Aang wouldnt kill because airbender pacifisim or Katara wouldnt use Bloodbending when allowed.
 
Yeah Katara not being allowed to bloodbend in a vs thread would be a major nerf, it's the strongest power of waterbenders.
 
SBA is middle of Manhattan .

Both goku and ray are willing ta kill, not blow up entire planets especially when both avoid cvollateral and the like unless needed, and both just blowing planets and the like are out of character greatly .

Dont try and do mental gymbastics, this is not a bloodlusted match , neither are gonna pull shit neither would do in bith if their wildest dreams .

If she does not do that while bein in character then no , she will not do that unless bloodlusted .
 
This seems like downplaying right now.

First of all, if its in middle of manhattan, then its already not in the pokemon world. Meaning, Rayquaza "not busting planets" isn't happening here because this isnt the pokemon world, which is the one he protects. Thats it.

Yeah to their ow worlds. Not random ones. If its a world they have 0 care in the world for, holding back is completely uneccesary.

Too bad she kinda has and its been allowed. This is no different.
 
And? Neither do that Kukui. Never has , never will. He is a guardian. Neither him or Goku are bad. Neither will blindly planet bust or do something so widely out of character while , ya know, in character.

So both are villains when needed it will do something neither ever would do ?

Find me a thread where it was actually used, and wasn't bloodlusted. Either way if it was out of their character in a in character match it was wrong Kukui.
 
Thing is, in character stuff don't apply exactly like their own worlds. This is a fictional battle, they might not do random stuff initially but they can fight to death here without any negative consequence to their own worlds. So I don't see why Rayquaza wouldn't bust the planet if he has no other means to win. Nothing is holding him back
 
Because it is out of character .

What if hypothetical battle means nothing, sba states willing to kill but still in character, meaning if it is something neither would do normally, it will not be happening here .
 
Because again, they do that in their worlds. You can't suddenly apply that to every single setting they fight with an opponent in if its foreign to them. That nerfs the character. It's not about being villains. It's about winning a fight, to which the loser dies. A death match.

According to only you. Majority>>Minority, a single opinion changes nothing. The fact her "hesitance" to use bloodbending isn't even listed as a notable weakness supports this. And here, a thread with no bloodlust and she's allowed to use it. No one batting an eye.
 
Normally Goku would be in Dragon Ball and Rayquaza would be in Pokemon world. New York is not a normal location for either, so in character is a moot point. They have no reason to worry about collateral damage, at least initially

By the way, Goku eliminated people in ToP caused Zeno to erase some universes, he will definitely do what's necessary to win here. In character that is.
 
"By the way, Goku eliminated people in ToP caused Zeno to erase some universes, he will definitely do what's necessary to win here. In character that is. "

That's because it's either that or Universe 7 gets erased from existence. That's not exactly a fair comparison.
 
Nerfing or not means shit kukui, in character is in character, yeah it nerfs them but oh well, character flaws mean nothing . Yeah death match, both willing ta kill, like sans , he normally would not fight but sba makes him but it wont maje him do shit he never did before or ever would.

>thread with literally two people.

That better be a joke .

Also ratqyaza busting earth would kill himself, hed die eventually, he can take trips to soace but he can not live there, he can not live with nothing, noted twuce .
 
Well this is a fake fight to death so I guess Goku would want to win. It's not that he has anything to lose here, except his own life.

The neutral location gives both Goku and Rayquaza some leverage to be more aggressive, than they would be in their own worlds.
 
I don't see how being in a place he doesn't know, especially in a place as obviously populated as New York, would make Goku more willing to do collateral damage. Goku or Rayquaza blindly planet busting is insanely out of character.
 
I always determine that 'In character but willing to win' means that if a tactic would be something that the character either doesn't do normally or frowns upon, they won't do this from the get-go and will only do it as a last resort/desperation move.

So, to me, this comes down not as 'Will Rayquaza bust the planet?' but instead 'Could Goku push Rayquaza to the point? Could Goku win before Rayquaza does it?'
 
He would be willing because he's in a fake fight and has no way out. Also planet busting is definitely out of character, however it's only a possibility if there's no other way to win. Goku not being able to survive in space is a major and valid weakness for a reason
 
Then by that logic, Aang can't be in any death battles because he wouldnt kill, thus he automatically loses? Seriously doubt something like that is gonna fly. If its a nerf, it gets thrown out for fairness. Simple as that.

>Sans

To his own world. His world =/= others.

Don't nitpick. You asked for a thread, I gave you one. Turning it around with asking for more isn't going to help you.

>Rayquaza dies

You do know he literally lives in the Ozone Layer right? Even if "eventually" he's not dying anytime soon and "eventually" isnt an argument. Its about who dies first. By the time Rayquaza "dies" the fight would long be over.
 
SBA is in-character but willing to kill, not "willing to do everything to win even if it's hilariously out of character and something that would kill them too".
 
Exactly what Joesph said. A random planet that no character from their respective verse has 0 ties to shouldnt at all be the first concern on their mind, if anything the last. Saying they'd give the same treatment to all places different from their own for no real reason is blatently nerfing them. Not that it would be the first thing they'd do yes, but not doing it at all is ludicrious also.
 
Rayquaza won't be dying in a planet bust, is he? I don't see why he won't use it as a last resort, in or out of character. Not that he has any choice here, he's forced to fight for his life, for no reason. The term 'last resort' is important
 
No he'd be willing to kill, that is the only difference.

Funny, find one where people who actually know anything about it saud something and a thread that didn't die befire even finishing.

Yeah, ray lives in the ozone layer, feeding on water and airvparticles and meteors. Things it needs ta live. How much air abd water is in space? Not that much, best hed get is inconclusive.
 
Cool, when is superman plabet busting every match becayse he has no ties to that planet?

Listen to yourself, the only ludicrous thibg here is how much mental gymnastics needs to be done to justify something neither would ever do.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Cool, when is superman plabet busting every match becayse he has no ties to that planet?
Listen to yourself, the only ludicrous thibg here is how much mental gymnastics needs to be done to justify something neither would ever do.
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As a last resort dude, why do you think Goku not being able to surive is a weakness that matters? It's a weakness that can be exploited, just as it happened for Vegeta in RoF.

If Superman fights enemies who can survive in space, planet busting won't matter since it's a nonfactor. But it's a factor when saiyans are fighting. Also again, last resort.

If you think neither Goku and Ray can survive in outer space that's a completely different topic, in that case planet busting is also a nonfactor for being suicide move
 
Yeah becayse it is a weakness. Character indexing site furst and foremost, and it would only matter when bloodlusted or fighting someone who would do that, like Frieza not a literal protector of earth .


ya just imply superman would ever bust earth ? While non bloodlusted? If so not even gonna explain why that, well that just happens to be hilariously wrong .

Neither would do it even if both could.
 
Im not going to search for stuff your constantly throwing a fit about just because you didnt get your way. Again, YOU asked for a thread on what happened with Katara and I gave you one. Complaining about specifics to suit yourself afterward isn't flying and isn't my problem. As well as the fact you were already asking much from a character who had like 2 matches with bloodbending being permitted.

And given Rayquaza has done that for entire centries upon centries, he isn't instantly dying in space the moment the planet is gone. He'll survive more than long enough to claim the win over Goku should that point ever be crossed.
 
Is planet busting banned for this matchup? If not, I absolutely don't see why it's not viable as a last resort, regardless of in or out of character. This is a fictional fight with no way out, where characters are forced to fight to death for zero reason, with nothing at stake except their own lives. There won't be any diplomacy here to fix their duel, it will end badly one way or another.
 
Throwing a fit? If telling you that isn't how in character matches work, and my way? Well considering both me and ever told ya no not how that works. Thinking maybe it is ya who is in the wrong here . And your example is actually astrocious.


Living in the ozone, which is filled with the exact things he needs to live is not even close to survinvg in space. At best ratqyaza has shown a few minutes of space travel, nothing more , it would still be inconclusive if he dies like hours later let alone a handful of minutes.
 
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