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Crimson King (DT) vs Death of the Endless (DC)

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It's that time again.

Death goes to claim Destiny at the end of creation, but finds Dis instead!

Who's gonna take this absurd battle of deathiness?!

Death: 0

Dis: 2

Inconclusive: 9

WfETRSD
Death Endless
 
Last time on "The Higher Random VS The Endless"...

Continuing from that, what I've gathered from the previous thread is that the entire reason Dis couldn't do anything short of stalemating is because Destiny's function keeps the King's metahax in check.

Death's function, however, does not.

Now before anyone evokes an argument of how Death's function gives her 'absolute control' over life and death, the same thing is undoubtedly true of Gan. (As far as DT's verse goes, Gan has 'absolute control' over just about everything. I've explained this in the last thread in great detail.) Gan, from what evidence we are given, wasn't able to outright kill Dis; he simply locked him out of creation and actively limited his power. If he had been able to, the overarching cosmic conflict of DT would have never had to happen.

With no means of nullifying the Crimson King's powers over fate and story, as well as no means of killing him by virtue of a being who should easily have the same level (if not a higher degree) of Life/Death control being unable to do the same, I'd have to give this one to the Crimson King, albeit with high difficulty to an extent.

And by the by, Dis is not limited by the end of all existence. Thus, Death's act of 'claiming Destiny at the end of creation', even if taken literally, should not apply to him.

Anyone else's move, but that's my standpoint at the moment.
 
Added. 1-0 in King's favor. Very good reasoning as well, I might add.
 
Well, I spose that's what you get when I begin to serialize these threads.
 
I think Death can potentially have this, but I need time to get my information in order, and I can easily be wrong.
 
The High 1-B's don't get enough good matchups anyway, due to how ludicrously OP this tier is. Of course we're gonna let this run its course.
 
@Cal

Should I add your vote, then?

Also, have you seen the thread with CK vs Destiny?
 
I'm probably gonna go to sleep soon anyway, so no need to wait :p. And tbh, I was kinda just saying things without any backing, and using elementary knowledge on the two to make a hasty decision. Death has a chance, and I stick by that, but it may or may not be enough.
 
Well, be that as it may, I can add the vote anyway if you'd like until you have more reasoning. It can always be switched or removed later :p
 
Is this gonna be a trend now? If so, gud c':

Anyway, everything seems analyzed well enough by others that I really can't say much else other than I agree The King takes it for their reasons. Death has an extremely potent function with her hax, yes, but it won't be as useful as what Destiny had to stalemate The King soooo...yeah. CK for those reasons.
 
High 1-B battles? Maybe. I find battles at this high of a tier extremely interesting, as lower tiers are a little more cut-and-dry (concrete feats with precise calculations, etc.)

Your voted was added.
 
Aeyu said:
I find battles at this high of a tier extremely interesting, as lower tiers are a little more cut-and-dry (concrete feats with precise calculations, etc.)
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I actually find it to be the opposite as far as 'not being cut-and-dry' goes. At this tier, battles basically boil down to the questions of 'Which character is more unbeatable?' and 'Whose hax are more unstoppable?' at the absolute extreme. The matches are usually very clear-cut due to the sheer size of the tier and the nature of the hax being tossed around at this level. (Take a good, hard look at how CK's matches prior to now have turned out, for example...)

And judging by all of the past/dead threads I've looked at, I'd say the Endless have been kicking the shit out of everyone else in High 1-B for a long time now. And now there's a guy (technically three of them if we lowball Gan & Bessa) who can give them a real fight?

The hype is real.
 
Like I said in the thread before, CK will run into a different problem if he fights Death.

Death isn't as limited as Destiny.While Destiny's power seems to diminish or maybe even disappear outside of Creation.Death does not, Death is there wherever the concept of Death exist.SHE IS the concept of death.Whenever there is something capable of dying.Death will exist and Death will be there

Death is the endless with the least restriction because her job requires her to be everywhere

So how far does Death's reach extend?

Claimed Elaine even though she is in Lucifer's creation, which is completely separated from the original Creation as shown when the Basanos was blinded by Lucifer's creation

This shows that Death is present even in the Creations in the Void

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Maybe even present across all Creations in the Void

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The void is infinite, the Void is the paper


Even Lucifer said Death is inevitable

So Death already claimed the Creation where silk man came from.That Creation is older than the current Creation and is likely that the Presence or Michael or Lucifer doesn't even exist during the time when this Creation exists.Yet Death already claimed it, so this seems to imply that the Endless are old, very old and as Lucifer said even fleeing to the Void won't help



So why is this important? this just means that Death is omnipresent or nigh omnipresent right? Each of those Creation is Creation similar to DC, similar to the Dark Tower and Death is present across all those Creations

As shown in The Sandman Overture, The Endless are just viewpoints.So each creature have different viewpoints

Crimson King might be able to Destroy the Dark Tower but Death is the end of all creations.All those possibly infinite creations in the Void.

Infinite Creations, not universes but other Creations like DC or Dark Tower

And as shown in Overture there's a different Endless for every being that exists


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Also even if CK manage to kill one of "viewpoints" of the Endless, there are still possibly other Deaths across the Void.Overture also showed that killing a single Endless isn't enough if you want to get rid of them permanently

So what can Ck do to permanent put Death down?

He needs to go into the Void (but that would make him 1-A right?) and eliminate the concept of Death not just in DC but across all those Creations in the Void

This function of Death, existing where death exists no matter where even across the Void would prevent CK from Perma killing her
 
Also I'm not saying that Dark Tower is in the Void but rather you can think of those Creations as something similar to DC multiverse or the Dark Tower
 
He won't be able to completely Destroy Death unless he can:

1) Erase the concept of Death not just in DC multiverse alone but all across the infinite Creations in the Void.That is assuming he can survive on the Void long enough to erase all concepts of Death

2)He's more powerful than the Presence
 
Well, the Dark Tower encompasses multiple infinite creations as well, as it is the nexus of absolutely all realities. I will again reference that one blog where it says Gan is one with literally all possible multiverses that could exist, not to mention the Man in Black's comments to the Gunslinger about every atom containing an infinite number of multiverses, to which universe is another atom in a larger universe which serves as another set of infinitely infinite multiverses. When the King's machine was destroyed, it affected ALL of these realities at once, so it's not far-fetched to think that without the Tower, that he could use his powers across all of existence at once.
 
Aeyu said:
Well, the Dark Tower encompasses multiple infinite creations as well, as it is the nexus of absolutely all realities. I will again reference that one blog where it says Gan is one with literally all possible multiverses that could exist, not to mention the Man in Black's comments to the Gunslinger about every atom containing an infinite number of multiverses, to which universe is another atom in a larger universe which serves as another set of infinitely infinite multiverses. When the King's machine was destroyed, it affected ALL of these realities at once, so it's not far-fetched to think that without the Tower, that he could use his powers across all of existence at once.
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So does the DC multiverse

But those multiverses still exists in DT while the Creations in The Void are separated by... well the Void
 
You can compare The Void to the Prim and all those Creations as something similar to the Dark Tower or DC

The only reason why Death is present across all of them is because her function requires her to be present everywhere where the concept of Death is present
 
Unless the The Todash Space is a 1-A space like the Void then still no.

The closest thing to The Void in DT verse is the Prim
 
It could be. Even High 1-B beings like the Old Ones were devastated by the Todash Entities that lay dormant within. Not to mention the thinnies that it creates can cut through both time and space, not to mention reality.
 
And also unless CK was shown to be able to destroy infinite Dark Towers separated by the Prim then he wont be able to permanent put down Death
 
Death is the highest type of Void though

Even the Void isnt incomprehensible to the likes of Presence and Lucifer

Edit: I mean they still view the Void as infinite

Edit 2: I mean the Void is the highest type of void
 
Each universe is an infinitely-infinite multiverse, though. And it's implied that Gan exists in every possible layer of creation as well.

We're gonna have to break out the blogposts here!
 
...Yeah, I got nothing. Well played. :p

As such, however, this is still inconclusive. She can't effectively kill him thanks to his absolutely preposterous defenses and his separation from the death of the DT setting, while he can't effectively end her due to her function. Same vehicle as the last one, just with a new coat of paint. (At least red and black look good together, amirite?)

Minor Addendum: Wouldn't this make her reach 'Outerversal' rather than 'High Hyperversal'? If so, her range should be upgraded accordingly.
 
Outerversal implies that Death is also omnipresent across the Void itself.She isn't, Death is omnipresent on all creations, on all things (that has the concept of Death) separated by the Void.

It's just that she is inescapable that even if you go to an outerversal space she can reach you.Because you can still die and as long that concept exists so will Death.

There's also the fact that the end of The Book of Destiny shows that Death has to claim Destiny, so if CK cant kill Destiny then Death will live on or maybe he can change what's written on the book but as we discussed on the previous thread he probably cant because that means he's either going to contend against the Presence or Father Time who are both beyond his pay grade
 
Honestly, King, I would say that King's reach is Outerversal too, because he can navigate the Prim and Todash Space freely.

Not to mention King can restructure the entirety of a beyond-infinite reality to suit his needs, and could likely influence the Prim as well if not for Gan's prevention of such a thing.

Not to mention King's plotshields, plot manip, and whatnot.
 
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