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(BoS) Gaara vs Toph

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Is this EoS/The Last Gaara? If it is, then this is a spite thread.

If it's BoS Gaara, he should still win fairly easily.
 
Still a stomp...

You should change it to BoS Gaara for a (somewhat) fair fight.
 
i agree. but still. are you sure? i mean she can bend any metal. and seimic sense allows her to see it comming allowing her to react.
 
Toph hasn't lavebending, gaara's shields are powerful and fast enough to proctect him from ordinaty lava .Gaara takes this (the deathbattle forgot one main factor... speed)
 
Kkapoios said:
Toph hasn't lavebending, gaara's shields are powerful and fast enough to proctect him from ordinaty lava .Gaara takes this (the deathbattle forgot one main factor... speed)
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i know, this is why i said "if" ^_^

btw, the problem isnt that gaaras sand is fast enough, if toph had lavabending she could have turned the sand of gaara into lava, even the one on his skin :) (but of course if we exclude speedblitzing :D )
 
It is inknown if she can manipulate gaara's sand ,because of his own chakra and his mother's will.
 
Kkapoios said:
It is inknown if she can manipulate gaara's sand ,because of his own chakra and his mother's will.
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lets assume that she can since i dont see why chakra or "will" would change it, afterall the sand turns into lava, technically his chakra wont control it in that state and the mothers will also seems to only work via sand :)

@dragon

but toph isnt attacking like a firebender, she is controlling the state of the sand, it wouldnt matter how hard gaara compresses it, it should still become lava ^_^
 
his chakra will prevent her from bending his sand ,also why do we even discuss this she doesn't have lava bending
 
Kkapoios said:
his chakra will prevent her from bending his sand ,also why do we even discuss this she doesn't have lava bending
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why? in the fight of bolin vs kuzan the earht whihc bolin used for attack got turned into lava too and was no longer usable for bolin, why do we assume it wouldnt work by gaaras sand?
 
His chakra binds the sand to his will ,so even if she can manipulate his sand it's going to be difficult, but still gaara has the edge on every stat ,Attack potency, durability and speed.

And also it doesn't matter since we are talking about an ability toph doesn't have.

Gaara takes this easy-mid difficulty.
 
Natse said:
Just so you know, Toph absolutely can't learn lavabending since it's a firebending technique. The next best thing she has is metalbending but she doesn't display knowledge of bending stuff like Mercury until Korra.
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is the first time i heard this, how can bolin or kuzan use lavabending if it belongs to fire...

@kkapoios

toph would mostlikely not control the movement of the sand (like kuzan never controlled the movement of boling earth attacks) but mostlikely could change sand into lava which negates the control of gaara, and with the sand shield on him he would be burned to death :D but yeah, he overhelms in the other fields...
 
GreatestSin said:
is the first time i heard this, how can bolin or kuzan use lavabending if it belongs to fire...
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I'm wrong. Sorry about that.

I can say though that lavabending wasn't even a thing until Korra so if we're going by ATLA Toph, then she doesn't have that ability yet.
 
Natse said:
I can say though that lavabending wasn't even a thing until Korra so if we're going by ATLA Toph, then she doesn't have that ability yet.
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im aware of that :) it is simply under the assumption that she has the abilitys ^_^ (otherwise i wont see a way for her to even have a way to do anything against gaara)
 
Death battle making Toph wins for no real realson (she can't bend the chakra infused sand). And trying to "demonstrate" she can somehow "see" Gaara even if he flies (and is not on the ground anymore) which is freaking ridiculous because she obviously is using "shockwaves" produced by steps (for example) to "see" things so it needs to be on the ground (proof: she can hear a human heart, and that's how she knows when someone is lying (via vibrations produced by the heart)). So this proves she can only see things who actually ARE on the ground to see them.

And this also proves how biased they're. I mean when it's anime character, you can be sure their hatred of anime in general will often make them severely "downgrade" anime characters in favor of their opponents.
 
1. Why are people under the assumption that Gaara's sand can't be controlled? Has that ever been a factor in naruto? Someone give me a link of someone trying to control Gaara's sand and failed. Otherwise that would be like someone saying Toph can lavabend just because she's the greastest earth bender in the world, she's familiar with the art, and her ability to bend even small traces of earth. Something that can't be proven or disproven.


2. Toph being able to sense earth off the ground IS canon, and proven in the show. She has fended off against plenty of Earthy projectiles whether she's on the ground, or in sea or air( as long as her foot's on anything that she can bend). However when it came to none earthy things, whether it be people, animals, objects, she could not. Also if her foot is not on anything earthly, she wouldn't be able to see anything at all. Gaara always have sand either on him, or near him, and the death battle takes place on the ground, so she would be able to see him at nearly all times. Also keep in mind, unlike her daughter, who only uses the seismeic sense when she needs to look for things her eyes can't, Toph is blind. Seismec sense isn't just used when she fight, it's how she navigates her surroundings. There's no off switch. She doesn't need to do anything except keep her feet planted on earth, to use it. In a fight, everything will be giving off vibrations just from their interaction with the evirmonent during it.


3.With all that being said, Gaara wins purely on speed feats. His sand are at hypersonic speeds, far faster than anything shown in the Avatar world. And while due to her fighting style Toph uses noticably less movement than other earth benders to bend element, she still needs movement. There's nothing that says that Toph can earth bend quicker than Gaara can attack with sand. I agree with SA saying that Toph has the capability to manipulate Gaara's sand, but that soley depends on how fast she can do it before his sand strikes, and she can't. At best Toph can compete speed wise with low rank ninjas. Gaara is far above that.
 
In one episode (ep 30) Toph was in a desert and she says she couldn't "see" normally, via vibrations on the floor. She said everything on the sand was "fuzzy" for her. So basically she couldn't really "feel" Gaara's presence. Besides, Toph is a earth bender and a metal bender, not a sand bender. She tried to sand bend when the library was about to be buried in the sand of the de sert but failed, so in any circumstance, she cannot control Gaara's sand or feel it (or imperfectly becauseit's not earth, stone or metal).


If you don't belive me: watch the episode: http://***************/avatar-the-last-airbender-episode-30-english-dubbed

at 13 min 00 she said everything on the sand is fuzzy for her.

And at 18 min 28 she failed when she somehow tried her power on the sand.
 
The speed difference is far too great for Toph to overcome. That being said I am not sure why people assume Toph can control gaara's sand. Toph's control comes from utilizing chi wheras Gaara's control comes from utilizing chakra. in order to prove Toph can bend his sand you would have to prove why chi-control overrides chakra-control. Do we have any such proof? Finally I am not sure where this lava bending nonsense comes from-Toph has not shown any lava bending feats in ATLA or LoK.
 
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