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| Conceptual Gods and Yukari |
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| From Curiosities in Lotus Asia Chapter 15. Rinnosuke describes what a "name" is: "In the beginning, nothing in this world had a name. It was a world in which all things were mixed together in chaos. However, the gods in those ancient times gave a name to every last thing, and so the orderly world we see today was born. When naming something, a new border is created that makes it recognizable as one thing. You could say that the power to name is the creation to produce the object from nothingness, clearly the same power as a god's. And because of the strength of this power, the things themselves remember their names. And that's why I can see those names in them." "When his name changed to Takemikazuchi, he changed from a god of sorcery (as implied by the 'pot' character) to a god of swordsmanship (implied by the 'thunder' character). By changing its name, a god changes its nature" "Not having a name means that this animal wasn't distincted from others; it just blended in with the world. You couldn't say it was stone, bone, soil or animal; it just was. It was something close to a god's original form." An object's name defines what it is. It defines its characteristics. An object without a "name" can still exist, but it doesn't exist as anything sensible. It just is. The world before names existed was pure chaos with no distinction between each others, while giving names to things made them fully separate entities from each others. This implies that by giving a "name" to something, you create the concept of said thing. This has two implications for Gods and possibly one for Yukari. As stated above, Gods were the first one to name everything. Thus, they have limited Conceptual Manipulation in the form of creating concepts. This is specifically stated to be a power of the gods. Secondly, it is also mentioned that gods existed before they started to name things, and most of them existed as nameless things without identity. As they precede concepts and can exist without it (in fact a lot of them do not even have concepts even to this day), this means that they shall gain resistance against Conceptual Manipulation. For Yukari, the "border" mentioned by Rinnosuke is very similar to the Borders being able to be manipulated by Yukari. This would imply that Yukari can mess with the border of the things defined by their concepts, implying conceptual manipulation. |
| Low Godly Youkai (And other Youkai Shenanigans) |
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| It is stated that not only do Youkai possess high levels of Regenerationn, that it is the point where even physical weapons of any kind are useless against them, requiring spiritual weaponry to be efficient. Additionally, it's stated that the core of a youkai, is not their physical body but their "mind". Not only this, but most youkai don't show fear of death, since they will simply be "reborn", and if they can't, they'll turn into a phantom, further supporting the idea that physical damage is nearly useless against youkai. This would mean that, barring Rinnosuke, all youkai (Even Patchy and Alice) and half youkai (In this case, Keine and Kagerou) receive Low-Godly Regenerationn against physical attacks. This would also apply to the beast youkai, as despite their difficulty regenerating their bodies if they're destroyed, they can still do so. Difficult =/= Impossible. However, the only person that's shown Regenerationn even to spiritual attacks, is the vampires. They will remain Low High in terms of spiritual Regenerationn. Low-High spiritual regen for Remi (and her sister), and Low-Godly physical for all the Youkai. Finally, it should be noted a lack of faith or fear won't instantly kill a youkai, since it seems they'd grow weaker/hungry over time, and eventually starve, so it is not applicable in direct combat. |
| Mindhax Resistance and Moon Shenanigans |
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| "Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be somethin' up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more mind-blowin' than that. You can almost never see the real moon, 'cause its appearance is deadly to humans. You can only see the moon's reflection. And the things that make reflections, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? So since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, all you gotta do is tear the heavens apart!" In Bohemian Archive in Japanese Archive, Suika talks about the True Moon, and how humans are not able to look at it due to the known lunacy it emits. However, for Suika, this is not the case. Since Oni arean't that much different from other youkai (aside from strength), and other youkai (like Alice, Yukari, and Remilia) have displayed this feat before, all Youkai, including the magicians, would get resistance to mind manipulation (Literally, youkai will hold festivals on Full Moon days). In Imperishable Night, all of the playable teams are able to gaze at the true Moon when Eirin unveiled it without going nuts. This scales to them too. Remilia, Yuyuko, and Youmu, all of whom don't seem to have it. Additionally, those from the Lunar Capital literally live on the True Moon without any adverse effects. So all the Lunarians and such scale as well. |
| Protag Soul Manipulation |
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| The TD protags, after killing enemies, are able to collect Divine Spirits (and kill spirits/phantoms) for various uses, such as Trance. This gives all of them a minor degree of soul manipulation. In DDC and LoLK, the feat can also be done, as spirits (or in this case phantoms) appear in those games too, so Sakuya and Reisen receive this ability too. |
| Eirin is a god |
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| Although her IN profile says that she is a Lunarian, Eirin might actually be a god. Not only is it implied that she is Omoikane, but it is stated (such as in this interview: "My thought is that the Lunar Capital is where the highest, noblest gods live. On the other hand, Gensokyo is where the more friendly, indigenous gods live. I figured that there are factions even among gods. Eirin is one of them, which is why she isn't interacting with the other humans after she moved to Gensokyo."), that she is indeed, a deity. Although this seems to be disputed, seeing as her IN profile states that she is Lunarian in species, but this could be a retcon (Or simply her demonym). So, I propose this be added to her powers/abilites: Likely has: Non-Corporeal and Duplication, Immortality (Types 4 in addition to 1 and 3), Limited Conceptual Manipulation and Resistance to it. |
- All gods will receive limited Conceptual Manipulation and Resistance to it. Yukari's limited concept manipulation will get bumped up to full blown Concept.
- Remilia and Flandre keep Low High regen to spiritual attacks; all Youkai and Keine and Kagerou will receive Low Godly to physical attacks.
- All youkai, and playable characters in Imperishable Night, as well as those from the Lunar Capital will receive resistance to mind manipulation.
- The playable characters of TD, DDC, and LoLK (Reimu, Marisa, Sanae, Youmu, Sakuya, Reisen) receive Soul manipulation.
- Eirin may receive: Non-Corporeal and Duplication, Immortality (Types 4 in addition to 1 and 3), Limited Conceptual Manipulation and Resistance to it, due to being stated to be a god.
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