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Infinite Zamasu Tier and Hax discussion

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Okay so in Episode 67 Zamasu's essence was spreading throughout the Universe, Overriding it's law & order and becoming the very Universe itself. Not only that but he was spilling into the other timelines and affect it. So here's my question:-

1)Shouldn't Infinite Zamasu be "Low 2-C, 2-C overtime" instead of just "Low 2-C" seeing as how he was spilling into the Main Timeline (maybe in other timelines too) and could've spread into it if not stopped?

2)Shouldn't he have

•Reality Manipulation/Law Manipulation (He became one with the Universe and was overriding it's law and was becoming Justice itself)

•Space-Time Manipulation (for becoming one with the Universe and even appearing in the past of the main Timeline)

•Energy Projection (Decimated the surface of the earth with a Barrage of energy blasts)

•Type 8 Immortality (For becoming one with the Universe and hence would logically exist as long as the Universe exists)
 
Those are some good points you brought up. I'll give my thoughts on them too.

1) Agreed. Since he was considered a threat for the entire future timeline as Zeno wiped out all of it and how he was spreading into other timeline affecting the present(as Beerus said), it is acceptable that he would've become 2-C eventually.

2)

- The part of him overriding its law is there on his page and Gowasu also stated it. So yes, he should have reality manipulation via merging with the universe.

- It's also written on his profile that he was affecting space-time so I agree with space-time manipulation as well.

- ummmm Energy projection is already listed under his powers and abilities, right?

- I think him being non-corporeal and two infinities above Goku, Vegeta and Trunks already takes care of that. So I disagree with immunity to physical attacks.

- Type 8 immortality is actually a good point. Although I think it's useless since he already has type 1 and 2 and type 3 and 4 to some extent. But I guess there is no harm in adding that too. It changes nothing.
 
1) Was only spreading into the current timeline because of the "carbon footprint" Trunks' time machine leaves. So Low 2-C is just fine enough.

2)

  • First part of the sentence is already covered in the nigh-omnipresence and that he's tier 2. Second part of the sentence is hyperbole.
  • See 1) and the first part of the first bullet.
  • How he doesn't have this already is beyond me.
  • Pretty sure non-corporeality is already on his profile
  • Doesn't work like that, no. No omnipresent gets type 8 immortality solely out of being omnipresent.
 
Energy projection isn't listed in the Infinite Zamasu key. Just Non Corporeality, Intangiblity and Fusionism.
 
Okay. I just checked it too. That should be an honest mistake though.

EDIT: So if no omnipresent gets type 8 immortality, it's only fair that Infinite Zamasu doesn't get it too. Otherwise every omnipresent would get type 8 immortality. Tbf, I am okay with both these notions. Either all omnipresents get type 8 or nobody does.
 
He already have Energy Projection listed in his previous form, his new key/form just to give him new ability that he doesn't possess in his previous key/form.
 
They have "All previous abilities, additionaly ......."

In case of Infinite Zamasu, there is no such thing as "All previous abilities, additionally ..."
 
ÔÇóHow is it hyperbole when he was literally becoming one with the Universe itself by fusing his essence with it. Logically he should be able to control reality or laws of the Universe.

ÔÇóYes he went through the "Carbon Footprint" but he went through Time without the aid of Time Machine or Time Ring. He is listed as Omnipresent via eventually becoming one with his Universe's Space-Time but he still went to another timeline in the Past. So Time manipulation/Travel should be there.

ÔÇóI never said he gets Type 8 immortality based on Omnipresence. I said he gets it via being the Universe itself. And being Omnipresent doesn't necessarily mean you have to be one with the Universe. Ajimu has Omnipresence via Alibi Blocks but still she isn't one with the Universe.
 
his previous abilities are there, it's redundant to list black's ability to tear space time and multiply himself as he is pretty much doing that and low 2-C attacks achieve the same effect by default.

additionally if he could travel through the path of the time machine that means he could follow people across timelines much like black.
 
@Kaltias yes but he was leaking into the main Timeline and would've fused with it too. Plus if you say he came from Trunks's timeline via the "Time Machine Carbon Footprint" then he would also be able to spread into Cell's timeline (The one cell came) after fusing with the Main Timeline and using the Time Machine Carbon Footprint to Cell's Timeline. It would eventually make him 2-C overtime as all the Alt Timelines in the verse seems to have been created due to Time Travel and hence they are linked with each other via "Time Machine Carbon Footprint"
 
The footprint doesn't remain forever...

An analogy. Fusion Zamasu's omnipresent state and its relation to time travel is a lot like a living being and blood. Zamasu is the blood, while time is the body. Like the blood, Zamasu makes up the body of the universe on a spatiotemporal level. The time machine would be like a knife that cuts the body, or in this case the universe. As long as that cut is open, the blood can leak from the body into other things, but once it's closed off, it's secluded again.
 
technically if he is merging with space-time he can access the footprints even if they dissappeared as he'd exist in the past when they were created

I however don't think it's sufficent evidenceto warrant a 2-C rating as it'd be entirely reliant on outside factors.
 
@RealCalHoward exactly but that would essentially make him 2-C overtime because of his Fusionism ability. And I agree with @AguilaR101. What I'm basically saying here is that Zamasu should have a "2-C Overtime" mention along with his Low 2-C key.
 
I'll just say that if this comes to pass, a note specifying no one gets scaled to the latter is mandatory, as all the comparisons to his power were made before he could become 2-C.
 
AguilaR101 said:
I'll just say that if this comes to pass, a note specifying no one gets scaled to the latter is mandatory, as all the comparisons to his power were made before he could become 2-C.
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Yes, that is kinda obvious.

I agree with "Low 2-C, would eventually become 2-C" or "Low 2-C, 2-C overtime". I also agree with Reality Manipulation and Space-time Manipulation via merging with the universe.

I am okay with whatever is decided about type 8 immortality.
 
would immortality type 8 serve something? I mean, all the Universe Busters can get out of it OvO anyway, I do not know about the capacity included, at best put "possibly" on the profile
 
Fusion Zamasu never became 2-C since he only became Omnipresent in U7 [Which should remove the Unknown speed on the profile], his presence affected other timelines, but he never became one with them and i disagree with adding said resistancies.
 
I was talking about "2-C overtime via spreading into other Timelines eventually". No one said anything about Resistances?? Just a couple of Haxes that should come with him for becoming the Universe itself.
 
I agree with the "Low 2-C would've eventually became 2-C". Im okay if it is rejected since its just a small addition.
 
Zamasu was destroyed before he became 2-C, this is basically adding an ipotetical 2-C state.
 
@Dark

We have several characters with tiers they would hypothetically get if they won/weren't stopped. This is no different.
 
Because they would done have things with their own power like Vegeta going to planet bust, but i only saw Zamasu spreading in one universe and then getting erased before he could completely override another universe.
 
I have to agree with Ever here, this is just another hypothetical case where Zamasu would've become 2-C overtime if he was allowed to completely leak to other universes of his timeline as well as other timelines.

"Low 2-C, would eventually become 2-C" sounds good.
 
Leviathan had that power and was capable of unleashing it while Lavos fought against a High 2-A chrono cross.

Zamasu was erased before he could become 2-C, better examples Ever?.
 
Yes, it was discussed many times and rejected, it's strange that suddenly a lot of users agrees with it.
 
there are many examples on both sides but if this is accepted, it will be expected to profiles "Overtime" so IDK
 
@Dark

Nope. Back when it was accepted it was because as her witch form she would eventually surpass Ultimate Madoka, if it wasn't because she died when she was 5-B. We discovered that she actually did it only about a week ago
 
Well i have no problem with someone having the hidden potential to surpass Madoka, but not for someone who was stopped before becoming 2-C.
 
The method for UKG becoming 2-A was bascially the same as Zamasu

Also, Bill Cipher was also stopped before he became Tier 1 (Back before tier 1 was debunked) and we still had it.
 
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