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Scorpion vs Samurai Jack

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Fight takes place in the Netherrealm, unless it would be fairer elsewhere.

Win via KO, incapacitation, or death. SPEED EQUALIZED


Scorpion: 2 (DMUA, Myriadofmemes)

Jack: 8 (MrKingOfNegativity, Unite My Rice, Noahkaismith, Jordanbairdcreaturemaster97, Js250476, Gargoyle One, The Everlasting, AKM sama)

Inconclusive: 0

Mortal kombat x ios scorpion render 2 by wyruzzah-d8p0m11
Samurai jack vetor by igorrechenberg-d7ncc6a
 
Oh boy, this is good. Samurai Jack has dealt with fire welders before, so this isn't anything new to him. Jack seems to be on a higher end of 7-B, and it is in character for him to finish the fight as fast as he can. My vote is for Jack.
 
He will inevitably due to the revision thread and debating here just wastes time now.

Also Jack is 7C, not 7B
 
Pretty sure Jack smokes him.

For all intents and purposes, Scorpion is evil by Samurai Jack standards. Jack's sword ignores durability against evil beings, so any one strike is fatal.

Add to that Jack's higher combat experience and far more impressive feats VS Scorpion's scaling. He quite literally took on all of the most skilled fighters in his verse's history (in spirit form) and won handily, and he defeated Mad Jack, who had all of his same skills, abilities and traits. His stamina is also ridiculous, so he's certainly not going to be the one tiring before one of them dies.
 
Hang on now. Current Scorpion isn't getting downgraded. Only 'Elder Gods' Champion' Scorpion is.

Base Scorpion directly scales to Restricted Raiden. The people in the thread already discussed that.
 
Unite My Rice said:
Jacko for reasons above (didn't know about the evil thing)
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Yeah I'm skeptical about that part as well. I know I'm not allowed to vote but I don't know on what grounds Scorpion would be considered evil in Jack's universe. Also his teleportation, the fact he can just respawn in the Netherrealm, and how he is constantly gaining power while in the Netherrealm could all give him an edge. I know the last two can be seen as NLF.
 
Considering this is Scorpion and not Hanzo:

  • He's completely demonic in nature, with his powers coming from MK's equivalent to Hell
  • He's driven almost exclusively by revenge and hatred, and only really snaps out of this when in his Hanzo Hasashi persona
  • He's fully willing to mutilate people with no remorse afterwards, and actively tries to kill more heroic characters like Sonya Blade, Johnny Cage and Sub-Zero. (Kuai Liang)
I'd say he'd be considered evil in Jack's world.

Even then, Scorpion really isn't bringing anything Jack hasn't seen before. Fire manip? The Lava Monster had that. Teleportation? Demongo had that. Clones? Jack got ambushed by multiple bounty hunters attacking him from all sides and still came out on top, and survived a fight against Ashi and her sisters simultaneously without even being able to use his sword. All Scorpion has here is his constantly rising power, which isn't going to do much against a guy who can cut him down in a single swing no matter how much stronger he gets. (His sword has harmed the likes of Aku, so...)
 
I mean, unless I'm forgetting something (which I might be, admittedly), Scorpion's hellfire hasn't shown any special properties beyond being able to burn beings on his own level. It could probably hurt Jack, but it's not like it'll soulfuck him or anything.

Jack's blade is also a holy relic by nature (being forged by gods and all), so the weapon itself should be able to withstand Scorpion's hellfire. Doesn't necessarily translate to its wielder being immune to it, but still.
 
Should also mention that Jack can boost his power by calling upon his ancestors, so he could most likely do that in order to compensate should Scorpion grow too strong for him at some point.
 
Also, going by just their standard equipment, Scorpion also seems to have the range advantage as well as slightly more options in terms of weaponry. I've not watched SJ all the way through yet so I don't know how similar Demongo's teleportation is to Scorpion's but if they work differently it doesn't seem fair to assume Jack could deal with Scorp's just because he has fought someone who also had teleportation.
 
Doesn't really work differently at all, though. Demongo was even using/abusing his teleport in order to avoid Jack's swings for a while. Jack's difficulty in that fight didn't even come from Demongo's ability to teleport, either; it came from A) summoning spam, and B) flight capabilities which Demongo abused in order to stay out of sword range while he was summoning enemies for Jack to fight. Context made it rather apparent that Jack would have outmatched him up close even with the teleportation abilities.

Scorpion only has better range with his spear, which he only really uses to close the distance between himself/his foes and rarely ever flings at people from its absolute maximum range. Him having more weapons options also depends on whether or not Jack's items from Season 5 are restricted. Even then, all he would have by comparison is the aforementioned spear and two swords, neither of which Jack would have much trouble dealing with, seeing as the overwhelming majority of his fights have been against opponents with similar weapons.
 
Additionally, while Jack may have fought people similar to Scorpion, the vice versa can be said with characters like Kenshi.
 
@Myriad:

1. It's not in his character to do that. Teleporting and striking from multiple angles, yes. Teleporting and spamming projectiles from afar, no.

2. Scorpion doesn't even have fireballs. He has limited-range fire breath, the ability to summon flames underneath people, and the ability to coat his body and his spear in fire for damage. Not even remotely the same thing.

3. Range was already discussed. The only thing that gives him higher range is his spear, which (in a non-gameplay scenario) can be dodged and struck down similarly to how Jack has done other spears and chain-weapons in the past.

@Starry:

Kenshi doesn't have the same level of stamina, tactics or combat experience that Jack does, nor does he have a sword which negates durability. By contrast, Jack has fought characters far older/more experienced than Scorpion as well as characters with extremely similar weapons, abilities and tactics across his series.
 
It is in character. Scorpion is an assassin, not a martial artist. Do not mistake game mechanics for In character fighting. Just because he is constantly put in situations where he needs to resort to close combat doesn't mean that he should have to act this way here too.

Also Scorpion has had fireballs throughout the years as well as many other projectiles that Jack has to deal with.

Lastly, as a spectre from hell, scorpion has nigh-Infinite stamina. It's only a matter of time before Jack loses.
 
Scorpion: 2 (DMUA, Myriadofmemes)

Jack: 3 (MrKingOfNegativity, Unite My Rice, Noahkaismith)

Inconclusive: 0
 
Not mistaking game mechanics for anything. His history of encounters in-story has shown a preference for fighting characters up-close. His fight against Bi-Han? His fight against the Deadly Alliance? All three of his fights against Raiden? His combined assault on Liu Kang alongside Quan Chi? There were many opportunities in all of those for him to teleport away and fight from afar, and he didn't.

And even if Scorpion of the current timeline has fireballs, those are nothing that Jack hasn't seen before. Aku had those and they were only a minor inconvenience to Jack during their fights, and he had eye beams which Jack was also able to deal with rather easily. It's very safe to assume that Scorpion isn't taking him out at a distance.
 
Not really, all of those fighters have equal or, the majority of them in fact, superior long ranged capabilities, so forsaking close combat would be detrimental against them. Furthermore, those still play out that way due to the format of the game and it's mechanics. Not because of Scorpions tendency to fight in melee. Again he was an assassin first and foremost.

As for Jack managing to deal with projectiles, they're in the same tier. He'll get hit eventually and it'll hurt. After a while he'll wear down.
 
He has no reason to assume Jack has inferior ranged capabilities to his own, especially if the latter's S5 equipment isn't restricted. No prior knowledge here, and there's nothing else to suggest that he would play some sort of ranged game. It's fallacious to assume that he would resort to a strategy that he hasn't used in the majority of his fights before.

Aku is Country level and Jack was still able to deal with his ranged powers. He's even blocked the latter's eye beams with his sword before, and was more than capable of avoiding his fireballs and fire breath. That he's actually beaten Aku on numerous occasions despite his range advantage and far superior AP should reinforce the argument that Scorpion's ranged attacks aren't going to be enough to win this.
 
Yyyeah, there's no PIS to protect Jack here. If Scorpion stays on him for long enough he should win.

I really don't like your train of thought on that first part, I feel like it sort of disregards common sense. The first moment that Scorpion sees Jack, a man with a sword. dressed as a ronin he won't think: "This guy's definitely a master wizard, better charge right at him". There's no reason for Scorpion not to open up on someone looking like that with ranged and quickly find out that that Jack is lacking in the ranged department.
 
Except that Jack isn't dressed as a ronin by Season 5. He wears armor, carries firearms and rides a motorcycle for a good portion of the season.

Even then, the above argument also seems to be disregarding the fact that most of the projectile-wielding characters in MK aren't dressed like 'master wizards' or anything either. All of the blatant ninja characters in the series have ranged attacks, Kenshi has telekinesis, and even mundane characters like Sonya Blade and the movie star Johnny Cage are capable of utilizing ranged attacks. What exactly makes you think Scorpion is going to assume anything here before the two have spent any time fighting?

And no, Jack beating Aku isn't PIS, considering A) it happens regularly in the series, and B) the main factors which allow him to win against such a powerful being are the aforementioned durability-negating sword and his own raw combat skill. In both cases, Aku frequently makes attempts to separate Jack from his sword in order to gain the upper hand, and in Season 5 where Aku succeeds in doing so, Jack outright knows that he doesn't stand a chance against him until he gets it back.
 
Yes King that was spot on way better then the usual reasoning I've seen here also Jack for reasons above
 
I assumed that Jack would be dressed in his normal clothes for a good reason. If the fact that the vast majority of the show passed by with him dressed in those clothes isn't enough, the fact that the OP decided to use a picture of him with his normal attire should have been more than enough for you to not to have to raise this argument.

On occasion Scorpion will certainly be proven wrong that if he thinks that opponents don't have a way to fight back at long ranges simply becauses of the way they look. Just like common sense will sometimes prove to be wrong too. That doesn't mean that he shouldn't practice it.

Jack beating Aku isn't simply PIS, I'd go so far as to say that it's a straight up gag. They even addressed it one time talking about how he'd usually fly away at that point shouting his catchphrase. The creators even opted in to not have Aku for the majority of season 5 and when they did, Jack had his sword again anyways and the end result was still the same. It's definitive PIS.
 
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