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Just an honest question. (DBS - Goku and Jiren)

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So, in the last two episodes of DBS, Goku and Jiren were both stated to be making the entirety of the World of Void, a place stated to be an "infinite realm of nothingness," tremble or shake. Does this qualify them for a "possibly higher," addendum to their 3-A forms? I'm not directly suggesting a High 3-A upgrade, but now that they are presumably on a higher level than the Gods of Destruction, wouldn't it somewhat make sense? I'm not trying to cause controversy or anything, but it seems like a valid question to be asking.
 
I haven't watched the subs yet, So there was a direct statement about making the WHOLE void shake?
 
Direct statements say Jiren = God of Destruction level. Even if the feat makes them stronger, the gods would scale along with them.
 
Alright. But I'm wondering where the OP got the idea that the Whole void shaked, If there was a statement, than I can see why. But I don't know if there is or not.
 
Giygas3 said:
I haven't watched the subs yet, So there was a direct statement about making the WHOLE void shake?
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The official, legal subs say this, yes.


(Edit: For anyone thinking that Krillin stated this, go back and watch 110 on one of the legal sites which are currently hosting it, and you'll find that it's Elder Kaioshin who states this, not Krillin, he's merely on screen, mouth agape listening to the gods discuss what's happening before Goku reappears in his new Ultra Instinct form.)

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This is right before Goku's new form, "Ultra Instinct," was revealed, and it was a direct quote from Elder Kaioshin. The same was stated about Jiren when he first reveals his ki.
 
Oh... I see. That in theory, would require an infinite amount of energy. However, it's unlikely we would accept it.
 
Why is it unlikely? If anything, it's more a reason for a possibly higher rating than a direct High 3-A upgrade.

Additionally. Yes, other characters would scale, such as Daishinkan.
 
Because anything that talks about infinity or "endless" tend to be hyperbolic, especially with the current wording (Written in a more poetic style than matter-of-fact).
 
Because, it sounds somewhat ridiculous to say everyone in the World of the Void has infinite power. However, I'd be fine with 3-A to Possibly High 3-A (If the Statement was to be taken to Face Value)

Edit: Saikou made a pretty good case, for why it wouldn't be accepted.
 
Except that it's stated twice, which, again, I believe would warrant a possibly higher scenario quicker than an actual upgrade.
 
Not everyone in the World of Void *does* have infinite power, and I doubt Goku + Jiren do either, it's mostly more that they BOTH affected on a large scale a realm which is stated to be infinite in size.

Edit: Since the Elder Kaioshin was the one to state this, should his statements about Goku + Beerus power being universal be taken with a grain of salt as well?
 
Which again, would require an infinite amount of energy to accomplish. And I'm fairly certain Jiren isn't an infinite amount of times stronger than everyone else. Same reason for why I mainly disagreed with Upgrading Beerus to Low 2-C, awhile back.

Edit: Difference being, One requires a finite amount of energy (if we use the low end of the feat) Compared to an Infinite amount of energy feat.
 
I agree, which is why I lean more toward the "3-A, possibly higher," scenario than the other. Although, hypothetically, one could technically argue that it is possible that Jiren *does* have infinite power, since the gods of U11 were fairly certain he could defeat every other person in the tournament, with Belmod stating "No one can beat him at all". (Yes, I am aware of NLF, I am just saying that it could potentially be argued.)
 
If they are multiple statement, while clearing being shown shaking everything, than I would personally be fine with "3-A, possibily higher." However, I still don't see this going through.
 
I think it depends, honestly. They don't scale to the GoDs anymore, since it is heavily implied that they surpassed that level of power, calling Goku's Ultra Instinct form a, "power even the gods fear", as well as Whis stating the, "rumor about a mortal stronger than the gods," (in relation to Jiren) was true. However, we don't know the full extent of either of their power, just that they were capable of affecting the entirety of a realm stated to be infinite in size, as well as them being leagues above potentially everyone else in the tournament, who are all around the 3-A level. Thus, I thought that if properly explained enough, there could be a sufficiently strong case to make for a "Possibly higher," rating, but I would not hope for a High 3-A rating in any case until more feats are displayed.
 
Therefir said:
What power you need to shake a void
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It's not just a void, it's an infinite world (world as in realm) of nothingness.

Possibly infinite, but it's inconclusive. Hence my argument for a "3-A, possibly higher," addendum.
 
Aeyu said:
Therefir said:
What power you need to shake a void
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It's not just a void, it's an infinite world (world as in realm) of nothingness.
Possibly infinite, but it's inconclusive. Hence my argument for a "3-A, possibly higher," addendum.
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I think that should be 3-A, possibly High 3-A (they were shaking the entire world of void, who is infinite in size)?
 
That addendum would need to address the fact that they are superior to the Gods of Destruction, as well as redefining Daishinkan's tier, as he is most probably superior to that level. I'm still hesitant to a blatant High 3-A though, and I think a "possibly higher," rating would be more palatable to staff and users alike.
 
Aeyu said:
That addendum would need to address the fact that they are superior to the Gods of Destruction, as well as redefining Daishinkan's tier, as he is most probably superior to that level. I'm still hesitant to a blatant High 3-A though, and I think a "possibly higher," rating would be more palatable to staff and users alike.
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That would mean that gods of destructions are High 3-A right?

It is something curious, but I was thinking that the spirit bomb had become a black hole.
 
Not necessarily. Goku and Jiren are likely STRONGER than the Gods of Destruction, hence their higher rating. Still, raising anyone to High 3-A is controversial, and so I again think that a possibly higher rating would be more conducive, at least at this point.

And yeah, I noticed that too, but it's unquantifiable unfortunately.
 
I could see this finally taking Goku to Tier 2... Depending on how it progresses.

It's at the very least a really good 3-A feat.
 
Tier 2? How would that get him up to Low 2-C? o: Just out of curiosity, I'm not denying the veracity of that.

But yes, I definitely agree, which is why the, "possibly higher," thing makes sense, at least to me.
 
Because I think that threatening to destroy and "infinite void" which is effectively a universe with a different time and space to it" would definitely be Low 2-C.
 
Tier 2 Goku would be useless, almost everyone and their mothers have at least reality warping in tier 2.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Because I think that threatening to destroy and "infinite void" which is effectively a universe with a different time and space to it" would definitely be Low 2-C.
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I never thought of that, but now that you mention it, it kind of really does seem possible.

Maybe a "At least 3-A, possibly Low 2-C," rating?
 
Sir Ovens said:
Tier 2 Goku would be useless, almost everyone and their mothers have at least reality warping in tier 2.
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Maybe it would be useless, but we can't denied feats like this because of that.

There are some low 2-C who are glass cannon.
 
High 3-A definitely seems more plausible than Low 2-C, but either could technically be valid, especially with Low 2-C having an infinite range within it. As in, they could have that rating and still not be comparable to Infinite Zamasu, for instance.
 
So, if Goku's new form and Jiren are confirmed to be GoD level.

Then this would probably mean that Beerus and the like would also be upgraded and such.

And Low 2-C Grand Priest gains more credence. OVO
 
It certainly all seems valid for once, and the higher beings would indeed scale.

Wouldn't the Grand Priest's rating possibly be even higher, since we aren't 100% sure on his exact capabilities? That has always struck me as somewhat odd.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
So, if Goku's new form and Jiren are confirmed to be GoD level.
Then this would probably mean that Beerus and the like would also be upgraded and such.

And Low 2-C Grand Priest gains more credence. OVO
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Yeah, since in the episode whis said that Jiren is in the levels of the gods, and goku can match him with his new transformation, but he run out of time and lose
 
Therefir said:
Matthew Schroeder said:
So, if Goku's new form and Jiren are confirmed to be GoD level.
Then this would probably mean that Beerus and the like would also be upgraded and such.

And Low 2-C Grand Priest gains more credence. OVO
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Yeah, since in the episode whis said that Jiren is in the levels of the gods, and goku can match him with his new transformation, but he run out of time and lose
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Add that to the fact that the gods were literally all in fear of Goku's newfound power. (Can provide scans if needed)
 
Knightofannihilation666 said:
Why does low 2-C Goku sound scary?
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Doesn't sound scary, I (and I'm sure others) are just not sure if it scales to that level.
 
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