Zygarde vs Cell

[Luciano_esporas]

The Kalos's Watcher vs The Mr. Perfect Bug Man

 

[BlastX]

This is now possible

 

[Spinoirr]

wow

 

[Zeifyl]

Doesn't Zygarde kinda... AP stomp (Way above 1 MegaFOE vs almost 1.1 KiloFOE)? Or does Cell's regen and Zenkais let him keep up?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Can Zygarde attack on the Cellular Level?

 

[Akreious]

Paralysis Inducement can probably work...? I guess?

Otherwise I don't think Zygarde can bypass Cell's Regen so eventually Cell just gets strong enough to reverse the battle and murder Zygarde.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

That's kinda what I was thinking.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Regen stomp then. Great.

 

[Akreious]

"Glare: Transfixes the enemy with terrifying sharp eyes, frightening it into paralysis."

Okay well, beyond my many MANY questions on how the hell this is supposed to work on Cell, I don't think this actually stops Cell from fighting since Goku (At least in the anime) was put into a coma cast and was still able to move water around and such with his Ki, plus the obvious Ki attacks such as Kiai that doesn't require you to move at all.

Is there any other way for Zygarde to bypass Low-High?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Unless Zygarde can attack on the Cellular Level or greater than he's kinda screwed.

 

[Schnee_One]

Any reason this doesn't go the same way as Doomsday vs Cell?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

At least Cell can eventually kill Zygarde.

 

[Akreious]

Any reason this doesn't go the same way as Doomsday vs Cell?

Doesn't Doomsday have the whole shtick where they will always come back resistant/immune to the thing that killed them?

 

[Schnee_One]

Well yeah but that had nothing to do with the Cell fight, that would just make it Incon

It was closed because it was agreed Doomsday can just bypass through sheer AP

 

[Akreious]

Well yeah but that had nothing to do with the Cell fight, that would just make it Incon
It was closed because it was agreed Doomsday can just bypass through sheer AP

Yeah, there's a thread on Cell's Regen being overwhelmed by sheer AP. Basically the thread died once people started agreeing that Cell's Regen was overwhelmed because sufficiently strong-enough Ki can vaporize targets; it's not as much the actual force but more an aspect of Ki. I think an example is Saber's Excaliblast. It's why Buu has Mid-High Regen (Regenerated from being vaporized) and, logically, why Cell's Low-High was overwhelmed (Ki blasts can Vaporize)

Other staff input (Or people with coloured names I guess) says "Trying to put a Value on how much force you need to overwhelm their regen is ridiculous", DMUA put in their own headcanon (Hey their words, not mine) which has no real bearing on the thread, and The Calaca says that 2x AP difference seems to be PIS rather than any legit thing and that, again, trying to say "X amount of AP will overwhelm their regen" is not a thing we can do.

Basically is consensus is, no. For right now, AP will not bypass Low-High unless it's shown and trying to quantify it is either PIS, outlier or just ridiculous to try and quantify.

 

[Zeifyl]

Doesn't Cell's regen depend on that there thingy in his head being intact?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He just needs a single cell, the one you're talking about is just the most durable one.

 

[Zeifyl]

In that case, I don't think Zygarde has a win con.

 

[Akreious]

Then yeah Regen Stomp.

 

[Mickey1940]

can't Zygarde vaporize with Land's Wrath or Dragon Pulse?

 

[Bob8999]

i dont think the AP diffrence is big enough, to do so.

 

[Mickey1940]

i dont think the AP diffrence is big enough, to do so.

AP difference between Cell and Gohan was less than 2 times yet Gohan had no trouble vaporizing him into Oblivion. From what I can see Zygarde eclipses Cell in power by way more than that

 

[Akreious]

i dont think the AP diffrence is big enough, to do so.

AP difference between Cell and Gohan was less than 2 times yet Gohan had no trouble vaporizing him into Oblivion. From what I can see Zygarde eclipses Cell in power by way more than that

We already addressed this. It is completely asinine to try and place an AP value on Cell's Regenerationn, also there's a thread on this very thing where pretty much everybody disagreed.

 

[Mickey1940]

i dont think the AP diffrence is big enough, to do so.

AP difference between Cell and Gohan was less than 2 times yet Gohan had no trouble vaporizing him into Oblivion. From what I can see Zygarde eclipses Cell in power by way more than that

We already addressed this. It is completely asinine to try and place an AP value on Cell's Regenerationn, also there's a thread on this very thing where pretty much everybody disagreed.

alright chill out

anyways, Cell's regen relies on some sort of specific cell located in his brain. Isn't Zygarde strong enough to destroy it? Blowing off the top of his body should do the trick

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

He is strong enough, what Akr is suggesting was denied by the staff and vaporizing beams superior to Teen Gohan can indeed kill Cell as determined by the staff, and even if I'm wrong, Core Enforcer negates the regen by negating passive abilities.

So yeah Zygarde wins.

 

[Bob8999]

i dont think the AP diffrence is big enough, to do so.

AP difference between Cell and Gohan was less than 2 times yet Gohan had no trouble vaporizing him into Oblivion. From what I can see Zygarde eclipses Cell in power by way more than that

We already addressed this. It is completely asinine to try and place an AP value on Cell's Regenerationn, also there's a thread on this very thing where pretty much everybody disagreed.

alright chill out
anyways, Cell's regen relies on some sort of specific cell located in his brain. Isn't Zygarde strong enough to destroy it? Blowing off the top of his body should do the trick

you never watched the cell games did you? im like 90% certain he regened from that exact thing.

 

[Mickey1940]

i dont think the AP diffrence is big enough, to do so.

AP difference between Cell and Gohan was less than 2 times yet Gohan had no trouble vaporizing him into Oblivion. From what I can see Zygarde eclipses Cell in power by way more than that

We already addressed this. It is completely asinine to try and place an AP value on Cell's Regenerationn, also there's a thread on this very thing where pretty much everybody disagreed.

alright chill out
anyways, Cell's regen relies on some sort of specific cell located in his brain. Isn't Zygarde strong enough to destroy it? Blowing off the top of his body should do the trick

you never watched the cell games did you? im like 90% certain he regened from that exact thing.

I was waiting for someone to say this

Cell's Regen:

Regenerationn (Low-High; Cell can regenerate from a special, core cell nucleus contained in his head; given that he has regenerated from having his top half blown off and from self-destructing, it is likely that this cell is able to survive extensive damage)

The damage Zygarde can deal on his is way more than anything Cell has ever encountered

 

[Bob8999]

except if he regenerated from a cell in his head, he would have regened top to bottom, but he regened from the top of his legs up. not for a cell in his head, from his legs.

 

[Mickey1940]

except if he regenerated from a cell in his head, he would have regened top to bottom, but he regened from the top of his legs up. not for a cell in his head, from his legs.

My point was that the cell in his head was able to survive Goku's Instant Kamehameha, hence why Cell survived at all. If Zygarde did the same thing to Cell, his head cell wouldn't be as lucky due to the AP gap

 

[Bob8999]

1: you missed the point of what i said in its entirety, 2: to do what your saying (basically oneshotting) requires (according to this sites rules.) a 7.5x AP diffrence, not a 2x diffrence.

 

[Mickey1940]

1. then Cell's page needs to be changed

2. I can't find Zygarde's AP on this wiki. I'm basing this purely off of a comment earlier in this thread.

 

[Peter1129]

The 1 MegaFoe calc isn't really usable. It's in a thread and not in a blog plus it wasn't evaluated and last time I checked somebody said there was a problem with the distance. And it was agreed upon that for now the 4-B Legendaries scale to this calc since it's the general lighting up the universe calc. Perfect Zygarde scales to 3x that value which would make him 8.244 KiloFoe which is still over 7.5x stronger than Cell which means he should still be able to one shot him.

 

[Schnee_One]

7.5x is not enough to bypass Low High at all and Cell can Zenkai the difference