Zhong Yue vs Balancer - Battle for the 4th placement of 4-B (Non-Smurf)

[Deceived3596]

SBA
Speed Equalized

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Zhong Yue

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Balancer

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Zhong Yue -

Balancer -

Neo Acacia solos both -

 

[Robo432343]

can balancer even interact with NEP??

 

[Zaratthustra]

So im at work rn thus i can't debate so i'll just post a quote of mine from another match.

Passive:
His Killing Intent will cause other's beings' mind to go blank/collapse, make them cry/tremble to freeze in fear which attacks the soul and spirit too - while also make them hallucinate to see nothing but darkness, hear nothing but howls of the souls to a degree that the more it stays the stronger it becomes and the soul will lose it that it make the foe go mad/berserk plus it will silence the skills, body and soul/spirit.

He will passively crush the dimension around him. Looking in his eyes will instantly suck your soul/spirit (abstract self) and bfr you to Hell.

His Saber Will will attack the mind, soul and spirit. His saber presence will nullify skills, and will instantly strike whoever feels is (basically as long as you're in his range you're hit making speed equal even a worse thing for his foe). It will also stun his foe's body, spirit, soul, mind, energy and skills.

His aura will attack the mind of his foe to make him look bigger as time passes, to miss their attacks, to make them hesitate, to feel like an eternity has passed to lose themselves; At the same time, it will nullify mind, soul and spirit making impossible to use these aspects, it will turn the void into a zone without any energy or power, will disintegrate the body, soul, spirit, and dimension and seal the vision and any visual prowess.

Any attack of his creates Dao Wounds (Conceptual wounds) which will make so that the energy of his wounded foes will work against them by stopping the regeneration (basically yourself without wanting will make so that the wounds won't heal - you'll need to destroy the concept of this specific dao to stop it).

His luck is so high that it will devour the luck of others to make whatever situation/thing that may help them become his in the end.

ZY has the best Analytical Prediction on the wiki (if you exclude infinite ones) as he can predict what an opponent will do next by calculating the flow of their blood essences, the shortcomings of their skills, the positions of their Yuan Shen, the weaknesses of their mortal body, their movements, habits and their next points of attack as if he had gone through the same predicament thousands of times that he knew exactly what to do and where to move in order to evade the skills. Furthermore, he can predict through their personalities, thoughts, and even their instincts from dozens of foes at the same time and calculate the changes and results of hundreds of millions of skills at once which only got better as he got more experienced and stronger.

He can also calculate fate, karma (cause and effect), and time itself which make for a strong combo as he will understand almost anything just by seeing a thing (like instantly understanding what you will do, what you have done, copy whatever you may/will use and have used) making a really strong power mimicry. Then you have his instinctive reaction that is natural as breathing for him which then got even stronger as any action is as natural as the Dao (everything). Plus his accelerated development and reactive evolution making an even more frightening combatant going by these plus his analytical prediction.

What is even funnier is that he not only has over 11,500+ gods form (basically becoming an entirely new being and even becoming his foe down to whatever aura, body, physical, soul, spirit and racial skills they may have. He basically can become his enemy and gain their powers if his copying is not enough.

His attacks can reach through endless dimensions so Darsh won't be able to hide or run anywhere while ZY can and if Darsh can't do the same, he won't even be able to hurt him. Plus him ignoring the concept of space/distance will make even harder to even try to escape/dodge any attack in an equal speed match (not like it matters too much). He also has like 10+ different stat amps.

ZY can make the distance/space between himself and his foe be infinite (create countless layers of space), separate his foe through multiple dimensions making whatever they do be useless as while his foe is still connected and not hurt, it will hard to use anything when you're scattered across other dimensions, stop the time, reverse one's to a state where they never existed or increase their age till they die. Can summon 6 other him from the future, each 1 year older, so Darsh will have to fight not only 1 but 7 in total, each with more experience/power under its belt. Plus he can also summon millions of himself (present self).

Can BFR his target within his Seven Path Reincarnation where he can do whatever he wishes and trap his foe into this layered dimension (endless) here he can become nonexistent at will making truly impossible to hurt him if you can't interact with such beings.

His Saber can work like a mirror that will show his foe deepest secrets, flaws, openings, the things they cultivate (powers), the body, spirit, soul, basically everything for him to know. This is not only done with the saber but himself in his true form - Fuxi Form will also have this ability but even stronger as each scale on his body will gain this property plus the ability to reflect back whatever technique/power will be used against him.

Then you have his Daos (Concepts) - Celestial, Demon, Sun, Moon, Lightning, Earth, Wood, Water, Fire, Metal, Mountain, Yin, Yang, Yi (Change), Time, Space, Heaven which he can manipulate. Plus 700 more Daos but not that much explained beyond several.

While he also has the Daoless Heaven which is something that exists beyond the Dao as it will null everything including Dao, eroding everything in the universe (every manifestation of a Dao), reducing anything to a state of non-being.

ZY doesn't even need to use his skills or attack himself as his Spirits can do it themselves making even of a harder fight.

 

[Deceived3596]

@DontTalkDT Good luck with responding to that absolute bible of text homie

 

[Zaratthustra]

Also, by looking at the profile...ZY second key can outspeed and kill him with his Yin Yang lights since they attack the soul...he got even faster arts since then which cant be equalised. But Balancer only good stuff is his type 1 concept and information manip which could be used to fight he has nothing to counter ZY full set.

 

[PainKiller07]

Good luck with responding to that absolute bible of text homie

I mean, when I encountered that bible no one was there

 

[DontTalkDT]

In his non-smurf keys Yue lacks the range the affect all of Balancer, given that he is spread throughout the entire solar system and inside a pocket dimension of the info type.

can balancer even interact with NEP??

I see no Aspect Type 4, so.... yes, with everything he does. Also fairly sure he has that only in the smurf key?

Talking about it, if this is for non-smurf OP needs to be changed. Deity key has Low Multiversal Range, which means it's smurf.

And Dao is Ether level at best. Screw people putting concept on everything more abstract than laws

 

[Zaratthustra]

He has dimensional attacks since earlier keys. Like in Deity key, he can go through dimensions with the rhino carriage or use the heavenly mirror that can pierce through countless dimensions. Even his own attacks can destroy the dimension to reach beings who hide within others.

 

[DontTalkDT]

He has dimensional attacks since earlier keys. Like in Deity key, he can go through dimensions with the rhino carriage or use the heavenly mirror that can pierce through countless dimensions. Even his own attacks can destroy the dimension to reach beings who hide within others.

I would complain about the lack of Interdimensional range, but I apparently forgot to list it for Balancer as well, so let's both pretend it's there for now lol

Anyway, it's not pure range, it's also AoE. He needs to find and destroy the Terminals spread across the solar system and in the Divine World. If he just takes them out one after another, Balancer can just create new ones in new places to replace them.

Aditionally, the Divine World isn't a regular pocket dimension. It's Information Type 2 stuff. Can Zhong Yue deal with Information Type 2? He has a information manip listed without a type, but it doesn't quite sound like the "makes up everything in existence"-type of thing from the description.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Well, no but his entire universe as its most basic structures are tottems that form the reality and he can interact with them, so it should work i think since thats the information of their scope.

While he has no type as at the time of creation, types werent made yet.

Also, Aoe is not problem with his Mirror which had tier 3 attacks and can destroy countless dimensions. Plus he can wih a simple look bfr his opponents to hell where he is tier 3 too.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Well, no but his entire universe as its most basic structures are tottems that form the reality and he can interact with them, so it should work i think since thats the information of their scope.

While he has no type as at the time of creation, types werent made yet.

Also, Aoe is not problem with his Mirror which had tier 3 attacks and can destroy countless dimensions. Plus he can wih a simple look bfr his opponents to hell where he is tier 3 too.

Wha are tottems and why shoudl they equalize to information type 2? And what are the feats of controling them, because if they equalize he still has to face Balancer on that.

But what's the best AoE showing of the mirror within a single dimension?
Well, he won't get a line of sight on several terminals, so the look is out.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Tottems are the magic systrem of the verse, a way to express the Dao of the world, and these tottems hold even the spirits which are manifestations of the said world by having within them the information of all things which they use to develop their arts. They were among the most abstract and ethereal concepts of the world, inherently holding the most mysterious knowledge within them. They were the profound and mysterious totems, the distillation of the power of the heaven and earth., They had the strength to transcend the mortal to immortality, and possessed the knowledge of the fundamental essence of the universe. To use it one needs to understand what time and space are, what use they have, why they exist, what meanings do they carry, and why they matter.

The mirror' shines a light that destroys endless dimensions and also hurt a Creator lifeform, a being whose body holds within 6 galaxies (or they can manifest it outside).

Also before it even reaches this point ZY will do info analysis, and analytically predict all the way Balancer can fight before the fight even starts just by looking once at him. Then nothing stops him from outspeeding him since he can use arts that are faster than speed equal or just pierce through space to ignore distance. Or his Saber's presence once in battle will be everywhere his range is, making it faster than anything his opponent can do since he's slower even if they are speed equalised.

The said Saber presence will passively nullify all skills, and stun their body, psyche, energy and yuanshen (which is a conceptual entity).

 

[DontTalkDT]

Tottems are the magic systrem of the verse, a way to express the Dao of the world, and these tottems hold even the spirits which are manifestations of the said world by having within them the information of all things which they use to develop their arts. They were among the most abstract and ethereal concepts of the world, inherently holding the most mysterious knowledge within them. They were the profound and mysterious totems, the distillation of the power of the heaven and earth., They had the strength to transcend the mortal to immortality, and possessed the knowledge of the fundamental essence of the universe. To use it one needs to understand what time and space are, what use they have, why they exist, what meanings do they carry, and why they matter.

So how capable is he at manipulating that?

The mirror' shines a light that destroys endless dimensions and also hurt a Creator lifeform, a being whose body holds within 6 galaxies (or they can manifest it outside).

If the creator lifeform is human sized with the galaxies within, then the AoE on the outside is still not all that large. Like, can he illuminate a solar system with that light, if the solar system is not somehow within a smaller object?

Also before it even reaches this point ZY will do info analysis, and analytically predict all the way Balancer can fight before the fight even starts just by looking once at him.

Balancer can do the same. In fact, Balancer doesn't even bother predicting what the opponent will do. He instead predicts all possible and impossible choices the opponent may take and just prepares a countermeasure for all of them.

Although, I have doubts analytic prediction will actually work for ZY, because it probably tells him nothing about Balancer's summons.

Then nothing stops him from outspeeding him since he can use arts that are faster than speed equal or just pierce through space to ignore distance.

Balancer has control over the Ether, which controls the laws, which control that space. Manipulating space is actually fodder technique in godless planet. In fact, Balancer is capable of just spatially linking areas to do pretty much the same... although it isn't very relevant, as he can freely manifest himself anywhere he wants anyway.

Balancer has gods that can do time techniques to even out the speed stuff.

Or his Saber's presence once in battle will be everywhere his range is, making it faster than anything his opponent can do since he's slower even if they are speed equalised.

Provided Balancer or another god doesn't use their reality warping stuff to reverse that.

The said Saber presence will passively nullify all skills, and stun their body, psyche, energy and yuanshen (which is a conceptual entity).

There are lots of layers of not being nullified behind the gods Balancer summons. In fact, aside from lots of regular layer, the Authorities of gods are so unresistable that resisting them (via another authority) creates a logical paradox. Irresistible Force vs Unmovable Object style. If that happens the concept of contradiction allowance is invoked to decide which technique gets the upper hand, and that also deals with conceptual paradoxes (e.g. like existing in a conceptless void).

On that note, what does ZY do against Iwanaga reducing his lifespan to 0? It's an Authority, so it can't be negated or resisted, Info Type 2 based at that, is instant without travel, thought-based, and once it happens the lifespan can't be restored without her permission even with the verse's high-godly healing method.

 

[Zaratthustra]

So how capable is he at manipulating that?

Everyone from the second stage of Cultivation is able to manipulate Spirits and here ZY is at the 9th realm of cultivation but his knowledge is at the level of a Creator Deity which is 15th realm. At this point, his knowledge is so high that he was almost absorbed and becomes one with the Heavens themselves (the omnipresent being who is the manifestation of Heaven) because his cultivation couldn't catch up with it but he managed to control himself. He's good enough that for 8 months without stopping, he fought with someone of a higher realm and not even once used the same technique again as he kept creating more and more to not show a weakness. Thanks to his ability to gather and manipulate the information (totems) he can become even his enemy gaining their innate prowess. Another thing is that he can manipulate Yin and Yang and reverse, combine, and separate them (the totems).

If the creator lifeform is human sized with the galaxies within, then the AoE on the outside is still not all that large. Like, can he illuminate a solar system with that light, if the solar system is not somehow within a smaller object?

He is not human-sized, but planet-sized at least as a normal God is larger than planets while a Creator Deity has their Six Path Wheels revolving around themselves in battle which are galaxy-sized making him be larger than them. Even then, the Mirror is something that can destroy endless dimensions or even a larger dimensions that contain endless ones.

Balancer can do the same. In fact, Balancer doesn't even bother predicting what the opponent will do. He instead predicts all possible and impossible choices the opponent may take and just prepares a countermeasure for all of them.

Although, I have doubts analytic prediction will actually work for ZY, because it probably tells him nothing about Balancer's summons.

How many is this "all" since all could be more than 2 depending on the verse, context, etc.

ZY's analytical prediction let him predict what 28 opponents at the same time would do before their even managed to think what they will do just by looking at them in the fight. It was his first meeting with them and he could this. He can predict what an opponent will do next by calculating the flow of their blood essences, the shortcomings of their skills, the positions of their Yuan Shen, the weaknesses of their mortal body, their movements, habits and their next points of attack as if he had gone through the same predicament thousands of times that he knew exactly what to do and where to move in order to evade the skills. Furthermore, he can predict through their personalities, thoughts, and even their instincts from dozens of foes at the same time and calculate the changes and results of hundreds of millions of skills at once. Not even taking in that each of them was stronger and faster than him as they had higher realms of cultivation.

Then the only way to out-predict ZY is to be better than him at computation (in-verse) and going by their Intelligence section ZY has the advantage.

Balancer has control over the Ether, which controls the laws, which control that space. Manipulating space is actually fodder technique in godless planet. In fact, Balancer is capable of just spatially linking areas to do pretty much the same... although it isn't very relevant, as he can freely manifest himself anywhere he wants anyway.

Balancer has gods that can do time techniques to even out the speed stuff.

And what can he actually do himself with the laws/space stuff (feats/statements that he actually has not what he could do just because he can manipulate X thing). He's barely "Hypersonic, possibly Hypersonic+" while ZY is faster from his first key, and from the second key he has Speed of Light arts which can't be equalised, nothing stops him from using such things which will make anything Balancer wishes to do impossible as he will be outspeed by a large margine as his "body" wouldn't be able to react as even if you know the attack will come you can do nothing.

ZY actually has his own feats and statements of space manipulation since Inner Core Key and Dimensional Attack since Atman Bode Key which only got stronger and better as his realm increased. ZY has over multiple stat amps and stat red abilities. Not even getting in how in speed equal passives rules like his Saber presence that I mentioned above (those being only a part of them). Even more as ZY not only has instinctive reaction but one that he got in the second key and got stronger till it made him able to evade AOE attacks thanks to being near Dao level).

Provided Balancer or another god doesn't use their reality warping stuff to reverse that.

Already covered by the above said things, as the match is equal and the saber will be out in a fight thus making it useless since he will be dead or useless.

There are lots of layers of not being nullified behind the gods Balancer summons. In fact, aside from lots of regular layer, the Authorities of gods are so unresistable that resisting them (via another authority) creates a logical paradox. Irresistible Force vs Unmovable Object style. If that happens the concept of contradiction allowance is invoked to decide which technique gets the upper hand, and that also deals with conceptual paradoxes (e.g. like existing in a conceptless void).

On that note, what does ZY do against Iwanaga reducing his lifespan to 0? It's an Authority, so it can't be negated or resisted, Info Type 2 based at that, is instant without travel, thought-based, and once it happens the lifespan can't be restored without her permission even with the verse's high-godly healing method.

Not like this stop him as Balancer will first be alone in the match and thus he will not have the chance to even summon for the reasons said above. Even more, ZY also has layers. Has she shown to be able to reduce tens of thousands of years of lifespan to 0? Or how even a Monarch being (the 18th realm of cultivation) could only reduce ZY lifespan by 700 years after a process that repeated infinite times. But this is to reach the point where Summons are even available.

ZY also has thought-based, passives, and the like abilities like BFR, Absorption, Power Null, Deconstruction of mind, body, soul, spirit, spatial destruction, and more.

Or what stops ZY from sealing him within this tier 3 Mirror? where you'll need to be able to overcome its power and spatial manip to escape.

Then not even going on how ZY has resistance to most powers Balancer has while the said being has no resistence on profile. Not even going how ZY has a lot of more powers and techniques which makes his versatility better.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Everyone from the second stage of Cultivation is able to manipulate Spirits and here ZY is at the 9th realm of cultivation but his knowledge is at the level of a Creator Deity which is 15th realm. At this point, his knowledge is so high that he was almost absorbed and becomes one with the Heavens themselves (the omnipresent being who is the manifestation of Heaven) because his cultivation couldn't catch up with it but he managed to control himself. He's good enough that for 8 months without stopping, he fought with someone of a higher realm and not even once used the same technique again as he kept creating more and more to not show a weakness. Thanks to his ability to gather and manipulate the information (totems) he can become even his enemy gaining their innate prowess. Another thing is that he can manipulate Yin and Yang and reverse, combine, and separate them (the totems).

Yeah, but like, Balancer can basically build an entire world out of it and control everything that happens in it using information manip. Pretty much full on reality warping. Can ZY do stuff like that or is he limited to more basic applications?

He is not human-sized, but planet-sized at least as a normal God is larger than planets while a Creator Deity has their Six Path Wheels revolving around themselves in battle which are galaxy-sized making him be larger than them. Even then, the Mirror is something that can destroy endless dimensions or even a larger dimensions that contain endless ones.

Planet size would still be too small. So has the mirror actually spread its effect over a whole galaxy that wasn't contained in something smaller before? That's still not clear to me.

How many is this "all" since all could be more than 2 depending on the verse, context, etc.

Well, Balancer seems to consider Shogi something that can quickly be thought to the end. Shogi is like chess, so it probably also has around 10^120 different games (the famous Shannon Number). I guess that's a baseline. Although, Balancer says his calculations of human thought are harder than that, so it's likely more.

ZY's analytical prediction let him predict what 28 opponents at the same time would do before their even managed to think what they will do just by looking at them in the fight. It was his first meeting with them and he could this. He can predict what an opponent will do next by calculating the flow of their blood essences, the shortcomings of their skills, the positions of their Yuan Shen, the weaknesses of their mortal body, their movements, habits and their next points of attack as if he had gone through the same predicament thousands of times that he knew exactly what to do and where to move in order to evade the skills. Furthermore, he can predict through their personalities, thoughts, and even their instincts from dozens of foes at the same time and calculate the changes and results of hundreds of millions of skills at once. Not even taking in that each of them was stronger and faster than him as they had higher realms of cultivation.

Then the only way to out-predict ZY is to be better than him at computation (in-verse) and going by their Intelligence section ZY has the advantage.

Balancer also has routines for predicting group behaviour.

Not sure about the whole ZY having the computation advantage. I guess the universe thing sounds cool, if it applies to this key, but then depending on how detailed the prediction is it's not that impressive.

In principle, Balancer can probably also boost his own computation capabilities by creating more devices of himself. (He noted, that there is a difference between using just one and using the entire's network's strength)

And what can he actually do himself with the laws/space stuff (feats/statements that he actually has not what he could do just because he can manipulate X thing).

He has created an entire world which he also controls like a virtual reality and personally decided on the laws of nature in it. I.e. he's a reality warper.

He's barely "Hypersonic, possibly Hypersonic+" while ZY is faster from his first key

Speed is equal.

and from the second key he has Speed of Light arts which can't be equalised, nothing stops him from using such things which will make anything Balancer wishes to do impossible as he will be outspeed by a large margine as his "body" wouldn't be able to react as even if you know the attack will come you can do nothing.

Othe way around, ZY can't dodge reality warping because it doesn't travel. Balancer could also himself produce light... that's in principal not further difficult, seeing as he generates the light in that world.

ZY actually has his own feats and statements of space manipulation since Inner Core Key and Dimensional Attack since Atman Bode Key which only got stronger and better as his realm increased. ZY has over multiple stat amps and stat red abilities. Not even getting in how in speed equal passives rules like his Saber presence that I mentioned above (those being only a part of them). Even more as ZY not only has instinctive reaction but one that he got in the second key and got stronger till it made him able to evade AOE attacks thanks to being near Dao level).

So they both have potent space manip. Of course, ZY needs to use that via manipulation of more abstract stuff than space, as simple space manip would get overpowered by info manip.

Already covered by the above said things, as the match is equal and the saber will be out in a fight thus making it useless since he will be dead or useless.

If he doesn't have it pulled more than 50% of the time then he actually has to pull it at the beginning of the fight first. So I don't think that's actually passive.

And unless ZY's teleportation counts, I think the range is too low to completely incap. Would it even cover separate information dimensions?

Has she shown to be able to reduce tens of thousands of years of lifespan to 0?

She has reduced infinite lifespans to instant death, even.

Or how even a Monarch being (the 18th realm of cultivation) could only reduce ZY lifespan by 700 years after a process that repeated infinite times. But this is to reach the point where Summons are even available.

Not even sure how I should evaluate that. Because it's technically just one technique being resisted repeatedly... but somehow each time cost 700/infinite years of lifespan? Weird.

ZY also has thought-based, passives, and the like abilities like BFR, Absorption, Power Null, Deconstruction of mind, body, soul, spirit, spatial destruction, and more.

Ok. Balancer has the whole AoE problem and gods resist that.

Or what stops ZY from sealing him within this tier 3 Mirror? where you'll need to be able to overcome its power and spatial manip to escape.

AoE possibly, as he needs to find all the parts of Balancer's being first. Then that Balancer could probably free himself via making use of abstract powers like info and concept stuff?

Then not even going on how ZY has resistance to most powers Balancer has while the said being has no resistence on profile. Not even going how ZY has a lot of more powers and techniques which makes his versatility better.

I would argue against better versatility, on grounds that Balancer is a reality warper. Can't be much more versatile than "just make the world whatever I want". Not to mention the summons...

Anyway, yeah, other than the gods Balancer does not have many resistances and relies on his distributed existence instead. Which ZY doesn't have in return, making him a lot easier to target.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Yeah, but like, Balancer can basically build an entire world out of it and control everything that happens in it using information manip. Pretty much full on reality warping. Can ZY do stuff like that or is he limited to more basic applications?

And how does building a world helps here? Do you have a tangible feat of it being used offensively? Cause just saying you can do X but not showing won't help.

He can do complex stuff since his skill sets are considered complex as the higher one in realm goes, the more complex their arts are and more development computation is needed.

Planet size would still be too small. So has the mirror actually spread its effect over a whole galaxy that wasn't contained in something smaller before? That's still not clear to me.

Planet sized here are not your standard ones but even ZY without being a God could become 54,000 km tall, and here the God is a Creator who can basically create worlds and what happens within them as they wish. Like I said, in battle, their Six Paths Wheels are out (the inner dimensions mentioned). Plus, I did say that the God created a larger dimension that could contain endless dimensions so the range is not a problem as it could destroy them.

Well, Balancer seems to consider Shogi something that can quickly be thought to the end. Shogi is like chess, so it probably also has around 10^120 different games (the famous Shannon Number). I guess that's a baseline. Although, Balancer says his calculations of human thought are harder than that, so it's likely more.

That's not how it works, you need a feat or statement from within the series that mentions such a number otherwise is just unknown as you don't equal to real-world if its not said directly in-verse.

Balancer also has routines for predicting group behaviour.

Not sure about the whole ZY having the computation advantage. I guess the universe thing sounds cool, if it applies to this key, but then depending on how detailed the prediction is it's not that impressive.

In principle, Balancer can probably also boost his own computation capabilities by creating more devices of himself. (He noted, that there is a difference between using just one and using the entire's network's strength)

Has he done it to 28 beings who were faster and stronger than him at the same time? His prediction can be seen from the linked text I posted: compute their essence, the flaws of their skils, the positions of their spirit/soul (yuanshen), the weakness of the body, their movements, habbits and next points of attacks as if he has gone through it thousands of times. Not stopping here but being able to predict their personalities, thoughts, and instincts at the same time, to calculate the changes and results of hundreds of millions of skills at the same time. He could do this to all of them, at the same time, after the first time fighting them.

So no, without having actual feats and statements, Balancer is not even close to ZY.

Zhong Yue can also amp up his computation by creating millions of himself within his Six Paths Wheels to help him in a fight, to simulate more, to discern even easier his foes and abstrusities, etc.

He has created an entire world which he also controls like a virtual reality and personally decided on the laws of nature in it. I.e. he's a reality warper.

And? What did he exactly do? Because just being a reality warper doesn't help much if the other party can counter, can fight back and defend or the character in question (Balancer) has not show much.

Othe way around, ZY can't dodge reality warping because it doesn't travel. Balancer could also himself produce light... that's in principal not further difficult, seeing as he generates the light in that world.

Same way as Balancer can dodge his passives and thought based attacks or other arts that can instantly take effect like by looking at ZY's eyes which will BFR you in Hell.

Being able to produce light doesn't help when he's just "hypersonic", if not he should have a higher speed. Speed equals doesn't mean your arts/techniques are equaled just the movement/reaction, but the restriction won't affect these.

So they both have potent space manip. Of course, ZY needs to use that via manipulation of more abstract stuff than space, as simple space manip would get overpowered by info manip.

ZY has feats of piercing through space, breaking space, distorting space, making the space pull his foe in multiple directions, absorbing his target within the Sixth Path Wheels which will suppress and dismember through the power of Yin and Yang, freeze the dimension and space, grind his foes through space, his aura will crush the space, ignore distance, slow space to an almost halt, can hide through dimensions to attack and defend, and a few more. ZY has multiple ways to affect space and dimension. What does Balancer have? Information Manipulation doesn't help if he doesn't have feats of being able to overpower such things.

If he doesn't have it pulled more than 50% of the time then he actually has to pull it at the beginning of the fight first. So I don't think that's actually passive.

And unless ZY's teleportation counts, I think the range is too low to completely incap. Would it even cover separate information dimensions?

ZY is a saber user, his weapon is always out. Its not 50%, it's a sure thing.

His attacks as I've said can go through dimensions and affect dimensions plus at his realm, all his attacks count as Dao Wounds which will use the energy of the wounded to persist plus suppress its power, and the only way to negate it would be to nullify the totem pattern.

Not even sure how I should evaluate that. Because it's technically just one technique being resisted repeatedly... but somehow each time cost 700/infinite years of lifespan? Weird.

The Monarch tried to kill by torture and by destroying his longevity through an instant ad infinitum loop that should have killed him but it only affected 700 years of his lifespan.

Ok. Balancer has the whole AoE problem and gods resist that.

Has what? Also, I don't see resistance on his profile so he doesn't resist anything.

AoE possibly, as he needs to find all the parts of Balancer's being first. Then that Balancer could probably free himself via making use of abstract powers like info and concept stuff?

Nothing stops ZY from destroying him using the power of the Mirror after being sealed or just doing it himself. He can become even more powerful by revealing his true form of a Fuxi which will reflect passively all his opponent's flaws, attacks, skills, plus boosting his prowess (and several others stat amps), Plus lots of other powers like eroding his foe life, sacrificing him to increase his own power, freeze his energy, physical body, soul, spirit, psyche, skills, etc, copy their powers, become them thus gaining their skills, multiple ways to attack the soul and the mind, plus other techniques.

I would argue against better versatility, on grounds that Balancer is a reality warper. Can't be much more versatile than "just make the world whatever I want". Not to mention the summons...

Being a reality warper is not an argument if he hasn't shown each application of it, each power be it offensive, defensive, or utility with X ability. He may be a reality warper but it doesn't mean he has all possible powers if he hasn't shown or said Y thing. "make the world whatever I want" is not a good argument as its too vague and nothing concrete. The summons are secondary things that won't even be reached in the fight with the things said till now and even then with ZY's versatility, intelligence, and experience with fighting with dozens of people at once will still be in his favor...also he has resistances, more powers (that he actually used and are not vague), has likely several tens more fights (that actually happened with him) meaning more combat experience. ZY is a better fighter, and planner than Balancer by a large margin going by his profile.

All these things and not even reaching his defensive arts like summoning (since you like this power) a shield that blocks every power including abilities that deal with nothingness and void, a domain that will absorb all types of energies (including those from within his foe) plus reducing the speed/power, making the target burn directly from within using its soul as fuel, being able to counter abilities with the reverse of Yin and Yang, having homing attacks, attack wherever his saber presence is, transform in countless lifeforms each with their abilities (just that he prefers 11500+ forms which are more developed), his voice dragging others in Hell, and many more which he has actually shown.

 

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