Zeus (Marvel Comics) Lifting Strength Revision

[Marvel_Champion_07]

My first CRT ever

If Zeus is stronger than Atlas, who lifts the universe, his LS should be much higher than just Class Y. I'm not sure how high, but I think it should be Universal or so.

Either that, or Zeus doesn't scale to Atlas strength-wise and he keeps his Class Y rating, but loses the Atlas justification

Upgrade (Agree): 5
No Upgrade (Disagree): 1

Edit: If Zeus is getting an upgrade, I think his LS should look like this

Lifting Strength: At least Class Y (Should be comparable to Odin), likely/possibly Universal (Stronger than Atlas, who lifts the heavens/universe)

Scaling might only affect other skyfather-tier characters like Odin (probably need more input on this), unless anyone wants this for Herald-tier characters like Hercules

 

[The_Impress]

This is minor enough, I agree.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

This is minor enough, I agree.

Upgrade or removing Atlas part?

 

[The_Impress]

Former :v

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Former :v

I need to wait for others' input, right?

 

[The_Impress]

Meh, yeah

@Antvasima would you gather input for this, or is it enough?

 

[Confluctor]

Simple enough, agreed

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

On another note, Hercules performed Atlas' feat for a while too, but it's probably an outlier for him?

 

[Confluctor]

Wasn't this when he was a skyfather? So don't think it's an outlier.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Wasn't this when he was a skyfather? So don't think it's an outlier.

This was from Incredible Hercules Vol 1 121. If I'm not wrong, I couldn't find anything saying he was a skyfather at the time

 

[Confluctor]

I see, I see.

I don't read Herc often, so not sure what his usual LS is. But if it's around Thor level (base), then it does seem like an outlier. Tho conceptually it makes sense.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I see, I see.

I don't read Herc often, so not sure what his usual LS is. But if it's around Thor level (base), then it does seem like an outlier. Tho conceptually it makes sense.

His profile does say his base LS is Class Y, so having a Universal LS feat would be an outlier

Hercules (Marvel Comics)

Born to a mortal women, Hercules is the son of Zeus, and spent centuries traveling the world, defeating monsters and helping the other heroes of Greece, such as Theseus and Jason. And in modern times, Hercules's role isn't much different, helping the heroes of today to battle villains as one of...

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[Marvel_Champion_07]

Btw, would other skyfathers like Odin scale to Zeus' LS if it scales to Atlas' feat?

 

[Confluctor]

I believe it should, but we should wait and see what others say

 

[Hellbeast]

I can see it as a likely Universal kinda thing but that's just me

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

I can see it as a likely Universal kinda thing but that's just me

Do you agree?

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah this is fine

 

[Antvasima]

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What do you think about this?

 

[Deleted member 11410]

Agree

 

[Qawsedf234]

The story arc that features this has Hercules lift it as well. Lifting the cosmos is also weird since it implies Atlas is also lifting himself.

If we do give him a rating it should just be "possibly universal".

 

[Antvasima]

Are "the heavens" here explicitly defined as the Universe or just all of the air in the Earth's atmosphere?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

The story arc that features this has Hercules lift it as well

I don't read Herc often, so not sure what his usual LS is. But if it's around Thor level (base), then it does seem like an outlier

His profile does say his base LS is Class Y, so having a Universal LS feat would be an outlier

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

If we do give him a rating it should just be "possibly universal".

"likely/possibly Universal" sounds good

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Are "the heavens" here explicitly defined as the Universe or just all of the air in the Earth's atmosphere?

It looks more like the universe, but I'm not entirely sure

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the reply.

 

[LordTracer]

I agree with giving it a ‘possibly Universal’.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, going by the scan in the first post, it seems unclear if what is intended is simply the sky or the universe, but leaning toward the former, which would fit better with Hercules' power level.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Updated the first post

 

[Antvasima]

Well, as I mentioned above, it seems unreliable to drastically upgrade the strength levels for Hercules, Zeus, Atlas, and everybody who scale to them to a universal scale based on a statement about lifting the sky.

 

[Eficiente]

I don't think the feat's a valid display of Universal LS, but that it's unquantifiable due to being conceptual. They don't state that he's lifting the universe, we just assume so as we see space with stars in it above him. Neither the universe or some interstellar-sized space were falling before he did so, when he was the war chief of the Titans. By doing this task forever he will still do so after Earth is no more, regardless of how he uses it to "lift the universe". By lifting/separating the heavens/father sky from mother Earth he avoids them to bear rebellious children like him, so he's using some esoteric ability that allows that to happen and needs to be performed by lifting something heavy & a bit painful by his standards, like a human would lift something heavy, be in pain and be doing a notable feat in a more realistic & literal sense.

 

[Antvasima]

Eficiente makes sense to me.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Bump

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

I don't think the feat's a valid display of Universal LS, but that it's unquantifiable due to being conceptual. They don't state that he's lifting the universe, we just assume so as we see space with stars in it above him.

Atlas is lifting Uranus presumably. Do we know what Marvel Uranus is like?

 

[Eficiente]

The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z Update #2 says his weight is variable, so that's helpful. In Thor & Hercules: Encyclopaedia Mythologica #1 Cronus is said to lift ~100 "without making use of his other powers" and Zeus can lift 90 tons "without making use of his other powers".

 

[Antvasima]

Well, those "official lifting strength levels" are only for comparison purposes between different characters, and often misleading.

 

[Hellbeast]

I'd also note we currently aren't accepting Marvel Guidebooks for anything at all so that wouldn't help us

 

[Qawsedf234]

The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe A-Z Update #2 says his weight is variable, so that's helpful. In Thor & Hercules: Encyclopaedia Mythologica #1 Cronus is said to lift ~100 "without making use of his other powers" and Zeus can lift 90 tons "without making use of his other powers".

I meant more like, is Uranus really heavy or something. Like is he a living concept or just a magic dude in Marvel.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

I meant more like, is Uranus really heavy or something. Like is he a living concept or just a magic dude in Marvel.

depends sometimes he is one sometimes the other its just marvel being marvel

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Bump