it has been accepted that zeus' lightning can't just blast souls out of existence. and even if it was, that isn't an assumption, it's literally how the wiki treats magical-based elemental maniulation. zeus' lightning is just normal lightning that is umbued with certain haxes like powernull and paralysis; so unless proven otherwise, the lighting isn't made of actual magic
Gravity Cage is a part of his Gravity Power, just that he limited the gravity power inside a cage for different usage
1. It is literally under Gravity manip on his profile, his hand glow yellow is the indicated of him using gravity power
Isn't @Planck69 said that his lighting can blast people soul (which includes concepts)???
i am aware, i didn't expain myself properly
that was before this crt was accepted. now it isn't assumed that any magic-based attack attacks the soul directly, GOW characters must proof that they can interact with souls themselves. luckily for him he can just strip away souls with just a hand gesture
should i make it so that zeus has prior knowledge?
Zeus's lighting was accepted long ago to be so, given it's summoned from clouds and causes paralysis.
Idk, ask @Planck69 about this i think, if he fine with prior knowledges for Zeus then me too
It's a bjt both. Zeus can summon cloud-to-ground lightning that paralyses (he's Zeus) but can also use it to magical ends, given that he can damage and dispel the souls Kratos summons when you fight against him the last time.
I don't mind but then doesn't he just psychically voodoo attack Hearts from the get go?
Hearts also vodoo Zeus right at the start so......eh.......incon???, in Godslayer key he as passive mind reading, or rather Zeus mind will spoke itself to Hearts so he going to vodoo Zeus??
Kratos adapted to Age Manip, Time Manip and Slow mid fight and Fate Manipulation/Probability Manipulation etc. from the Sisters of Fate. So, fairly likely he can adapt here. At the same time, Zeus probably shouldn't have that RE lol. Something we didn't consider.
Zeus can attack a mental construct of Hearts, and have the damage reflect on his body is what I mean (like how Ares gave Kratos a vision, beat him up in said vision and had the damage reflected physically). Unless Hearts can also do that despite Zeus's resistances, in which case this would be incon.
i mean, the profile says that zeus has access to ALL of god key kratos' abilites, so if we're basing this from the profiles, he should have RE
He does as of now.
It was near immediate in the case of the Castor and Pollux fight. Went from being affected by the Amulet to negating it even when they used it on themselves, just by punching them during the same fight.
That was removed too
Hm. Then it would be a bit slower. Kratos adapted to the Sisters of Fate more gradually.
Tbh, as much as I do want to fix them, they're still very much matchable as they are. It's mostly on me as I didn't keep up with the CRT spam.
what's dimensional domain?
It's an ability that passively causes the opponent's stamina to be set to 1/absolute bare minimum. Any action taken after this effect that needs stamina causes the opponents to be stunned.
oh, i totally forgot about that. well, zeus can literally strip away hearts' soul with just a hand gesture (that's the first thing he'll do as he has prior knowledge), would that count as needing stamina?. also, what range does it have? they are 4km away from each other
Well hearts could counter that by stopping him from moving via gravity/telekinesis/paralysis Inducement, plus any and all actions zues might take would be known to hearts via his heart resding. And wouldn't also Zeus be paralysised/crushed from the sheer fear and ap he'll feel towards hearts? Since ki can cause vastly weaker beings to explode/crushed/paralysed.
Zeus only needs to think to teleport away from his grasp, then make a gesture for the latter's soul so even Heart's telepathy wouldn’t be too insurmountable. That and even while paralysed, he can attack Hearts in his mind, which would damage him in his body.
for one, even if hearts couldn't erase zeus as a concept, he didn't show to regenerate from complete erasure of body and mind. remember, zeus can only resurrect as the concept of fear itself by dying, not by completely erasing him from existence. dying and dissapearing from existence are two different things
Mind is part of the soul, which is a concept, so he wouldn't be able to erase that either
he has no body = Fear is free to go out and do whatever, him body would be "dead" if it was erased, but his Soul is still there, heck he got OUT of his body to become fear, so it is quite irrelevant if his body disappears as he clearly doesn't need it at all to become fear
unless that can't erase the history of concepts.....then no, as Zeus became fear itself, unless hearts can erase his Soul, which as it is conceptual, he can't, then it simply wouldn't do anything for the Fear that is standing right in front of him
still, without body he ain't doing shit because...
...in the cinematic we can see that zeus needs to die in order for fear to come out. as you said, fear zeus comes out of his body. if hearts erases zeus (which he can, as zeus in his base key only has AE, which hearts can interact with), he cannot let fear come out, even if fear its imbued inside his soul as he needs to be killed in order to do so
that is never said, Zeus "died" and fear came out since Fear is not reliant on his body, thus if he is erased, thus his body functionally "dying" fear out come out since it doesn't need his body at all
waiting statement for that still
and to exist purely as a soul is dying, which is what will happen here even by your logic
.........what? when have i said he didn't need to die? obviously he can't access on his own, but that is the thing, we equally not said that the evil doesn't come out if he isn't killed, aka that it only comes out if he dies, which given the nature of what fear is makes negative sense, the thing is his soul, if the body goes away then the soul is still there to become fear
it IS his soul that comes out, possessed completely by fear, why do you think something that is in his soul would need to come out of something......that isn't his soul? his soul got out of his body, which was just fear at that point
........what nothing? his soul is what fear is in, his body literally matters not here
my point was that erasing zeus from existence would disable his capability of physically manifesting his soul; the whole reason why i'm bringing this up is because GOW has never faced something like history-based EE before
Would that even work normally here? The Evils are both independent concepts and predate time and history entirely.
i think so. if the causality behind zeus absorbing the evil of fear inside his soul is erased, both the evil of fear and his soul (the type 1 concepts) would still exist, they would just not be together as one; the evil of fear would be its own thing, completely unrelated to zeus' soul
Thing is, Zeus' Soul IS fear itself at this point, so would such a thing even affect it at all?