Zeno vs. March 7th

[Shiroiyo]

Girl with smurf hax FRA

 

[Vietthai96]

You do realise that even if we generously give Zeno a much faster Erase attack (it took 34 seconds for Zeno to unleash it and for all we know thats how he does it) March's arrows can and will freeze zeno upon contact with him.

And I do mean the basic arrows she fires because that is what is shown to us and is currently accepted on her profile.

March not knowing about Zeno's moveset is not really a factor because she can just ya know shoot him as Zeno flies up to charge his attack. There is no reason she wouldn't under SBA rules.

Huh?, she already under SBA, both of them, that why they going to win, but why Zeno need to fly up??. Also, where did that generic arrow can freeze shit from? And where is that 38 seconds from?, are you seriously using cinematic time to decide how long it take for Zeno to charge up his attacks??

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah, March FRA. Don't see how Zeno has a chance. Low 1-C is through Existence Erasure so it wouldn't make sense for Ki to one shot March and for LS, it's literally 1-A+ smurf..

In-character wise, I don't think Zeno is going to use Ki / Existence Erasure immediately while March is.

This matchup kinda sucks tbh, and I actually have never seen Zeno use his Ki Manipulation as an offensive or if he used it as a casual way in the series even (I mean he probably does with the flying stuff but you'd get what I meant). So, only option is through Existence Erasure and it's not bloodlust so yeah gg.

Something about speed equalized bothers me, notice how Zeno is MFTL+ and March is immeasurable and how speed equalized only equalizes the 6 aspects of their speed but not their activation and interval?

 

[Johner2133451]

I think Zeno win because he have history erasure

 

[BoastJr]

Huh?, she already under SBA, both of them, that why they going to win, but why Zeno need to fly up??.

That is how Zeno charged his attack vs Infinite Zamasu. He had no reason to fly up either in that case but he did although that it is not necessary for him to do so or provides any real disadvantages. Infact it may even be advantageous if we account range factor.

Also, where did that generic arrow can freeze shit from?

According to March's profile it is as worded as "All of her attack deals ice damage, she can jam guns with blocks of ice, and freeze her opponents"

And where is that 38 seconds from?, are you seriously using cinematic time to decide how long it take for Zeno to charge up his attacks??

34 seconds is an example of the attack taking time to charge rather then being literally 34 seconds. I was elaborating why the Erasure would be very difficult to impossible to pull off in a match where March is actively closing the distance with one arrow deciding the outcome.

We do not assume Goku is capable of lets say instantly charging a spirit bomb and tossing it at someone now do we ? Dismissing it as Cinematic timing still won't shorten the charge time to the point it would even be a factor if I being honest.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I think Zeno win because he have history erasure

How is that even relevant for this matchup?

 

[Woomica]

march fra

 

[helello100]

Pink dumbass for the reasons above.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Selfie Waifu FRA but this feels like a stomp since Zeno only ever uses EE in character and doesn't uses ki blasts at all even though everyone in Dragon Ball and their mom can use it.

 

[Johner2133451]

How is that even relevant for this matchup?

Can march resist it?

 

[GarrixianXD]

I think Zeno win because he have history erasure

Imaginary Space erases history + information + concept + space-time.... etc. so...

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

So basically:

• Zeno's only win-con is nullified because Imaginary Space has superior Erasure than Zeno,
• Zeno in-character has never used a basic ki techniques or physical attacks, and the fact he's consistently referred to as not a fighter makes this even more likely to be the case.
• Zeno would NOT see March as a threat. Heck he'd see her as closer to Goku in personality which makes him even more unlikely to do anything significant to her before he gets frozen.
• March in-character will definitely freeze him with literally any main attack from her bow.

I literally don't see a win-con because SBA still assumes they're IC, and everything Zeno is IC makes victory practically impossible for him here.

 

[GarrixianXD]

So basically:

• Zeno in-character has never used a basic ki techniques or physical attacks, and the fact he's consistently referred to as not a fighter makes this even more likely to be the case.

What makes you think that he can't use basic ki techniques? He would use it once he finds out his EE is moot.

 

[Johner2133451]

Imaginary Space erases history + information + concept + space-time.... etc. so...

Then couldn't Zeno just do some barrage punches like this?

 

[Woomica]

i am still believing that march is just gonna find zeno cute and hold him like plush toy than to have them fight to death

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

It's not that he can't, it's just that we've never seen what he actually does in the event that his EE doesn't work. We also have no idea on what Zeno would do in the event of facing someone he decides not to use his EE on, because we've only use him use his EE in a combative scenario. SBA still is based off of what we've seen and known the characters to do, so him physically attacking March or firing a regular ki blast are both things we've never seen him do in any situation as of yet, so all of that is just speculation.

 

[Voidnether]

Then couldn't Zeno just do some barrage punches like this?

Wtf is that range lmao

 

[ShionAH]

Can't Zeno erase the universe or the planet? She doesnt have dimensional travel nor flight NOR Self Sust 1.

She just flies away then and dies to space

 

[Ebihara]

i feel like most zeno matchups are pretty poor (expect the tiger one that one was based), he either EE or that doesnt work and he has no in character way he would likely fight. Even if he was bloodlusted we dont really even know how he would fight cause he doesnt fight?

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

honkai hax are sooo dumb

 

[Spinoirr]

honkai hax are sooo dumb

Well it was either they become smurfs or they become tier 1 all together

 

[IamMadeOutOfStone]

Well it was either they become smurfs or they become tier 1 all together

and when everyone is 1-A, no one will be...

 

[GarrixianXD]

honkai hax are sooo dumb

I mean... March is like one of the least worst...

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Looks at the Emanators

 

[Vietthai96]

Process to never use those haxes

 

[BoastJr]

Most of th Honkai Star Rail characters loses to FLIGHT + AP

If I were Goku in this scenario, Just fly up and spam Ki Blast gg

People should abuse range more

 

[Woomica]

Process to never use those haxes

saying that while having ball sized mf who cant even attack is crazey

 

[Vietthai96]

saying that while having ball sized mf who cant even attack is crazey

i think he bigger than a ball but point taken, but hey bro used to EE people to the point he don't know how to attack

 

[BoastJr]

If I was Zeno I would spam EE and just never learn how to use H2H.

He can even materialise giant hands to flick planets thats super cool. Would use that in a fight every so often.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

You do realise that even if we generously give Zeno a much faster Erase attack (it took 34 seconds for Zeno to unleash it and for all we know thats how he does it) .

No? We've seen him literally just wave his fist and erase things instantly

 

[BoastJr]

No? We've seen him literally just wave his fist and erase things instantly

I was refereing to the Erase attack he did Versus infinite Zamasu.

That is accepted as AP here for some reason that was explained earlier in this thread. The AP is what will kill March not the Erase effect.

Its clearly shown that this and other instances of Zeno erasing things are different.

 

[Johner2133451]

Wait is this match concluded or no? Because I saw in March's profile that she has a win against Zeno but Zeno doesn't have his loss added in his profile

 

[GarrixianXD]

Recounted; the tally is 6-0-5 unless @Enryu_The_Red_Tower is going to change his vote.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I will keep my vote inconclusive

 

[Braking]

put me as inconclusive.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Terrible battle, Zeno a 1 trick erase user who does nothing else vs A girl who apparently has 1-A Ice

 

[Vietthai96]

Terrible battle, Zeno a 1 trick erase user who does nothing else vs A girl who apparently has 1-A Ice

1-A+ Ice.........

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

1-A+ Ice.........

Lol whatever that means in terms of ice I guess.

 

[Shar122]

1-A+ Ice.........

Bro has beyond baseline Outer hax, yet can't survive in space of all things

 

[Shar122]

So basically:

• Zeno's only win-con is nullified because Imaginary Space has superior Erasure than Zeno,
• Zeno in-character has never used a basic ki techniques or physical attacks, and the fact he's consistently referred to as not a fighter makes this even more likely to be the case.
• Zeno would NOT see March as a threat. Heck he'd see her as closer to Goku in personality which makes him even more unlikely to do anything significant to her before he gets frozen.
• March in-character will definitely freeze him with literally any main attack from her bow.

I literally don't see a win-con because SBA still assumes they're IC, and everything Zeno is IC makes victory practically impossible for him here.

I'm pretty sure that Zeno wouldn't just Erase March directly, he would erase the entire battle field and timeline they were in, and I doubt March can survive in vacuum of infinite nothingness (checked her profile, seems like there's no space survival stuff unless I missed something), and if we're doing it in character, March also wouldn't view him as a threat, Zeno's appearance isn't really threatening ... So.. i think Zeno do have a chance here.