Zeno Super Small Addition

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Zeno is a being who stands at the top of all 12 universes, so to say he's a big deal would be a gross understatement. Everyone makes sure to show him the utmost respect, be they Kaio or God of Destruction. For if anyone should cross him, Zeno could erase their entire universe in the blink of an eye!

Beerus himself has said that Zeno is too strong and fears him, and Beerus himself admits this and Whis confirms that there is no one above Zeno (which confirms that hakai would do nothing against Zeno).

Sure, you can say that Zeno has a great EE at long range and would kill any god of destruction, but Beerus claims that Zeno doesn't fight, he's aware of Zeno's weaknesses

He just doesn't try something because he knows it won't work, since his EE doesn't work and there's no way for him to finish it off (hence Beerus' fear of Zeno).

Not only does the only God of Destruction fear Zeno, but all the Gods together, even if he combined all the Gods of Destruction with his hakai, he wouldn't be able to even scratch Zeno

Zeno sees the Gods of destruction as mere toys and sleeps while the energy of destruction fills every void



In addition to the final piece of evidence, Zeno cannot be defeated by any opponent in the verse, including even the Hakaishin, whose energy of destruction is capable of erasing everything in its path



He resisted his own existential erasure which completely erased Trunks' timeline and that left a void in that timeline

Dragon Ball Super 67 Zeno meets Future Zeno English Dub

youtu.be

Agree: @Gamin_Yoon23 ,@Killerdrone123 ,@Accelerated_Evolution ,@LordDestroit10K ,@CryoTheMayo ,@ChoursDropoff ,@Hasty12345 ,@GodSinBad2280 ,@AizenBankai09 ,@Behemoth98, @DarkDragonMedeus,@TiltedFN


Neutral: @Rutæhh

Disagree: @BestMGQScalerEver (disagrees resisting his own EE), @Damage3245

The purpose of this crt is to make Zeno resistant to EE, that's all.

 

[Rutæhh]

couldnt this agruement be used to make zeno resistant to all the haxes in the verse? seems like a slippery slope if u ask me

I dont mind him having resistance to EE but thats where the line draws for me

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

couldnt this agruement be used to make zeno resistant to all the haxes in the verse? seems like a slippery slope if u ask me

I dont mind him having resistance to EE but thats where the line draws for me

No, it's because Zeno can actually stand to be in the presence of the Gods of destruction, i don't want to do something silly like that.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Didn't he resisted his own EE when he erased Future Trunks' timeline?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Didn't he resisted his own EE when he erased Future Trunks' timeline?

Wouldn't he be immune to his own attacks? But of course, that could be a good argument.

 

[Gamin_Yoon23]

Zeno erases timeline you can put me in agreement for 5D EE resistance.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Yeah I agree with it

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Wouldn't he be immune to his own attacks?

Not by default

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I rewatched the scene, yeah, he explicitely survived it

While i´m not sure on the CRT arguments by themselves, i think the above reasoning is solid enough to give Zeno such a resistance

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I rewatched the scene, yeah, he explicitely survived it

While i´m not sure on the CRT arguments by themselves, i think the above reasoning is solid enough to give Zeno such a resistance

This seems good and with the other evidence together we can give resistance to EE.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I disagree with him resisting his OWN EE since logically speaking he wouldn't be the target of his own EE.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I disagree with him resisting his OWN EE since logically speaking he wouldn't be the target of his own EE.

He is showed covering himself in the blast btw

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

He is showed covering himself in the blast btw

He himself was still not a target of his blast. It'd be pretty antithetical if his EE worked against him and there's no reason to assume a resistance for it not working against him since he is the user.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

He himself was still not a target of his blast. It'd be pretty antithetical if his EE worked against him and there's no reason to assume a resistance for it not working against him since he is the user.

I don´t see how he being the user makes the EE not work on him

And even then, if an EE attack doesn´t works on him.... It means he has a resistance to it

 

[LordDestroit10K]

Since Zen’ō can’t be erased by anyone, that means even Hakai can’t erase him. Agree with the thread…

 

[CryoTheMayo]

Yeah, makes sense. I agree.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Put me on agree

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I believe something like this was proposed before. I have nothing against it, but other staff had thought it sounded too hypothetical.

 

[Hasty12345]

I agree he resists hakai, but as explained, there's no basis for him resisting his own EE.

 

[GodSinBad2280]

I agree with his ee resistance.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I believe something like this was proposed before. I have nothing against it, but other staff had thought it sounded too hypothetical.

I see, can i list you in agree?

 

[AizenBankai09]

Seems good, well done luffy!

 

[Behemoth98]

Agree

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Did you accidentally use the wrong scan here?

Not only does the only God of Destruction fear Zeno, but all the Gods together, even if he combined all the Gods of Destruction with his hakai, he wouldn't be able to even scratch Zeno

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Did you accidentally use the wrong scan here?

?

 

[Damage3245]

He resisted his own existential erasure which completely erased Trunks' timeline and that left a void in that timeline

I don't agree with this. He wouldn't be targeting himself with his own erasure.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don't agree with this. He wouldn't be targeting himself with his own erasure.

This part right here shows him covering himself with blackout



Also, do you agree with him resisting hakai?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Did you accidentally use the wrong scan here?

No, i used this part because it's not just a God of destruction who fears him.

 

[Damage3245]

This part right here shows him covering himself with blackout

I don't think that's enough to assume he's hitting himself with it.

Also, do you agree with him resisting hakai?

I'm not in favor of it; a character doesn't have to be resistant to an ability for it to be ineffective against them. Dodging is an option too.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I don't think that's enough to assume he's hitting himself with it.

All is well then

I'm not in favor of it; a character doesn't have to be resistant to an ability for it to be ineffective against them. Dodging is an option too.

Of course, as if that were possible, he doesn't even have the speed to react to DB characters, he doesn't fight, is that your best argument? Anyway i added

 

[Quantu]

If you're using these statements to give him resistance to Hakai, why stop there? why wouldn't it apply to every ability shown in the series?

How do you plan on handling that?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

If you're using these statements to give him resistance to Hakai, why stop there? why wouldn't it apply to every ability shown in the series?

How do you plan on handling that?

Funny, i'm just trying to incorporate EE resistance, that's all i need right now, the only resistance we know for sure is against the hakai which doesn't affect him.

 

[Hasty12345]

If you're using these statements to give him resistance to Hakai, why stop there? why wouldn't it apply to every ability shown in the series?

How do you plan on handling that?

The CRT already relies on a few assumptions, but given hakai doesn't work on stronger ki users, Zeno having resistance should be fine.

Other abilities may not have the same weakness.

 

[omegabronic]

Zeno is a being who stands at the top of all 12 universes, so to say he's a big deal would be a gross understatement. Everyone makes sure to show him the utmost respect, be they Kaio or God of Destruction. For if anyone should cross him, Zeno could erase their entire universe in the blink of an eye!

Yeah, he is the strongest in verse, no doubt about that

Beerus himself has said that Zeno is too strong and fears him, and Beerus himself admits this and Whis confirms that there is no one above Zeno (which confirms that hakai would do nothing against Zeno).

that doesn't confirm that Hakai wouldn't work, only that, again, Zeno is the strongest, by the first statement it is made clear why he is the strongest, if anyone tries anything he just erases them before they can do anything, nothing really stops that seeing his reaction speed to the fastest chars in the ToP and his position as the Top Dog in the verse, he just outspeeds erases anyone who tries anything, specially when all he needs is to close his hand briefly to erase whatever he wants

all the above was to say......resistance isn't really needed with these arguments, speed + EE is equally possible, making it quite hypotetical to give resistance just because "he is above everyone" now there is something more to say about the other scans, but this point in particular generalizes my sentiment about this thread

Not only does the only God of Destruction fear Zeno, but all the Gods together, even if he combined all the Gods of Destruction with his hakai, he wouldn't be able to even scratch Zeno

......this isn't what the scan is saying, it is just another statement about Zeno being able to erase all 12 universes......there is nothing being said about all 12 GoDs ganging up on him to try and beat him or anything like that.........where did you get this part from?

He just doesn't try something because he knows it won't work, since his EE doesn't work and there's no way for him to finish it off (hence Beerus' fear of Zeno).

or he fears him because if he tries anything he just gets erases instantly before he can do anything

Zeno sees the Gods of destruction as mere toys and sleeps while the energy of destruction fills every void

......"fills every void"? as far as we know it only covered the arena, not the entire Void, we specially have no evidence of it reaching Zeno's place where he is sleeping........yeah he sees them as toys.....but like, he is but a child in mentality + 5 security guards protecting him, i don't think he would care about them fighting close to were he is sleeping either way

In addition to the final piece of evidence, Zeno cannot be defeated by any opponent in the verse, including even the Hakaishin, whose energy of destruction is capable of erasing everything in its path

go back to the first point, also as other said, use this to give him resistance to hakai then you give him resistance to everything else in the verse, otherwise this is cherrypicking

He resisted his own existential erasure which completely erased Trunks' timeline and that left a void in that timeline

Dragon Ball Super 67 Zeno meets Future Zeno English Dub

youtu.be

it came out of his body to erase everything else, sure...........it doesn't make sense for him to try and erase himself tho

so i guess i disagree with the thread

The CRT already relies on a few assumptions, but given hakai doesn't work on stronger ki users, Zeno having resistance should be fine.

Other abilities may not have the same weakness.

if you are arguing that it is a weakness of the ability then there is no resistance to be had as it would be a weakness of the hax itself

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

No, i used this part because it's not just a God of destruction who fears him.

Yeah but the statement, and the scan don't match at all.

 

[Quantu]

Just to be clear, I think it's extremely obvious Zen'o can resist Hakai and in-verse it would do nothing to him. Unless base Goku has better resistance to Power of Destruction than him lol.

The trouble is proving it for this site specifically because these statements would logically give him resistance to everything in the verse, so I don't know why it would be cherry picked for Hakai specifically.

All or nothing I say, not this half measure rhetoric.

 

[omegabronic]

Just to be clear, I think it's extremely obvious Zen'o can resist Hakai and in-verse it would do nothing to him. Unless base Goku has better resistance to Power of Destruction than him lol.

The trouble is proving it for this site specifically because these statements would logically give him resistance to everything in the verse, so I don't know why it would be cherry picked for Hakai specifically.

All or nothing I say, not this half measure rhetoric.

you either gamble it all to become rich in the casino or you walk away with your money to buy an apple, oh the choices

 

[NXCHT.66]

but given hakai doesn't work on stronger ki users, Zeno having resistance should be fine.

Agree with FRA.
There are many good examples for that reason, be it Vegeta or Frieza.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yeah but the statement, and the scan don't match at all.

Well, Beerus and the Gods fear Zeno, because their hakai does not affect Zeno, he remained in the same place as the Gods of destruction showed their energies of destruction, the scenery turned purple, Zeno was unaffected by the energy of the Gods and was asleep.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Omega, could you please stop commenting on my stuff, you were blocked from talking, just respect that and don't comment on my stuff anymore.