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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

PandaCooler said:
Ether has far more enemies weak to it than fire.
Nicole has decent anomaly application
Def Shred is basically saturated entirely within Nicole.

This means Nicole offers a lot that burnice just can't match at M0
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I got M1 Burnice and her engine from the paid event and she still gets outdone by Nicole, Yuzuha or with Astra.
 
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i got an S-rank on my first 10x pull but it turned out to be grace 🥀 ended up doing i think 6 or 7 more 10x pulls (not an intentional joke) and i finally got her, thankfully i had a lot of polys saved up from 2.5 since i got lucky with shunguang
 
I got the Qingming Birdcage so my Yixuan is finally up to speed 🙌
 
Building up pulls rn, since Alice and Zhao ate my pulls last patch.
Lycaon is looking interesting though, at P1 I’m scoring 30k+ with Alice and Nicole. He’s not bad at all.
 
You should, she's really good and really helpful but I also did not experience her at her best because I was thugging out all the updates without a remotely decent W-Engine for her. Miyabi still handles better imo
 
i was clapping so much when the squad went back to sixth street, no longer i have to see that ugly ass yunkui summit outfit on wise
 
i binged through the story last night and i personally thought it was really good. probably my favorite season 2 chapter and i think it's up there as being one of my favorite chapters period. loved every character present in the chapter and the writing honestly felt really reminiscent of early season 1 chapters imo

feats wise, there obviously wasn't much outside of the main notable thing which is aria being able to parry attacks from vesper's giant weapon, though that boss fight as a whole admittedly does have some weird context behind it which brings the validity of the feat itself into question
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
What the best thing you can give, because that's the possible case I can gave atm
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It should just be unknown until we get more feats.
I don’t do this out of a need for downplaying but chain scaling agents who have no reason to be scaled to each other is dumb.
Whenever I find the time I plan on getting rid of ts unless there’s more evidence provided
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
Also i almost write mr. downplayer because your comment seems to rude to me but I managed to take it back kekw
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ngl it kinda was, I’m a little irritated cus Burnice is so shit.
(At m1w1 she’s barely better than m0w0 Vivian)
 
BiggestOpp said:
It should just be unknown until we get more feats.
I don’t do this out of a need for downplaying but chain scaling agents who have no reason to be scaled to each other is dumb.
Whenever I find the time I plan on getting rid of ts unless there’s more evidence provided
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do you plan on just giving every character you deem is unable to chainscale unknown LS or something? can't say i necessarily agree with the thought process but i'm just curious given that we don't really have any other LS feats to begin with outside of the DEB ones
 
Sooshirohl said:
do you plan on just giving every character you deem is unable to chainscale unknown LS or something? can't say i necessarily agree with the thought process but i'm just curious given that we don't really have any other LS feats to begin with outside of the DEB ones
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There’s a couple of feats outside of the DEB one that could be used, but if those characters without chain scaling doesn’t have anything, then yeah, they should be marked as unknown.
At the end of the day, it’s about making profiles as accurate as possible within the confines of the rules.

Also I have a few problems with DEB calc
The video linked in the blog doesn’t show the feat being calced, maybe I’m just missing it but a timeframe would be nice.
Don’t agree with using cubed square law off of a mace.
Structurally it’s way different from a mace and the material isn’t the same.
 
BiggestOpp said:
There’s a couple of feats outside of the DEB one that could be used, but if those characters without chain scaling doesn’t have anything, then yeah, they should be marked as unknown.
At the end of the day, it’s about making profiles as accurate as possible within the confines of the rules.
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fair enough. i guess i'll just see your points when you get around to making that CRT. i wouldn't mind characters having differing LS values that better suited them, but we just need more actual LS feats outside of the DEB ones lol
 
BiggestOpp said:
It should just be unknown until we get more feats.
I don’t do this out of a need for downplaying but chain scaling agents who have no reason to be scaled to each other is dumb.
Whenever I find the time I plan on getting rid of ts unless there’s more evidence provided
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Wil you downgrade other stats too or neigh (sorry for bad gfamar)
 
Wjhy speed? Also i thoguht you disagred with the Tier 8 scalign (or those who dont scale to sacerifices i think?) lol
 
ItzLivyx said:
Wjhy speed? Also i thoguht you disagred with the Tier 8 scalign (or those who dont scale to sacerifices i think?) lol
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I don’t like the hypersonic+ calc, forgot about the sacrifice scaling.
Can someone tell me why that exists again?
 
BiggestOpp said:
I don’t like the hypersonic+ calc, forgot about the sacrifice scaling.
Can someone tell me why that exists again?
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Is it because it uses in-game animations or something?

Also prob unrelated, but i do hope sometime the many, MANY bullet/gunfire-dodging feats (or electricity dodging in Manato's case?) and lasers (even with no lightspeed reasoning) get calced
Idk if any of them would be hypersonic, but i can see at least a few supporting calcs around subsonic to supersonic, which would be nice to have just in case lol
 
ItzLivyx said:
Is it because it uses in-game animations or something?
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Because it makes assumptions that just don’t line up with what the visuals show.
I’d like to point out that the way the animation is coded, regardless of distance, the blade will automatically deflect the bullets.
The animation doesn’t actually show this, the character just swings their sword and the bullet is deflected regardless of the angle of the shot. You can also visually see sword isn’t moving as fast as the calc assumes. Plus, by putting the character right up on the enemy, you can reduce the distance the bullet is moving, inflating the calc, even though the sword moves the same speed at all distances.
It’s just a shitty animation that isn’t even consistent in the visuals and shouldn’t be used
 
ItzLivyx said:
Also prob unrelated, but i do hope sometime the many, MANY bullet/gunfire-dodging feats (or electricity dodging in Manato's case?) and lasers (even with no lightspeed reasoning) get calced
Idk if any of them would be hypersonic, but i can see at least a few supporting calcs around subsonic to supersonic, which would be nice to have just in case lol
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there's a lot of stuff still in both gameplay and cutscenes that i think are worth calcing. obviously considering naito has basically been the only person doing calcs as of now i'm not exactly complaining about what we have to date, but i do think having more calcs that fluctuate in scale would be a good way to scale characters more accurately
 
Sooshirohl said:
there's a lot of stuff still in both gameplay and cutscenes that i think are worth calcing. obviously considering naito has basically been the only person doing calcs as of now i'm not exactly complaining about what we have to date, but i do think having more calcs that fluctuate in scale would be a good way to scale characters more accurately
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Yeah, i do wish we had more of these for a more accurate scaling, since i feel characters like Evelyn and Pubsec are likely the ones who'd want these the most (trust, mw if i had the guts, brains and calcs to do a downgrade i'd do it bro trust me no cap fr)
 
Without a supporting calc, you can't exactly force a downgrade because you need something that supports the rating (our old profiles were threatened with deletion if we didn't have supporting calcs) so it stays until we build a consensus but also I can't do it because I'm flying in a few days for studies lol. Maybe ask some other calcers to do it and I'll take a look.
 
Naito-desu said:
Without a supporting calc, you can't exactly force a downgrade because you need something that supports the rating (our old profiles were threatened with deletion if we didn't have supporting calcs) so it stays until we build a consensus but also I can't do it because I'm flying in a few days for studies lol. Maybe ask some other calcers to do it and I'll take a look.
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Oh i'm aware, that's why i put i'd need guts and calcs for a downgrade in those parenthesis lol. I don't plan on doing any downgrades soon anyway btw

Also good luck with your studies!!
 
I'll be in New Zealand and will need a few days to settle in, but hopefully I'll be back once I can build a working routine.
 
just saying but if possible before any more major CRTs or anything like that go underway i'd like to at least get more agent profiles up if possible. atm we have 29 out of 47 profiles so we're a little over halfway through the agents but that also isn't counting the faction team profiles or the boss profiles. i think those are lower priority imo though so i think i'd prefer trying to get more agent profiles done. been wanting to knock out some more profiles but i've just been busy with college and work unfortunately so i haven't really had the time on my hands to do that
 
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