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So, the sacrifice calc would pretty much affected the majority of the characters, right?
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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread
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Looks good to me..
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As luck would have it, we have approval on this.
ZZZ: Sacrifice Blasts a Door Open
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so now we can use 8-C as a baseline for the verse, very nice
we're getting somewhere at least, small steps lol
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what about that one Belabog Industries trailer where Ben slams the big robot and makes a big explosion?
I don't think it's 8C but it could maybe be a supporting calc?
I don't think it's 8C but it could maybe be a supporting calc?
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I don't think Ben can really drop hard enough to really justify it as supportive, I've ran the rough numbers and they're not quite there.
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aw dang
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i was gonna say this should probably get added to the misc. addition page so we can hopefully get it approved and revise the older character pages
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I guess it’s fine to add since the only pages up that it affects are Belobog
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couple days late but qingyi's profile is officially up
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magus splits a shipping container in half in the midst of her rage which seems pretty impressive. also, she kinda seems to flipflop between firing lasers and acting as a flamethrower
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It's actually about Small Building using some very rough maths, if we assume we're melting a specific cross-section and assuming it's steel, about 0.01 tons to 0.04 tons of TNT though it feels a little pointless now that we have the upcoming 8-C rating which I'm wondering when you're all going to implement it.
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i'll go through and update the pages when i get the chance
just for clarification, are we giving 8-C to every agent? cause i think we already talked about how there's arguments for every faction scaling to one another
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We'd need a CRT and mod approval so we need another thread. Assuming the Heretic Jester cross-scales, then yeah we'd give it to everyone
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Unless we have a reason to say any of the other Factions scale to Spook Shack, then no non VH Faction but Belobog and Obol Squad should scale to or above the feat given both groups actually fought powerful Sacrifices (Unknown Corruption Complex and the Defiler)
The only other characters I recall encountering a Sacrifice were Lycaon, Hugo, Vivian and S0 Anby, and they avoided that fight as Lycaon, who from what I recall showed no issue with fighting powerful Ethereals such as the Twin Marionettes with his team (Who’d I’d say are overall inferior to his team up with Hugo, S0 Anby and Vivian), I believe stated they’d be danger if that one Sacrifice they encountered woke up.
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fair enough
so just to be sure, these are all the updates for the old profiles that are being made :
- the DEB gets inorganic physiology, self-sustenance, and possibly limited deconstruction
- billy gets analytical prediction
- nicole gets psuedo black hole creation
- every agent possibly gets statistics amplification via vital view, and agents with evasive assists (billy, grace, rina) just get it flat out
- belobog gets upgraded to 8-C (and obol squad should also get 8-C whenever their profiles get made)
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Yeah we are good to go for making the next CRT then
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I’ll get the Heretic Jester and UCC pages up along with miniboss Ethereals in after I sleep, apologies not having the later up sooner as been busy with other stuff and my laptop been crap lately.
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went ahead and updated the pages of the dead end butcher, nicole, billy, and all of belobog with the updated stuff we got. also went ahead and updated the main verse page to add orphie + some of the new calcs that got accepted. i'll go through and add vital view/statistics amplification to all the agents later, but i figured i'd at least go ahead and add the more important stuff first
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By the way, we should add higher with Vital View to the speed rating for all agents when we're doing the changes
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looks good to me, also really like the way you formatted it. nice work
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From what I see it’s missing him directly fighting Nineveh alongside Yanagi as well as Miyabi I believe stating, even when not having seen him go all out, that he’d be a difficult opponent for her and someone she’d not want as a enemy
Also I’d probably put him and similarly tiered characters as At least 8-C, Likely higher given they’d be immensely beyond the likes of Spook Shack and the Heretic Jester
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Finished applying these
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Thank you!!looks good to me, also really like the way you formatted it. nice work
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why is belabog > cunning hares and Dead End Butcher?
edit: why is Belabog, an organization of construction workers, above Victoria Housekeeping, basically mercenaries. and the Criminal Investigation Special Response Team, which is literally the police?
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belobog fought against an amped sacrifice monster in the unknown corruption complex, and given that the sacrifice in the 2.1 story blowing a metal door apart got calced to 8-C, that's where that value comes from
pubsec isn't really as impressive of a faction as you think they are. their best feat is qingyi beating a thracian by herself, but other than that, they didn't have to fight any sacrifices or big boss ethereals like pretty much all the other factions did.
giving belobog and obol squad 8-C for fighting against sacrifices is kind of just the logic we generally agreed on. although personally i think everyone scaling to 8-C would probably just be fine. anby should very obviously scale to S11 and likely be superior to her, the rest of the cunning hares would scale to anby, and then from there you could scale other factions to the cunning hares. i really just think there's enough evidence supporting cross scaling for it to make sense but i won't really argue against it if a majority of people in here think otherwise
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ok now that I think about it, besides jane and seth beating up a few guys, that makes sense. Hopefully they get more screen time in the future actually fighting alongside other characters
but what about victoria housekeeping?
I personally feel fine with cross scaling it due to how weak the verse is overall and therefore how similar the feats tend to be and seem to be intended to be, but afaik there isn't any actual definitive proof that they all scale to one another now that I think about it
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they're probably up there strength wise. lycaon seemed confident in his ability to deal with the cunning hares at the start of chapter 3, and rina's dialogue later in the chapter seems to suggest that ellen is comparable to, if not stronger than him. they were also able to hold off the twin marionettes and fight alongside section 6 in chapter 5
i would actually argue the opposite, there's plenty of cases of characters from different factions being comparable to one another. anby and S11, billy and lighter/caesar, lycaon and hugo, miyabi and yixuan, etc.
that's a benefit of ZZZ's world being so interconnected, a lot of characters from different factions know each other and fight alongside/against each other, so it makes arguments for cross scaling easier imo
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Anby should scale to Soldier 11 because both Soldier 11 and Twiggy admit that Anby is significantly stronger than they are.
I also don't think we can really gauge how close or far Victoria is from Cunning Hares, both because Anby and Billy are feigning a lot of their abilities.
We know both Anby and Billy are able to ascertain HSO6 intent easily and Anby is generally not using her military gear (Except for her Agent Story) nor Billy his Calydon gear.
Also shouldn't Anby and Soldier 11 have Sacrifice scaling from fighting Twiggy and Girl A, considering we see them explicitly use the sacrifice serum from Dina's faction?
Twiggy even maintains the ability to speak, which is Sacrifice specific.
I also don't think we can really gauge how close or far Victoria is from Cunning Hares, both because Anby and Billy are feigning a lot of their abilities.
We know both Anby and Billy are able to ascertain HSO6 intent easily and Anby is generally not using her military gear (Except for her Agent Story) nor Billy his Calydon gear.
Also shouldn't Anby and Soldier 11 have Sacrifice scaling from fighting Twiggy and Girl A, considering we see them explicitly use the sacrifice serum from Dina's faction?
Twiggy even maintains the ability to speak, which is Sacrifice specific.
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Also curious if anything can be get from this feat from Anby's Trailer.
Given that's from Anby's last attack in the trailer.
Given that's from Anby's last attack in the trailer.
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Palicus and Tepes are not Sacrifices, there Ether Mutants and can treated as Ethereals given we see a random Tepes in Orphie’s character demo alongside other Ethereals.
The Jester, Bringer and Defiler meanwhile are Sacrifices and the UCC (Prior to fusing with the heavy machinery) and Miasmic Spawn are called such
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I don't take classifications as an end all be all considering that Miasma Spawn are classified as Ethereals despite being explicitly called Sacrifices both by characters AND the data entries.
Miasmic Troopers are also listed as Sacrifices... depsite it being outright stated they are Miasma monsters just like the Fiend.
We're told the serum that the Ravenlock family has creates Sacrifices and Tippy explicitly talks.
I'd say that's way more proof than classifications which don't even classify the very first Sacrifice we meet.
If you wanna argue that Palicus and Tepes are normally regular ethereals, sure, go ahead. But the story was explicit.
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Fair point on the classifications but will stand by that the Palicus and Tepes are far more Ethereal (the former being a unique variant of Thanatos and Tepes being seemingly an Ethereal one can corrupt into like Thracian) than actual Sacrifices like the monument Sacrifice before it absorbed the heavy machinery to become the UCC, so I’m guessing dina’s serum ain’t perfect but it’s been a bit since I’ve looked back at that part of the story.
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banyue's design looks absolutely sick, as do the other new characters that were teased. after the whole lucia redesign fiasco, i'm really happy that i like all of the new designs for 2.4 and beyond. looking forward to getting both him and zhao, plus the other ladies
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