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Zelda Upgrade (Triforce)

The real cal howard said:
I brought this up before. It's not confirmed, although I think she had the full thing.
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She should have because lore explicitly states people with all the virtues equally balanced can make a wish and just like Link she was able to make a wish they both made the same wish.


It's clear cut if Link can have for being able to use it she should too.
 
The real cal howard said:
Oh, you're talking about ALBW Zelda. My mind drifted towards BotW Zelda lol.
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Well ALBW is might be a given that she can use it, and for BOTW she did visit all of the stings of each goddesses but she had non of the virtues at the time all the way until Link got hurt.

she than expressed courage (protected him from the army of guardians) showed wisdom, by planning her next moves and what to do like putting link in the shrine of resurrection, putting the MS back so that link can go grab it and than she showed power by holding back Ganondorf for 100 of years.

So yeah Botw Zelda "should" also have Full triforce it's just people like to argue it was just a symbolism, despite every time the TF appeared it was never for the symbolism other than that all I can say it tradition for the girls in the in the royal family (every Zelda in Botw) to specifically pray to each golden goddesses to receive powers and to unlock their own too.
 
BOTW Zelda isn't confirmed to have the Full Triforce, and it just messes up the scaling. We're going to get new info about it anyway in the sequel.

About ALBW, I think the problem is that, at difference of (ALTTP/AoL/ etc.)Link or ALTTP!Ganon she never became the "wielder" of the Triforce, but she just did a one time wish (with Link, not even alone). I'm not particularly opposed, but I don't think it's enough to warrant a new key.
 
Yeah but ALBW Link gets it, although he does wield the Triforce of Courage, but even then if I remember correctly Zelda DOES have the Triforce of Wisdom. So, what gives? Downgrade Link? Upgrade Zelda?
 
@Cal

What do you think that we should do here?
 
I think the reason why ALBW!Link is considered the wielder is because he had the Triforce of Courage, and defeated the wielder of the other two pieces (Yugalda), and as such he's technically the wielder of the full Force according to what Sheik says in OoT.
 
Well TP Link beat Ganon, and it's likely that he had the other two pieces as he possesed Zelda, and the only other character who could possibly have the triforce of wisdom is Midna, who Ganon also beat. So... 3-A TP Link?
 
Ehh, I don't think it would scale to Zelda since she never really taken the triforce within her like how Link or Ganon did, heck ALBW Link didn't really take it in either, they just made the wish without really keeping the triforce for themselves.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Ehh, I don't think it would scale to Zelda since she never really taken the triforce within her like how Link or Ganon did, heck ALBW Link didn't really take it in either, they just made the wish without really keeping the triforce for themselves.
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Actually ALBW was the one to recover all triforce pieces and put them together to make the full triforce, so he is worthy of it and by proxy have the full TF.

Because if he wasn't all the peices would have dispersed.
 
I'm talking about him actually wielding the triforce for him to carry around like what Ganon does, ALBW just leaves the Triforce there instead of taking it for himself or whatever.
 
Theglassman12 said:
I'm talking about him actually wielding the triforce for him to carry around like what Ganon does, ALBW just leaves the Triforce there instead of taking it for himself or whatever.
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Triforce dosent have to be on somebody to actually be in effect as shown with Ganon from a Link to the Past he was empowered by the full triforce but he didn't have on him. Full triforce can work at distance even across dimensions.
 
AshenCrow777 said:
Triforce dosent have to be on somebody to actually be in effect as shown with Ganon from a Link to the Past he was empowered by the full triforce but he didn't have on him. Full triforce can work at distance even across dimensions.
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But wasn't Ganon in Wind Waker unable to use the triforce when it was right next to him?
 
@Theglassman12

Thank you for helping out.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Can I see proof of him actually being amped by the thing he doesn't even have on?
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Go check ALTTP Link needed to make the golden master to counter the full triforce haxes in order to fight end game Ganon that didn't have the triforce right next to him or even on him (check the ending) , it's literally on their profile.

So yeah he was amped because if he wasn't the whole plot line of Link needing the golden master sword would have been a waste of time since Link absolutely needed that sword in order to go toe to toe with Ganon.

@Pulinno Ganon had to forcibly gather all individual triforce pieces because he wasn't actually worthy at all, heck he wasn't even considered the owner because if he was he wouldn't have need to touch it to make a wish like shown in SS, ALTTP and ALBW they were rightful owners and they didn't need to make contact with the full triforce in order to make wishes
 
Also on the Ganondorf thing more than one person can be worthy of the full triforce they can either share it or battle each for the right of entirely possessing it.

Plus it's comfirmed in lore that Hylia made sure that Link soul's is compatible with the full Triforce so that's why he is able to gain it more than once, SS storyline comfirms this with the trials and the making of the true Master Sword.
 
You didn't answer my question. Show me proof that Ganon was actually amped with the Triforce despite not wielding it.
 
Er, as I have actually played ALBW before, I'm on Glass' side here. The Triforce had been completely out of play for most of the game, except for the creation of Lorule. And Zelda and Link using it to restore Lorule after Link defeated Yuga was just them making a solitary wish with it. They never did anything else with it, plus I'm fairly sure it disappeared afterward.

This is like scaling King Daphnes Hyrule from WW to the Triforce because he used it to wish for Hyrule to disappear into the sea for all time. It was used as a tool, and hence, shouldn't qualify for an upgrade.
 
@Starter Pack

Thank you for helping out. I suppose that no upgrades are necessary then?
 
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said here that the mere fact that Ganondorf was it's owner it was maintaining the wish Ganondorf as made.

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also the Triforce said that Ganon was using it to build up power, this clearly shows that Ganon did not need to touch the Triforce to be empowered by it since it is fully autonomous.


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telling Link it's needs a new owner since Ganon isn't there anymore so his wish aren't useful anymore and he doesn't need to be amped up.

Like I said go see the ending, you can clearly see Ganon did not have the Triforce on him since it was in a other room and triforce clearly states that it was constantly building up Ganondorf's power through the game.

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Edit some screen shots don't won't to go through gonna take a bit of time to post all, and sorry for not having them in order (recommend seeing the ending) also like I said SS showed that any true welder of the Triforce can make a wish or be amped by it if they want to or not.

But link only made the wish of killing Demise while Ganondorf actively wished to be powered by it.
 
...And? Ganon had made a wish on the Triforce to be able to rule the Light World, and the Dark World was made because of it. And part of that wish was to grow stronger in order to do so, hence the statement of his power building up.

What part of that has to do with Zelda making a wish for Lorule to remain intact when it was going to disappear due to Ganon/Yuga getting destroyed? Growing to universal levels of power like Ganon doesn't help keep Lorule intact. It's never implied that anyone grows more powerful due to wielding the Triforce to save Lorule, and again, I'm pretty sure it disappeared soon afterward.

You still have yet to convince me that Zelda gets a legit power boost from the Triforce, rather than it just being used as a tool.
 
I'm not discussing the fact that Zelda gets a power boost I'm discussing the fact a triforce weilder does not need to have the Triforce on them to be empowered by it.

I was never really arguing the fact that Zelda had the power of the TF where the heck did you get that from??? I said it might be possible like me and TFOP1 agreed on its that it's way to vague for now.

Like 8 said I'm just arguing the fact that triforce was empowering Ganon when Theglassman12 said that he didn't believe that the TF had that ability to do it.
 
Why would it ever need to be implied when previous games shows what happen when you touch the triforce. What even is this agrument. This is like arguing a Belmont who has the vampire killer shouldn't haxscale to another belmont because "Oh he didn't show the hax there"

If Zelda could touch it without it dispersing then it'd be just like when Ganon touched it in ALTTP.
 
Starter Pack said:
It's never implied that anyone grows more powerful due to wielding the Triforce
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This is blatanly false on multiple levels. Ocarina of Time makes a big deal whenever Ganondorf himself just gets a single piece of the Triforce as it allowed his darkness to significantly improve and spread across Hyrule. There was a clear distinction made in that game to allow Ganondorf to become more powerful just from one single piece.

If we went by this idea, it'd literally be like saying that people who use the Infinity Gauntlet other than Thanos shouldn't be capable of using its abilities unlike him. It's a completely unfounded argument and goes against the very lore of Zelda itself with what you're trying to claim.
 
Okay, why is everyone using my words out of context? I literally said that it was never implied that anyone grew more powerful while wielding the Triforce to save Lorule!

I never said that it doesn't grant anyone power to anyone. I just stated that I didn't see how it would need to give anyone power to sustain Lorule.

Also, speaking to someone on Discord brought another thing to light. Zelda didn't have the Triforce sustain Lorule to prevent it from disappearing. It restored Lorule's own Triforce, which they had destroyed early on rather than sealing it as the Hyrulians did, and that was what prevented them from disappearing.
 
So I just ctrl + f'd "sustain" and you're the only one that said sustain, literally no one else on this thread I've seen has used the word "sustain".
 
I also said it remained intact, which, to me at least, is synonymous with "sustain."

I apologize if it caused confusion, but seriously, quit nitpicking at everything I have to say.
 
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