ZeedMillenniummon vs. YHVH

[Talonmask]

Since the previous thread has been dead for a very long time (2 months), I think it's about time it was remade.

A battle between two evil godlike beings.

Round 1: ZeedMillenniummo (At least 2-A) vs. Base YHVH

Round 2: ZeedMillenniummon (possibly High 2-A) vs. True Form YHVH

ZeedMillenniummon is bloodlusted

Victory is achieved by Death or KO


ZeedMillenniummo


YHVH

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Even at his strongest, Zeed is weaker than God. Granted, Zeed is still a pretty high tier 2-A character, being immensely if not infinitely stronger than other Multiversal threats (No other Multiversal threat really posed a threat to God, other than maybe Bagramon)

I think Zeed might be able to take it since he should have Mid-Godly Regenerationn (his weakest form has it, so shouldn't his strongest form have it too?) which should counter Voice of God.

 

[Tivanenk]

Erm, mid-godly Regenerationn is really not a problem for Voice of God since a lot of beings in SMT have mid-godly Regenerationn and some even have high-godly like Lucifer, who will keep coming back as long as spite exists.

YHVH is immensely powerful compared to other 2-As. In fact, he's immensely powerful to those who are immensely powerful to those who are immensely powerful compared to other 2-As. He's simply on a higher level.

Also, Abel already beat Zeed and he's < YHVH.

 

[GallantKnight_X]

If Abel beat zeedmillenniumon then why was it removed? Give actual reasons Tivanek. Zeed has resistance to a lot of hax, and high-end reality warping so he could pull of a win.

 

[Tivanenk]

Reality warping is a joke in SMT. Any mook god like Seth and Loki can warp up entire universes and they're low tiers. Zeed might have resistance to hax, but Voice of God is killing him, considering it can kill things like Satan, Lucifer, Aleph, etc. instantly. And no, mid-godly regen is not saving him, even if he has it, considering beings like Lucifer have even better regen.

 

[Tivanenk]

Oh, and also, YHVH has a speed advantage to boot.

 

[GallantKnight_X]

Zeedmillenniummon has also dominated several 2-A characters like the royal knights not even God could kill him. Is voice of God an existence erasure move? Zeed has resistance to conceptual manipulation. Sure YHVH has a slight speed advantage but what would voice of God do to Zeed?

 

[Reppuzan]

@Tivanenk

Omnipresent is only marginally more impressive that Immeasurable so it's not really a deciding factor in a fight.

The Word of God is described as an energy-type attack... which is literally just a snack for Zeed. The combined might of the Royal Knights, The Three Great Angels, and the Digimon Sovereigns did naught but to make it stronger.

Plus, the Regenerationn you described isn't on Lucifer's profile. So unless there's a scan you'd like to bring up...

 

[Tivanenk]

@Tivanenk
Omnipresent is only marginally more impressive that Immeasurable so it's not really a deciding factor in a fight.

The Word of God is described as an energy-type attack... which is literally just a snack for Zeed. The combined might of the Royal Knights, The Three Great Angels, and the Digimon Sovereigns did naught but to make it stronger.

Plus, the Regenerationn you described isn't on Lucifer's profile. So unless there's a scan you'd like to bring up...

When fights are close, such a speed difference makes a big deal in the fight since it's a very crucial factor.

Word of God is an energy attack? Only in the wiki description. I have never seen it described as one in the actual games. All it says is that YHVH let's out its voice and the character dies. Judging based on some SNES game effects is dumb. Also, it's NLF to assume it can devour attacks this strong.

Also, since Zeed doesn't have regen on its profile either, I technically don't even need fulfill your every fancy, especially since you seem to be one of those 'well, if it's not on the profile, then it's not applicable in the fight' guys. But, hey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXVK1D4GPOI (skip to 8:30)

 

[Reppuzan]

1) Do you have an official description because that'd be nice.

2) As Darkanine said, Zeed is able to revive itself when it dies, so not really helping. I'm going to add the regen he mentioned to Zeed's profile in a bit.

3) That's more Reliant Immortality than anything. Besides, I wasn't ordering you to do anything. We needed scans to confirm your statement. Did I word it poorly? I'm afraid I did, so I apologize. But the fact of the matter is, it is standard policy to abide by what's on the profiles since one side is likely to be unknown to the other.

Am I a huge hypocrite? Probably. Does that make your snippy attitude justified? Not even close.

But let's get back on point before this devolves into a petty argument between us.

 

[Tivanenk]

1) No, but when YHVH uses Voice of God in SMT IV Apocalypse, he only opens his mouth to say something and the damage is done.

2) If it dies, then YHVH wins the match through the death clause. And regen was never a problem in SMT, especially since YHVH can overwrite that regen with his conceptual manipulation.

YHVH has a speed advantage, he has a DC advantage (note that Zeed is only possibly High 2-A), has a hax advantage with Voice of God. YHVH wins in pretty much every category.

 

[GallantKnight_X]

What is voice of God and I mean by describing it's category in hax, because your wanking. Not to mention I already told you of his extreme resistance to many hax including conceptual manipulation. Slight speed advantage means nothing if he can't do anything major.

 

[Reppuzan]

1) Fair enough.

2) I'm still curious as to how the Word of God works, since the God Tier of Digimon couldn't destroy him despite creating every concept in the Digimon series. If it's Conceptual or Life and Death Manipulation, I'd think that Zeed will be able to tank it.

3) Zeed has extreme resistance to Conceptual Manipulation (couldn't be erased by God) so having its Regenerationn taken away is a non-possibility.

 

[Tivanenk]

I'm wanking? Show me when Zeed had ever resisted something like Voice of God.

 

[Tivanenk]

What is voice of God and I mean by describing it's category in hax, because your wanking. Not to mention I already told you of his extreme resistance to many hax including conceptual manipulation. Slight speed advantage means nothing if he can't do anything major.

God shouts, releasing his voice and instantly killing the foe that has the lowest amount of intelligence in your party. SMT IV Apocalypse also gave him some more insta-kill moves and near insta-kill moves, as well as moves that can deny you any moves as well.

 

[Reppuzan]

My only problem with the death clause is that it renders auto-resurrect hax moot.

It's fine and dandy if one is able to kill someone. But if they instantly come back it's not really going to go anywhere, is it?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Death Clause is only a thing on people who it would be absolutely impossible to permanently kill, normally due to bs reasons.

 

[Reppuzan]

Which applies to both parties here. Lovely.

Nevertheless, how frequently does YHVH use this attack? I find it hard to believe that he could have lost if he could just kill the competition by shouting at them.

 

[MagiSinbad]

Reality warping is a joke in SMT. Any mook god like Seth and Loki can warp up entire universes and they're low tiers. Zeed might have resistance to hax, but Voice of God is killing him, considering it can kill things like Satan, Lucifer, Aleph, etc. instantly. And no, mid-godly regen is not saving him, even if he has it, considering beings like Lucifer have even better regen.

although i'm not gonna participate the debate ( given how much hate i have for this "High 2-A" YHVH) but this part is wrong. the "each powerful demon has a universe surround them" thingy is from Megami Tensei, which is not even a part of Shin Megami Tensei franchise. What's more ? Seth is not a weakling, he is Satan's strongest fragment and probally the one holding most of Satan's power (And you already know how strong is Satan ).

 

[Tivanenk]

Which applies to both parties here. Lovely.
Nevertheless, how frequently does YHVH use this attack? I find it hard to believe that he could have lost if he could just kill the competition by shouting at them.

That's mainly because the SMT II party had 6 members, so whenever he killed someone, then he can be replaced with reserve Demons. And he would use it at least once per turn in SMT II. In SMT IVA, he began to spam it once around half the YHVHs were killed off.

 

[MagiSinbad]

Which applies to both parties here. Lovely.
Nevertheless, how frequently does YHVH use this attack? I find it hard to believe that he could have lost if he could just kill the competition by shouting at them.

in SMT 2, you have totally 5 demon in your party and voice of god can hit only one of them, if the protagonist got hit by the voice of god. It would considered as a game over

 

[BruceTheBatman]

I.. Honestly don't know. These 2 are very well matched.

Waiting for arguments, initial bets on YHVH after a REALLY difficult fight

 

[GallantKnight_X]

so voice of god is an OHK move?

 

[FateAlbane]

I'm not taking part into this, but I'll just put YHVH's powers in more or less of a perspective here.

There's Metatron. Who is at least 2-A. Then there's Bel, who ROFL on the presence of Metatron. Then there's YHVH, who in base already ROFLstomped Bel at full power and divided him like he was a jigsaw puzzle.

Then there's SMT Final where he takes on Flynn (who defeated both Merkabah and Lucifer), Walter, Jonathan, Nanashi(who is likely High 2-A) and Isabeau. ALL AT ONCE. On his base form.

Then he transforms to this other form.

And voice of God has been shown one shotting other 2-A beings. Storywise, it also makes sense that YHVH can do that in SMT, considering where he stands in the hierarchy of power there (could it One Shot Zeed as well? Beats me). As for what the skill is all about, it should be considered of the "almighty" property. It's a hax in SMT which ignores all sorts of resistance, absorption, immunity, reflection and stuff; in verse.

Hope that helps.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I honestly have NO idea who wins. I know who I want to win, but who's gonna is a different story.

 

[Reppuzan]

@FateAlbane

Zeed casually stomped all thirteen Royal Knights (who are all 2-A at their peak) along with the Digimon Sovereigns (who are responsible for the entire Digital World's space-time and can deconstruct it whenever they want), and the Three Great Angels (extensions of God's will).

Arguments like those aren't helping.

 

[FateAlbane]

Look, 2-A tier is, in a single word, vast. As we all know, for that reason, there are 2-A beings who can stomp other 2-A beings.

For that matter, dominating a number of 2-A is qualitatively inferior to stomping a 2-A, who stomps a 2-A, who stomps a 2-A and so on. And taking on a bunch of 2-A's who beat other 2-As, along with at least one "Likely High 2-A" amongst them.

Am I saying Zeed loses or gets stomped? Absolutely not.

Like I said, I'm not even taking part on the debate. I tried to clarify about YHVH to clear the confusion on both his power lvl and how the voice of God hax works, as that seemed to be a topic which was generating confusion here.

 

[Reppuzan]

Sorry, it's just that I hate arguments like "X stomped so and so, therefore he is stronger than Y".

So the Voice of God is pretty effective, okay then. Thanks for the input.

 

[FateAlbane]

Oh, yeah, the power lvl reasoning. lol And no worries, When it comes to who wins, I'm on the same boat as Cal here, more or less. I have no idea.

 

[Tivanenk]

The thing about SMT is that they have a boatload of more 2-As than Digimon does, one stomping the other, and YHVH is king of this hierarchy. YHVH is also on the high scale of 2-A since he managed to fight and survive two likely High 2-As (potentially 3) before he was forced to undergo True Form.

 

[Reppuzan]

Zeed is also on the high end of 2-A for stomping other 2-As who have all of SMT's hax.

Besides, your third point only applies for Round 2.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I vote Zeed since he has fought 2-A beings who have hax equal to YHVH. One big one is the Royal Knights like Magnamon, Alphamon, Omegamon and Jesmon who all have pretty OP hax even for SMT standards.

 

[Tivanenk]

I vote Zeed since he has fought 2-A beings who have hax equal to YHVH. One big one is the Royal Knights like Magnamon, Alphamon, Omegamon and Jesmon who all have pretty OP hax even for SMT standards.

I highly doubt any of them have one hit kill hax that bypasses durability, reflection, immunities, absorption, etc.

Nor has Zeed ever faced someone as great as YHVH who can hold his own against 2-3 High 2-As for a bit.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Who are these people? Gallantmon bypasses durability. Magnamon can create miracles. Jesmon can make himself immune to anything for awhile. Omegamon has existence eraser, Alphamon has AlphaInforce. Imperialdramon has existence Eraser. You were saying?

Zeed has faced God who created the very Concepts of the Digital World and given the fact that Zeed can resist Conceptual Manipulation then I don't see YHVH winning this fight. Heck Zeed has Conceptual Manipulation in which YHVH does not seem to have a defense for. Zeed has the ability to make the unlikely likely. And Can break down and absorb nearly attack, life forms, and the very fabric of space-time to bolster its power.

 

[Tivanenk]

Conceptual manipulation is nothing. Most of the SMT verse can manipulate and destroy concepts easily, and manipulate fate and probability (we're not going to say that the Moirae sisters are stronger than YHVH, are we?) So yeah, conceptual manipulation is not a problem for high tiers in SMT. Voice of God is. Show me at least one instance where Zeed resists something on the level of Voice of God.

Not to mention that I have already shown that YHVH has a speed and DC advantage at least, since his Voice of God was even working on High 2-As in SMT IVA, and even in base form, he was facing these High 2-As.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yet his base form is only 2-A meaning that it as of now is an outlier and does not count for this fight.

 

[Tivanenk]

What do you mean outlier? It's one of his only fights, it can't be an outlier. It just means that he's up there. Oh, and he's at least 2-A so it's not outlierish.

Yeah, and...? Voice of God is not existential erasure, so what is your point?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

It means that it is an outlier in his base for as High 2-A's should have stomped him.

It's death manipulation right? Something that means it really won't do much to Zeed seeing as he could not be killed by God, a being similar to YHVH. A fact you have ignored. You keep bringing up the fact that he fought 2-3 High 2-A beings. Who are they? All I see is Nanashi and he killed YHVH and Zeed has the same abilities as him and then some. Plus Voice of God didn't kill him meaning it could not work on High 2-A beings. And you say he fought them for only a while before being sealed meaning he couldn't do much. Zeed fought God who is very similar to YHVH and only got sealed. The same God who controls the concepts of the Digital World including death and existence. Heck Zeed's Reality Warping is stronger.

 

[Tivanenk]

It just means he's so high in his base that he is either very near or at High 2-A level (since he's at least 2-A)

Nanashi is High 2-A, Flynn is High 2-A, and probably Dagda is High 2-A. And YHVH was only able to be killed by combining two Godkillers and Dagda's power. When YHVH went True Form, he was able to fight more or less evenly against them. So he basically fought 2-3 High 2-As fairly evenly as a High 2-A... Yeah, God from Digimon isn't at that high of a level, considering he's only at 2-A with a possible for High 2-A. Saying YHVH can't put him down because of God is NLF, since God is quite clearly below a True Form YHVH.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Tivanenk

For the record, High 2-A characters are infinitely more powerful than 2-A characters (since our definition of them is reserved for 5-D Characters). So no, it is an outlier.