ZeedMillenniummon vs. YHVH

[Tivanenk]

@Reppuzan

You're pretty much calling one of the only YHVH appearances at outlier, which is very laughable to be honest. Do note that YHVH in base is At least 2-A, and not 2-A. Also, base YHVH doesn't really matter in this fight in the first place.

 

[Reppuzan]

Well, it is round one, so it does in fact matter.

Zeed is also At least 2-A, as God is implied to reside in higher-dimensional space that is beyond the rest of the denizens of the Digital World. So we're back to square one.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

The "YHVH ROFLstops other 2-As" argument can be made for Zeed as well. God ROFLstomped Daemon, who has an infinite number of avatars who he is infinitely stronger than. His strongest known avatars are 2-A. Daemon is a pretty mid tier Demon Lord and God is above ALL of the Demon Lords except for maybe Lucemon. Zeed scales to God.

 

[Tivanenk]

@Reppuzan, I'm pretty sure this win will be based on their High 2-A versions, since Zeed doesn't have split forms.

OK, but Voice of God was working on Nanashi and Flynn, as well as Aleph, who are High 2-As, and at least 2-A respectively. So he's shown that it will work on that level.

And Nanashi has shown to have resistance against death inducement since he fought Odin and his Gungnir which induces death.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

1) Flynn is only "At least 2-A"https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Flynn_(Shin_Megami_Tensei) which means he is still infinitely weaker than a High 2-A same with YHVH. We can't assume he's any closer to High-2-A. So that point is invalid.

2) Base YHVH does matter as that is literally what round 1 is about. "Round 1: ZeedMillenniummon (At least 2-A) vs. Base YHVH"

3) NLF? Dude you are reaching. Answer me, How is God himself an NLF? Possibly and Likely are both pretty much the same category. And you are reaching since your points contradict what you say and so does the tiering system.

 

[Tivanenk]

1) Flynn is only "At least 2-A"https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Flynn_(Shin_Megami_Tensei) which means he is still infinitely weaker than a High 2-A same with YHVH. We can't assume he's any closer to High-2-A. So that point is invalid.
2) Base YHVH does matter as that is literally what round 1 is about. "Round 1: ZeedMillenniummon (At least 2-A) vs. Base YHVH"

3) NLF? Dude you are reaching. Answer me, How is God himself an NLF? Possibly and Likely are both pretty much the same category. And you are reaching since your points contradict what you say and so does the tiering system.

1) Outdated profile. The only reason the change wasn't made yet was because the game wasn't released yet in NA so we're waiting until then to make changes. However, he is Nanashi's equal, and one of the two Godkillers that is necessary to kill YHVH. You can ask anybody like Matt Schroeder who also went through the game's story and he'll confirm.

2) Sorry, but the win will be based on the High 2-A stuff. You wanna know why? Because the same Zeed is used for both battles.

3) Nope. Likely is on a higher scale of confirmation than Possibly. Look it up in the Tier Rules.

 

[Reppuzan]

1) Then we need someone to make the changes since we can't go around with outdated profiles if we have the details we need.

2) Unsealed Zeed is hell of a lot stronger than Sealed Zeed, so no, not really.

3) This, I'll agree on. That said, I'm leaning towards changing Zeed and God to likely High 2-A due to the statements mentioned in Cyber Sleuth.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

1) What Reppu said.

2) Same Zeed, the first Zeed is Sealed.

3)Very true, dunno what I was thinking. Shouldn't Zeed and God be at Likely as well? @Reppu.

 

[Tivanenk]

How about we actually close this battle for a month until SMT IVA comes out in the West, fully translated, we get to know all the details, and we can upgrade Flynn to High 2-A?

Then we can continue with all the cards revealed on the table.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I guess we can.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

It's up to Reppu.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I don't get how "possibly" makes Zeed a weaker 2-A then others, he's only "possibly" 2-A due to kinda vague statement about the Digital World being 5-6 D. I guess closing it til Final comes out is fine.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

^Same

 

[The_Everlasting]

@Reppuzan
You're pretty much calling one of the only YHVH appearances at outlier, which is very laughable to be honest. Do note that YHVH in base is At least 2-A, and not 2-A. Also, base YHVH doesn't really matter in this fight in the first place.

High 2-A is literally infinitely above 2-A, YHVH surviving blows from them is literally impossible and can't be anything other than an outlier (Besides his transformed state).

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Okay, this is really close, but I'm voting YHVH high diff. His scaling iver other 2-A's seems slightly greater than Zeeds, hes slightly faster, and he seems to have more hax from what I'm reading.

My vote goes to YHVH, albeit quite shakily

 

[Zianmoon2]

Yay this topic isn't dead! My stance on who wins this fight is exactly the same, YHVH wins(Old post has all of my stuff). I do agree with waiting for the game to release to get specifics. One of my biggest questions is, if Nanashi and Flynn are High 2-A, are the rest of the party High 2-A as well simply because they can damage YHVH, who is High 2-A. Then there's steven.................. who took Nanashi, his party, and all of the other 1-4 protagonists to fight.

 

[Reppuzan]

So the current crux of YHVH's side is:

"YHVH fought two outliers in his base form and therefore will stomp Zeed."

Alright then...

By the way, since Nanashi and Flynn are the Godslayers as you stated, I doubt the other party members would get the scaling as they were not chosen by the Great Will to finish off YHVH.

 

[Tivanenk]

So the current crux of YHVH's side is:
"YHVH fought two outliers in his base form and therefore will stomp Zeed."

Alright then...

By the way, since Nanashi and Flynn are the Godslayers as you stated, I doubt the other party members would get the scaling as they were not chosen by the Great Will to finish off YHVH.

I personally don't give any other party members this scaling other than Nanashi's demon Dagda, because the rest of the members who fought get slaughtered by Nanashi and Flynn very easily in the Massacre route, so they're just supporting members with no relevance other than that they're cheerleaders.

I think Dagda gets the scaling because you use his power in the Massacre Route to permanently kill YHVH even with his High-Godly regen (in the Bonds Route, Dagda's slain if I remember right and YHVH is only put down for some period of time before he revives again).

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Do you guys still want the thread closed until Final/Apocalypse comes out or nah?

 

[Tivanenk]

I think it's probably best to close it until 9/20 when I pick up my pre-ordered copy and go through the main two routes.