Yuuki Kagurazaka Downgrade

[Elizhaa]

I asked them. Personally, after reviewing the thread, I am fine with the downgrade. I think his High 3-A stats should be replace with a solid High 4-C.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

I'm fine with either optiions also is EoS Yuuki key really nessecary if we decide it to be High 4-C?

 

[Elizhaa]

I'm fine with either optiions also is EoS Yuuki key really nessecary if we decide it to be High 4-C?

I just checked; out is not necessary. Ross Yukki key is fine if it is deleted.

 

[Antvasima]

Celestial Pegasus makes a very good point.

 

[Overlord775]

@Elizhaa

Because of Neutron Stars the last key would be 4-B, so it's necessary to keep it

 

[Elizhaa]

I will be honest, I do feel of iffy. High 4-C to 4-B is still being a big jump in thousands in AP. If we are not seeing destroying celestial bodies as outliers or Inconsistencies Yuuki and Guy and as a valid feat, Yuuki and Gii's last tier might as well be updated to Low 2-C; I will explain why soon.

I asked Sera and the translation of Yuuki's feat in the raws looks to be a solid Low 2-C so Yuuki and Gii's last key looks to be Low 2-C.

I vaguely remember that Yuuki's High 3-A tier was choosen to not be a high-ball compared to Low 2-C, at that time; if the tier standard had change around later 2018, Yuuki would likely have have being Low 2-C. Since translation the translation of the feat looks Low 2-C, I don't mind a upgrade either to Low 2-C either on the non-outlier/non-inconsistencies points.

If destroying destroying celestial bodies are outliers or inconsistencies, like Ceslestial Pegasus's points look to support, Yuuki and Gii might as welll lose their last key.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Lol, Low 2-C? How did an upgrade come from a downgrade?

 

[Elizhaa]

Lol, Low 2-C? How did an upgrade come from a downgrade?

Low 2-C was a high-ball around the time his last tier was update; his tier could easily being Low 2-C had the tiering standard had being updated. The raw translation look suggest he is Low 2-C, too.

 

[Overlord775]

Destorying part of space-.time is not Low 2-C, it was decided so in the post i've linked in the OP

What Sera said is wrong

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

If there are still disagreements, then 4-B, likely Low 2-C could work. Still neutral.

 

[Overlord775]

Destroying part of space-time is not Low 2-C, it was decided so in the post i've linked in the OP
What Sera said is wrong

^^^^^^^^^

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Relax, you ninja'd me.

 

[Elizhaa]

Destroying part of space-time is not Low 2-C, it was decided so in the post i've linked in the OP
What Sera said is wrong

^^^^^^^^^

Yuuki looks to be Low 2-C from the new tiering system here:

Low 2-C | Universe level+: Characters who are capable of significantly affecting, creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely sized 3-dimensional expanse. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are space-time continua of an universal scale, though it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

How on earth did this go from a downgrade to an upgrade?

Yuuki destroyed parts of the space-time continua not the entire thing.

 

[Elizhaa]

So, Sera doesn't look wrong.

 

[Overlord775]

That's clear Appeal to Authorithy you are doing there Elizhaa

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I don't think so.

 

[Elizhaa]

I am not doing an appeal to authority here. I asked Sera to help check with translation since she should be fluent Japanese and from her perpective, the feat looks to be Low 2-C. Sera is also familar with the tiering system. The new tiering sytem looks to support a Low 2-C upgrade.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

How on earth did this go from a downgrade to an upgrade?
Yuuki destroyed parts of the space-time continua not the entire thing.

Nope, it's stated that he did destroy it.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yuuki didn't destroy the entire universe, if he did Ciel wouldn't have been able to witness the end of the universe.

Again Yuuki destroyed parts of ths space-time continua, not the entire universal thing.

This isn't a Low 2-C feat.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

That's right. We were hurled to beyond space and time due to Yuuki's attack. The lifespan of the planet has already ended a long time ago, but the collapse of the world hasn't yet been reached. From that I deduced, Yuuki probably couldn't destroy the world itself yet. When he was at the phase where he destroyed the celestial bodies as well as the space-time continuum, I presume that Yuuki's lifespan had come to an end. However, I can't judge whether his wish was fulfilled or not. After that, we wandered around as we drifted in the space and I witnessed the end of this universe.

It was pretty well established that Rimuru was far beyond Yuuki, hence him being BFR'd. Him watching the end of the universe was because he tanked it's destruction, hence the fact that Ciel stated they were drifting in space while Rimuru was asleep and she witnessed the end of the universe. This goes with his infinite too, because if didn't destroy it all Rimuru's speed should be downgraded, since the Spirit of Time wouldn't exist.

 

[Overlord775]

@Elizhaa

She didn't even provide a traslation for it, so i don't really thrust what she is saying

also, you didn't even told her of the possibility of it being unquantifiable, so that may have compromised her responce

 

[Overlord775]

@Millly

The spirit of time simply died after Yuuki did

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

How?? Spirits are quite literally stated to be immortal, how in the world would one, especially one that has been governing a concept since the beginning of the verse just die??

 

[Overlord775]

Yuuki is also Immortal and yet he died of old age

 

[Elizhaa]

I guess what;s CP said makes sense if Yuuki didn't destroy even all space-time; I went to make my own translations online and I feel the text was too vague, to me. I am fine if we disregard Low 2-C.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

The Slime WN is filled with inconsistencies, there's no way for a spritual lifeform to die of physical means.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

@Milly It's stated multiple times Yukki couldn't destroy the world, your own quote says that,

That's right. We were hurled to beyond space and time due to Yuuki's attack. The lifespan of the planet has already ended a long time ago, but the collapse of the world hasn't yet been reached. From that I deduced, Yuuki probably couldn't destroy the world itself yet. When he was at the phase where he destroyed the celestial bodies as well as the space-time continuum, I presume that Yuuki's lifespan had come to an end. However, I can't judge whether his wish was fulfilled or not. After that, we wandered around as we drifted in the space and I witnessed the end of this universe.

In addition the world still existed when Rimuru got bfr'ed hence Ciel could witness the end of the universe while there.

What's the spirit of time have anything to do with anything here? It died when the universe died cause it's already been established that when the universe goes boom it's cause a new spirit was born that destroys everything including the other spirits.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

>space-time continua

Is it not continuum? ^^;

 

[Overlord775]

there's no way for a spritual lifeform to die of physical means.

Friendly reminded that Veldora can die because of a lack of magicoules

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

That is not physical.

 

[Overlord775]

magicoules are physical tho

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

How could they drift around and witness the end of the universe, if Yuuki already destroyed it is my question?

In the same quotes it says 2 times Yuuki didn't destroy the world then says when he was at the phase where he destroyed the celestial bodies as well as the space-time continuum, he died, and after this Rimuru and Ciel wandered around space and witnessed the end of the universe.

He clearly couldn't destroy the universe.

 

[WHYNAUT]

It is very clear that Yuuki is not Low 2-C, yes.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Well, guess not.

 

[Elizhaa]

Yeah, he is not Low 2-C; the new tier in the OP is fine, with me.

 

[Qliphoth_Bacikal]

Yeah I'm really not seeing this as Low 2-C. It saying he was destroying celestial bodies, and that's a pretty broad range of that which does includes stars, and the space time continuum yet it's said more than once that he couldn't destroy it all is exactly what Celestial has said already.

 

[Overlord775]

ok, so it seems we have reached an agreement and i think it's fine if we now change EoS Yuuki and Gii's tier to 4-B (694 Foes)

 

[Antvasima]

I have to unsubscribe from this thread due to time constraints. You can notify me later via my message wall if you need my help after you have reached a conclusion.

 

[The_Causality]

I don't know how Low 2-C was still argued when the Quotes say that he literally didn't destroyed the Universe Overtime.

That's clearly High 4-C to 4-B.