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Yuta & Maki vs 15f Sukuna
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MinatoSparkle
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Sukuna, but probably not too one-sided before Sukuna brings out Malevolent Shrine, at which point there's really nothing they can do
EldemadeDityjon
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If he sees Maki I think he would get serious and kills Yuta with cleave instantly to play with her lol. Because of his craze for HR.
MinatoSparkle
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It's getting broken from outside
Idt he's a blitz tier above EoS Yuta
EldemadeDityjon
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We all saw how Yuta was holding up against a domain-less and low RCT Sukuna, even with Yuji dropping his CT output. You must be joking if you think Yuta can hold his own against Sukuna with a Domain and better RCT than what we saw in the Shinjuku Showdown.
He should also be able to adapt to SSK damage, considering he's already in Yuji's body and can perceive his soul. Not to mention, if he gets locked in, he has a higher chance of entering the BF zone.
Even if Yuta can Shrink his own Domain barriers Sukuna can still just change his domain conditions and break them.
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It should be able to tank it for several minutes.
It'll be Maki, Yuta and Rika on his ass. And Yuta did well in that fight?
If you mean rct from the SSK then yeah, idk what else you could mean. But the ssk is still gonna severely harm him and we see even then RCTing from it has its issues
He already changed the conditions against Gojo to negate sure hit inside to increase the damage outside and when Gojo did the small one it still took almost 3min for Sukuna to break it. They should be able to beat up Sukuna or do enough damage to stop the Domain while Yuta's is still up.
MinatoSparkle
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Is EoS Yuta accepted as being able to use the shrunken barrier he could in Gojo's body?
Nah it is since it was able to kill Ryu who's more durable than Yuta
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There's no explicit power comparison between 15/16F Sukuna and his post-238 weakened self, but he says he should be able to do to Yuta and Yuji what he did to Ryu, so he's probably around that same level in both instances, meaning there shouldn't be a blitz here. I think it's a matter of him locking in
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According to a Sukuna who is maybe around the 16F threshold, he should be able to do it with a Cleave to the head
The argument is whether Yuta and Maki can kill Sukuna in the 3 minutes after the domain clash happens (a domain clash is fairly likely here)
EldemadeDityjon
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Put me on for Sukuna if this is not a stomp.
Also, Yuji was dropping Sukuna's output. Lmao, you’re acting like Maki can do the same? Nothing changes except that Sukuna will remain at the same strength throughout their fight, while Maki will be taking damage from him. Only Yuta and Rika can heal themselves, and Sukuna still has better efficiency and CE storage overall.
Yuta can at best Open his Domain twice nothing more.
Why wouldn’t he block the SSK like he did in the Shinjuku Showdown if he learns how it works? Also, let’s not forget Sukuna was still functioning even after taking soul damage. Once Sukuna understands the mechanics, all he needs to do is dodge it and wait for his soul to adapt to RCT.
There hasn't been any statements for 3min is needed for Sukuna to break the basketball domain it's your headcanon. Sukuna never tried to break it inside it's Gojo's own words and it's canon.
Maki doesn’t have the regeneration needed to survive Sukuna's slashes continuously like Yuji did.
Yuta isn’t doing anything on his own when he barely managed with Yuji around, who was dropping Sukuna's output throughout the fight and still ended up getting cooked.
Yuta did well because Yuji also had RCT, so he didn’t have to worry about getting slashed to pieces. Meanwhile, Maki doesn’t have significant regeneration and needs to watch out for Sukuna slashing his gf.
Also, Yuji was dropping Sukuna's output. Lmao, you’re acting like Maki can do the same? Nothing changes except that Sukuna will remain at the same strength throughout their fight, while Maki will be taking damage from him. Only Yuta and Rika can heal themselves, and Sukuna still has better efficiency and CE storage overall.
Yuta can at best Open his Domain twice nothing more.
It had issues at the beginning, but once he adapted, he healed in an instant. Plus, Yuji isn’t here to drop Sukuna’s RCT output. I already mentioned that Sukuna has a higher chance of hitting BF because of Maki’s presence and the excitement it brings him.
Why wouldn’t he block the SSK like he did in the Shinjuku Showdown if he learns how it works? Also, let’s not forget Sukuna was still functioning even after taking soul damage. Once Sukuna understands the mechanics, all he needs to do is dodge it and wait for his soul to adapt to RCT.
We’ve already gone over this thousands of times, Arkenis. Sukuna was using Mahoraga to adapt to Gojo's UV—chapter 230 clearly states that. In chapter 228, Gojo himself questions why Sukuna hasn’t been changing the barriers. Again, in the chapter with Yujo vs. Sukuna, Sukuna says he would break the domain, unlike in Gojo’s case.
There hasn't been any statements for 3min is needed for Sukuna to break the basketball domain it's your headcanon. Sukuna never tried to break it inside it's Gojo's own words and it's canon.
They would get beaten up, not that they should be able to beat him up.
Maki doesn’t have the regeneration needed to survive Sukuna's slashes continuously like Yuji did.
Yuta isn’t doing anything on his own when he barely managed with Yuji around, who was dropping Sukuna's output throughout the fight and still ended up getting cooked.
MinatoSparkle
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Tbf, Yuta was using Incomplete Rika
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Gonna point out that even if Sukuna gets too injured he does still have the full incarnation as a back up so they're effectively fighting Sukuna with a double health bar
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Yuta's jumping partner loses notable regen. However, Maki does make up for it with much higher stats and the ability to block slashes with the katana. Also the katana in general
EldemadeDityjon
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Maki ain't blocking all of the slashes with SSK if Sukuna pulls up danmaku like this or something like he did with Kashimo. She would getting damaged continuously if one were to argue she wouldn't die from these.
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Yeah, the stakes for Yuta and Maki here are David vs Goliath. Sukuna can potentially outlast them
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If Maki can endure Cleave (admittedly from a further weakened Sukuna), then just one barrage isn't gonna wear her down
Tho again, that second health bar is looking pretty daunting for the two
Tho again, that second health bar is looking pretty daunting for the two
MinatoSparkle
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She definitely wouldn't die, it'd be similar to this (though probably somewhat more severe)Maki ain't blocking all of the slashes with SSK if Sukuna pulls up danmaku like this or something like he did with Kashimo. She would getting damaged continuously if one were to argue she wouldn't die from these.
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How long can Sukuna maintain control over Yuji's body in this instance?
EldemadeDityjon
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I think 1 hour iirc
EldemadeDityjon
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She definitely wouldn't die, it'd be similar to this (though probably somewhat more severe)
I don't see her durability superior to other heavy hitters
Arkenis
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Yeah EOS is the one who can do it after all.
That is 15f Sukuna after he got stronger so I don't think so.
What does Yuji having rct matter for Yuta?
I just don't think the drop is great enough to matter. I'm not acting like anything. Just one stab or slash from the SSK and Sukuna has to rct while he's still being jumped by all three.
That excitement is only after he ran through everyone that was interesting so I don't think it'll happen here.
Maki can sneak up on him while in the domain. It's gonna be hard dodging if Rika just holds him down, or if he's getting jumped by Yuta and Rika.
It's got nothing to do with headcanon. Sukuna was attacking the domain from the outside for 3 minutes and it finally broke. Never said anything about a need, just reading what's happening.
The manga pushes this three minute timeframe consistently, but if you think Sukuna saying that means its not true okay.
Why wouldn't they be able to beat him up, its three people all on his level of speed and power? Maki can dodge and block the slashes. Again I don't think the output drop was anything substantial in regards to Yuta, we saw Yuta fighting Sukuna before Yuji stepped in outside domain and he seemed to well.
Indefinitely.
Should be able to tank all those or just move out the way.
She tanked two bf. She has the superior durability.
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You are way off. It was around 10:51 PM to 11:14. Sukuna has about 23 minutes to work with
MinatoSparkle
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I mean...she kinda tanks a Cleave to the face and takes no damage from the slashes that hit her stomach right before Kusakabe and Ino jumped him
I don't see her durability superior to other heavy hitters
I'm asking if it's accepted on his profile that he can do it after leaving Gojo's body
15 and 16F Sukuna are just keyed together in strength
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It's a matter of being able to imagine a space that small, so Yuta should absolutely be able to do it since he experienced it himself
MinatoSparkle
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You need to take into account that you can only argue based on what's accepted on profiles with VSBW matches
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I see enough time to open domain multiple times.
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EldemadeDityjon
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Her taking a cleave to the face is headcanon. I know which scene you're referring to—it was Sukuna's fingers digging into her. You can check the scene again, and you'll understand what I mean. Her taking slashes from a heavily weakened Sukuna isn't a good argument for her durability being superior to other heavy hitters either.
EldemadeDityjon
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I already explained this you are just ignoring the arguments
You’re just being dishonest at this point if you honestly think the drop isn’t significant.
Hakari even confirmed that the Sukuna who emerged from Yuta's Domain and the Sukuna who transformed during the Kashimo fight had a noticeable difference. They could possibly take on the currently weakened Sukuna, while he was worried about fighting the Sukuna who defeated Kashimo (technically referring to the Sukuna who had good stats before Yuji and Yuta's team reduced them).
Show me the scan for this.
Unless they create similar situation like in Shinjuku I don't see any form of sneak attack
Rika never had the stats to hold a perfectly healthy Sukuna, which is why they needed to weaken him by dropping his output before having her hold him down. In fact, it was tough for Yuta, Yuji, and Rika together to hold him down. So, this argument of yours holds no weight.
I already sent chapter 228 scan from Gojo who is more credible than these side lookers.
It's got nothing to do with headcanon. Sukuna was attacking the domain from the outside for 3 minutes and it finally broke. Never said anything about a need, just reading what's happening.
Sukuna says he can break the Domain within 3 minutes. Gojo also questions why he's taking a riskier path for 3 minutes without breaking it.
Your argument that Sukuna needs exactly 3 minutes to break the Domain is headcanon. There's no set timing for that—he could break it even faster if he wanted to. It's just a matter of whether he chooses to do so or not.
I already addressed the output drop arguments above.
Yuta fighting Sukuna, who wasn’t serious outside the Domain, seems like a funny argument. If that’s the case, then why didn’t he just negged Sukuna inside the Domain, even when both his hands were tied down with HWB?
Maki isn’t blocking all of the danmaku slashes either. At this point, you’re just glazing. She was even blasted away by a normal Dismantle into some buildings during Shinjuku showdown when she tried blocking it with her SSK. Sukuna can always create gaps between the three of them.
Three people with the same power jumping on Sukuna to beat him up? (You haven't proved they are on Same level as Sukuna) What kind of argument is that? She couldn’t even handle 10% of 16F Sukuna, yet you’re acting like they can beat him when he’s perfectly healthy at 15F. Also, Yuta, Yuji, and Rika already tried this and failed.
While Sukuna has counter to SSK with either DA or him covering his body with the slashes.
Nice headcanons with no arguments for her dodging danmaku of slashes which would cover large area.
Tanked
Survived 
- First one she was out of commission for a while
- Second one was weakened to the point even Choso survived the next BF from that weakened version of Sukuna.
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Honestly not entirely seeing how Maki helps that much in this fight. Her SSK stabs can just get healed (I mean he pretty much instantly healed it the second he got RCT back) or outright blocked with dismantles/chainsaw dismantles and a Sukuna with at most 10% output was able to keep up with her. She can't perform sneak attacks cause Sukuna can sense the katana and it was outright stated the sneak attack she did pull after Yuta's domain wouldn't have worked under normal circumstances.
Other than that, it's kind of just the Yuta vs Sukuna fight again with just a swap of Yuji with Maki. Thing is there also isn't Yuji there to weaken Sukuna so his attacks are gonna hit harder and Yuta won't be able to weaken him further with JL cause Sukuna's own domain is nullifying the sure-hit so a cleave is going to be lethal if it hits Yuta (Sukuna outright says this) and really damaging if it hits Maki or Rika. Combine that with full incarnation if he thinks he'll get overwhelmed or if he thinks he'll take too much damage to maintain his domain to pretty much instantly recover and stop his domain from failing and I think Sukuna should take it.
Other than that, it's kind of just the Yuta vs Sukuna fight again with just a swap of Yuji with Maki. Thing is there also isn't Yuji there to weaken Sukuna so his attacks are gonna hit harder and Yuta won't be able to weaken him further with JL cause Sukuna's own domain is nullifying the sure-hit so a cleave is going to be lethal if it hits Yuta (Sukuna outright says this) and really damaging if it hits Maki or Rika. Combine that with full incarnation if he thinks he'll get overwhelmed or if he thinks he'll take too much damage to maintain his domain to pretty much instantly recover and stop his domain from failing and I think Sukuna should take it.
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Maki absolutely has the most durability. Her body being Strong 
is her whole MO
That aside, I can see either side winning this
Yuta, Rika and Maki working side by side without having to worry about back up plans and saving full power for Gojo's body can definitely do enough damage to Sukuna who NEEDS cleave to the head to take them down.
Yuta's domain should be able to withstand Sukuna's and if he manages to land JL, they win.
For Sukuna, he needs to land either a cleave to their respective heads or land Furnace.
The cleave to the head is viable but it won't be a blitz one shot and would definitely be hard fought.
I don't see Furnace playing any kind of role as Sukuna would need to lower his Domain effective range to deal with Yuta's from the outside and that'll stop Furnace from showing up.
Sukuna would easily adapt to SSK damage but the point is that he'll still need to adapt. A well timed assassination from Maki who can easily blend in and leave his detection range would absolutely **** up Sukuna and set up for a decisive blow.
The biggest issue is whether or not Sukuna can take on his Heian form.
If he can then I don't see them winning as he'll get a full body restore and I don't see them pushing him that far without using most of their abilities and strategies either.
TL;DR if Sukuna cannot reincarnate, I see the power couple taking this 6/10 times. And if he can? I don't see them winning at all.
is her whole MOThat aside, I can see either side winning this
Yuta, Rika and Maki working side by side without having to worry about back up plans and saving full power for Gojo's body can definitely do enough damage to Sukuna who NEEDS cleave to the head to take them down.
Yuta's domain should be able to withstand Sukuna's and if he manages to land JL, they win.
For Sukuna, he needs to land either a cleave to their respective heads or land Furnace.
The cleave to the head is viable but it won't be a blitz one shot and would definitely be hard fought.
I don't see Furnace playing any kind of role as Sukuna would need to lower his Domain effective range to deal with Yuta's from the outside and that'll stop Furnace from showing up.
Sukuna would easily adapt to SSK damage but the point is that he'll still need to adapt. A well timed assassination from Maki who can easily blend in and leave his detection range would absolutely **** up Sukuna and set up for a decisive blow.
The biggest issue is whether or not Sukuna can take on his Heian form.
If he can then I don't see them winning as he'll get a full body restore and I don't see them pushing him that far without using most of their abilities and strategies either.
TL;DR if Sukuna cannot reincarnate, I see the power couple taking this 6/10 times. And if he can? I don't see them winning at all.
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By this logic you can argue a character is in a different tier from their profile too
Where?
Not really? I see the possibility but why's a move he's never done more likely than something he's always done when he touches peoples' heads?
Practically the same Sukuna was slashing up Awakened Yuji
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Honestly I don’t think she’d be able to set up a sneak attack. In her fight with Sukuna, the narrator said she wouldn’t have been able to set up a sneak attack under normal circumstances and I doubt he would just lose track of her in the middle of a fight. The reason she cut off his hand prior was because he was getting jumped by Yuji and the others and cause he literally didn’t think she would be able to get back up after the black flashMaki absolutely has the most durability. Her body being Strong
That aside, I can see either side winning this
Yuta, Rika and Maki working side by side without having to worry about back up plans and saving full power for Gojo's body can definitely do enough damage to Sukuna who NEEDS cleave to the head to take them down.
Yuta's domain should be able to withstand Sukuna's and if he manages to land JL, they win.
For Sukuna, he needs to land either a cleave to their respective heads or land Furnace.
The cleave to the head is viable but it won't be a blitz one shot and would definitely be hard fought.
I don't see Furnace playing any kind of role as Sukuna would need to lower his Domain effective range to deal with Yuta's from the outside and that'll stop Furnace from showing up.
Sukuna would easily adapt to SSK damage but the point is that he'll still need to adapt. A well timed assassination from Maki who can easily blend in and leave his detection range would absolutely **** up Sukuna and set up for a decisive blow.
The biggest issue is whether or not Sukuna can take on his Heian form.
If he can then I don't see them winning as he'll get a full body restore and I don't see them pushing him that far without using most of their abilities and strategies either.
TL;DR if Sukuna cannot reincarnate, I see the power couple taking this 6/10 times. And if he can? I don't see them winning at all.
On top of that, she can’t really just leave either. If she goes too far, she leaves Yuta’s domain and by proxy leaves SSK inside the domain cause she wouldn’t be able to bring a cursed tool out with her since it’d get caught in the barrier.
Actually, now that I think about it. How the hell does Maki interact with something like a shrunken domain. She inherently doesn’t interact with barriers and domains which is why she’s able to walk through the edges of them but if the barrier is shrunken wouldn’t that mean like half of her body is outside of it
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Cleave doesn’t leave bloodstains on his fingers. Look at his fingers. Also, he doesn’t always cut people when he touches them; sometimes he beats them up.
Additionally, the whole point of Sukuna overpowering Maki at that moment was to demonstrate his superiority with Jujutsu, not with his Cursed Technique. That’s why he uses BF instead of spamming slashes.
The Sukuna who was slashing Awakened Yuji was the one who had regained his output from the BF's.
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Perhaps
I'll think abt and look into it some moreMaki took slashes from BF Sukuna before Yuji lowered his output again with soul punches and soul Black Flashes
EldemadeDityjon
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Yuji's punches do reduce Sukuna's output, but based on the feats, Sukuna recovering his output with Black Flash is greater than the nerf caused by Yuji's punches.
Additionally, Sukuna landed another Black Flash in the middle of the fight before that.
Awakened Yuji didn't get cut by Dismantle—he took Cleave to the face and survived.
My main point is that Sukuna's output was repeatedly getting nerfed by Yuji's punches but was backed up again and again by Black Flash. Therefore, it's not a solid reason to consider one feat alone to claim that Maki has better durability than others.
At best or worst, you can say they are comparable to one another—nothing more.
