Yuta & Maki vs 15f Sukuna

[Arkenis]

What does proving have to do with this? Sukuna would naturally adjust to his opponent's speed. Are you suggesting he would intentionally let himself get blitzed by his opponents?

I don't think anyone's blitzing anyone here.

He literally blitzed Mahoraga at first, but later Mahoraga adapted to him and kicked him out of the curtains. Sukuna instantly got back up and reacted even faster than before.

Maho never blitzed him.

He's not some idiot who would let himself get blitzed by random characters he encounters.

Again don't think anyone's being blitzed.

Even before Sukuna locked in on Maki, he was efficiently dodging her attacks. So what does the whole "proving" thing have to do with this?

Because I don't think he's normally going to blitz.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

The sure hits were nulled in the domain otherwise Gojo would’ve been cut to hell when UV was active. He only deactivated it at certain points to allow Mahoraga to adapt via Megumi. DA was purely for the stat boost and he never used HWB in there.

Though ironically since you brought it up he could use HWB for something. Instantly breaking Yuta’s domain. Just like he did with Gojo he could nullify his sure hit within Yuta’s domain and activate HWB which would empower his sure hit and let him shatter the barrier. He did something similar with Gojo and considering Gojo couldn’t react fast enough to counter Sukuna grabbing him it likely only lasted a second or two so yeah that’s another way for Sukuna to win a domain battle. They wouldn't have time to counter and by the time they do MS shreds them

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I don't think anyone's blitzing anyone here.

You claimed Maki had the edge in speed here; I was talking about that. That's a completely dishonest opinion, especially when, even without being locked in, he is not someone who intentionally gets blitzed by others. We literally see Sukuna in the Culling Game handling her with at most 10% of his power.

Maho never blitzed him.

I never said it did; I said it adapted to his speed, was able to perceive him, react to his slashes, and even kick him.

Because I don't think he's normally going to blitz.

He doesn't need to; he can blitz them once he gets interested in HR.

Maki was handled with one hand in the CG.

Yuta's H2H skills aren't impressive either.

Sukuna's CQC skills outclass theirs.

Sukuna matching their speed doesn't mean he would get overwhelmed.

 

[Giannysmag]

That excitement is only after he ran through everyone that was interesting so I don't think it'll happen here.

No the narrator literally says that everyone after Gojo was just appetizers for Sukuna, with his fight with Maki being the first time he's been forced to prove something and thus the first time he went all out since Gojo

 

[Arkenis]

No the narrator literally says that everyone after Gojo was just appetizers for Sukuna, with his fight with Maki being the first time he's been forced to prove something and thus the first time he went all out since Gojo

Alright makes sense. But looking at this, we see Maki react to him outside after the initial blitz so I'm not sure its simple as him just blitzing her.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Alright makes sense. But looking at this, we see Maki react to him outside after the initial blitz so I'm not sure its simple as him just blitzing her.

To be fair, can’t make sure they hear you talk sh*t if they can’t react to you.

 

[Giannysmag]

Alright makes sense. But looking at this, we see Maki react to him outside after the initial blitz so I'm not sure its simple as him just blitzing her.

Fair but it could just be Maki preemptively putting up her guard and Sukuna has other feats of blitzing high-top tiers

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Kashimo's EMW is also considered LS, yet Sukuna can easily dodge it.

Much smaller AoE

It's not hard to predict Yuta's fingers pointing at him,

It's not like Sukuna is so much faster than him that he's gonna be able to keep away from his aim from a distance (think about for example how you could follow a plane in the distance with your finger despite that being much faster than you)

and JL outside the domain isn't strong enough to kill him.

Angel's version of it seemed like it was gonna do it if Sukuna didn't pull that Megumi stunt

He can always dig into the ground and block the light, just like he did with Angel in the Shinjuku Showdown. There are multiple ways he can counter that. Also, DA could potentially reduce the damage (just saying).

The output of that technique was weakened a lot due to Hana missing an arm, similar to Naobito with Projection Sorcery. When she used it previously and when Yuta used it, Sukuna seemed to be completely paralyzed

Additionally, 5-minute Mode isn't going to restore Yuta's CT burnout.

?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Much smaller AoE

I'm not talking about AOE. I meant to say prediction based on sparks

It's not like Sukuna is so much faster than him that he's gonna be able to keep away from his aim from a distance (think about for example how you could follow a plane in the distance with your finger despite that being much faster than you)

He is much faster than Yuta when he is locked in.
Also Yuta needs to enter 5 mins mode to use JL Sukuna would have already regained his CT burnout at that time if we were to assume Yuta would survive first domain clash.

Angel's version of it seemed like it was gonna do it if Sukuna didn't pull that Megumi stunt

He was caught off guard by angel by the back when he smoked Yuji and his concentration was on Maki and Takaba.

The output of that technique was weakened a lot due to Hana missing an arm, similar to Naobito with Projection Sorcery. When she used it previously and when Yuta used it, Sukuna seemed to be completely paralyzed

Rika and Yuji were holding back when Yuta used it. Unless Yuta stops Sukuna's moments it's impossible for him to land a direct hit.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I'm not talking about AOE. I meant to say prediction based on sparks

I'm saying that even if he predicts it, it'll be tough to dodge

He is much faster than Yuta when he is locked in.

Not really, and definitely not that much faster

Also Yuta needs to enter 5 mins mode to use JL Sukuna would have already regained his CT burnout at that time if we were to assume Yuta would survive first domain clash.

Yuta might just opt for 5 minute mode immediately before DE since he knows about Sukuna's weakness to JL

He was caught off guard by angel by the back when he smoked Yuji and his concentration was on Maki and Takaba.

It was still a long conversation first and Sukuna was looking at her long before she casted it

Rika and Yuji were holding back when Yuta used it. Unless Yuta stops Sukuna's moments it's impossible for him to land a direct hit.

Well he definitely didn't need them to land JL then since it was activated as the sure hit, but you could say that implies Sukuna would've been able to still move while being struck

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I'm saying that even if he predicts it, it'll be tough to dodge

He can come up with counter measures

Not really, and definitely not that much faster

We already have an example out of Ryu who was comparable to Yuta in speed.

Yuta might just opt for 5 minute mode immediately before DE since he knows about Sukuna's weakness to JL

I already mentioned there DA which he can possibly use it to reduce the damage of JL. and get to don't safer zone.

It was still a long conversation first and Sukuna was looking at her long before she casted it

Look at his face he suddenly caught off guard by the fact Angel removed Nue.

He even talked about Angel/Hana recovering fast due to co existence implying he didn't expected them to back so soon and thus getting off-guard.

He was also getting affected by the Light she was emmiting.

Well he definitely didn't need them to land JL then since it was activated as the sure hit, but you could say that implies Sukuna would've been able to still move while being struck

Yes that's what I'm saying JL isn't an insta win. He can move around if no one holds him down.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

DA is getting extinguished by JL. Not a proper countermeasure

 

[MinatoSparkle]

He can come up with counter measures

It's not like it's a technique with an easy weakness

We already have an example out of Ryu who was comparable to Yuta in speed.

Shinjuku Yuta~Post-Gojo Sukuna>MBA Kashimo>>Base Kashimo~JP Hakari~CG Yuta

I already mentioned there DA which he can possibly use it to reduce the damage of JL. and get to don't safer zone.

Perhaps, although it is odd that he didn't use it against previous attempts. Maybe the technique extinguishment effect also doesn't allow for use of Domain Amplification?

Look at his face he suddenly caught off guard by the fact Angel removed Nue.

He even talked about Angel/Hana recovering fast due to co existence implying he didn't expected them to back so soon and thus getting off-guard.

There was still a long period after this before she used Jacob's Ladder

He was also getting affected by the Light she was emmiting.

Sure, but that kinda helps Yuta cause he can just do the same thing to nerf Sukuna and then have Maki restrain him in his nerfed state

Yes that's what I'm saying JL isn't an insta win. He can move around if no one holds him down.

Sure

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

The speed difference isn't the biggest factor compared to the starting distance. Avoiding JL is a tall order when we know it's very likely gonna catch him while he's not prepared for it. And that maintained JL is going to be major

 

[Giannysmag]

Shinjuku Yuta~Post-Gojo Sukuna>MBA Kashimo>>Base Kashimo~JP Hakari~CG Yuta

JP Hakari is comparable to CG Yuta because? Also Sukuna's speed flactuates a lot depending on who he is fighting during Shinjuku

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Yeah, Yuta is not quite equal. Just relative to a degree

 

[MinatoSparkle]

JP Hakari is comparable to CG Yuta because? Also Sukuna's speed flactuates a lot depending on who he is fighting during Shinjuku

I'm just using the accepted stats. This is Hakari's speed rating right now: "at least Supersonic+ with Jackpot (Is at a similar level to Yuta...)"

There's no suggestion that Sukuna was holding back when crediting Yuta's feats against him on the profile, and personally I don't agree that Sukuna was holding back either, so let's not get into CRT esque discussions.

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

I thought the consensus was that Sukuna was trying harder against Maki. So sandbagging against prior opponents rather than traditionally suppressing himself

 

[Giannysmag]

I'm just using the accepted stats. This is Hakari's speed rating right now: "at least Supersonic+ with Jackpot (Is at a similar level to Yuta...)"

Big Hakari (Elde's justifications) strikes again trying to make you think that the stallman has actual scaling

There's no suggestion that Sukuna was holding back when crediting Yuta's feats against him on the profile, and personally I don't agree that Sukuna was holding back either

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

Big Hakari (Elde's justifications) strikes again trying to make you think that the stallman has actual scaling

Tbf, "superior than before" is significantly worse justification-wise than just using the narrative and in-universe implications of him having some degree of comparability to Yuta

 

[Arkenis]

I think its more speed than ap or dura. He compliments Yuta and Yuji's dura as though he was trying to kill them with his dismantle and cleave and says its not just to do with his lower output due to Gojo, everyone has better defenses.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Big Hakari (Elde's justifications) strikes again trying to make you think that the stallman has actual scaling

It's valid but I'm not going to argue about that right now

All I'm going to say is this statement exists (worse in the raws) and so does Fuga, and won't elaborate any further in this thread.

 

[Rosa]

Sukuna wins low diff

 

[LIGHTYW]

Sukuna oneshots with cleaveee or domain

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It's not like it's a technique with an easy weakness

Well not easy but he can come up countermeasures like in Shinjuku.

Shinjuku Yuta~Post-Gojo Sukuna>MBA Kashimo>>Base Kashimo~JP Hakari~CG Yuta

What this supposed to do? Shinjuku Showdown Yuta is faster than CG Yuta. Sure but we don't know how much difference.

Perhaps, although it is odd that he didn't use it against previous attempts. Maybe the technique extinguishment effect also doesn't allow for use of Domain Amplification?

He didn't used it but we do know that it's a Powernull of its own which helps him to null other CT's.

There was still a long period after this before she used Jacob's Ladder

You know Shinjuku Showdown he does reacts to it instantly and avoids it with throwing boulders and jumping among them but here he was still looking at the light.
I think he was just overthinking here or just PIS he just stood there.

Sure, but that kinda helps Yuta cause he can just do the same thing to nerf Sukuna and then have Maki restrain him in his nerfed state

Maki SSK wouldn't work in this case she needs to physically tag him and Overpower him. Because Light is a AOE attack which swallow whole area.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Big Hakari (Elde's justifications) strikes again trying to make you think that the stallman has actual scaling

I'm pretty sure Arkenis is the one who added it not me. I would have put Hakari is faster than Yuta not on same level lol

 

[Arkenis]

Never touched that bum gamblers page in my life.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Never touched that bum gamblers page in my life.

Just checked the history. Yeah some unknown guy changed that.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Well not easy but he can come up countermeasures like in Shinjuku.

It certainly is a troublesome card though

What this supposed to do? Shinjuku Showdown Yuta is faster than CG Yuta. Sure but we don't know how much difference.

Just saying that Sukuna blitzing Ryu doesn't put him a blitz tier above EoS Yuta

He didn't used it but we do know that it's a Powernull of its own which helps him to null other CT's.

Even if he could use it it doesn't seem in character

You know Shinjuku Showdown he does reacts to it instantly and avoids it with throwing boulders and jumping among them but here he was still looking at the light.
I think he was just overthinking here or just PIS he just stood there.

The output is weaker

Maki SSK wouldn't work in this case she needs to physically tag him and Overpower him. Because Light is a AOE attack which swallow whole area.

Yeah that's fine

 

[LIGHTYW]

YALL SHOULD MAKE 16FINGERS 10% MEGUNA VS MAKI AND YUTA

 

[Arkenis]

"yall should make Mahoraga and Sukuna vs Maki and Yuta"

 

[LIGHTYW]

MAHORAGA RESTRICTED OBVIOUSLY, JUST LIKE HE WAS FIGHTING AGAINST MAKI, IT SEEMS CLOSER TO ME