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So, anything else to discuss while SomebodyData gets scans?
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Cool, just making sure.Not really. Even if he proves they are all in the same universe, it wouldn't disprove them getting an Tier 1 Upgrade due to the new translations. And if it doesn't disprove it, we have an Tier 2 Low end, Tier 1 high end.
Makes sense. Off the top of my head, I'd guess Season 4 Judai/Jaden, Yubel, and Nightshroud. Maaaybe Light of Destruction Plasma and Light of Destruction Saio/Sartorisu as well?The only thing that I think should be talked about is the Scaling Chain and who actively scales to the Cosmology of the Spirit World. I still think that shouldn't be delayed, because once we discuss this, after we figure out who scales to what, we can apply whatever needs to be applied in a timely manner.
Tier 1 wtf?Not really. Even if he proves they are all in the same universe, it wouldn't disprove them getting an Tier 1 Upgrade due to the new translations. And if it doesn't disprove it, we have an Tier 2 Low end, Tier 1 high end.
Nah LoD doesn't scale and neither does Nightsroud. None of them have any feats close to that scale or interacted with Super Polymerization.Makes sense. Off the top of my head, I'd guess Season 4 Judai/Jaden, Yubel, and Nightshroud. Maaaybe Light of Destruction Plasma and Light of Destruction Saio/Sartorisu as well?
Tier 1 wtf?
Good night, nice dreams.You are now afflicted with the curse too .....hahaha 5D curse
Your battle with Baldur will be legendary,
Bye, i need to go to sleep now.
Universe was stated to have created from nothing, then divided from into darknesd and light, gentle darkness only created life. LoD has never destroyed a single universe or anything on screen and has failed to destroy individual planets many times across the entirety of Season 2, it has poor piss Destructive Capacity.I mentioned it before. But the Gentle Darkness and the Light of Destruction literally encompass the whole Cosmollgy. They recreated it several times, the Light was confident of after it being destroyed it could be remade in its own image, Nightshroud scales > Light of Destruction since he is explicitly stated to be stronger than it by Satorious.
It was never stated to have survived the destruction of the universe, it was only said that the universe is a cycle of destruction of creation, of which he never stated he was a cause or part of, so there's no proof to say he survived that destruction. It is just a statement that we have no confirmation either too, since other sources stated that nothing or "complete darkness" was what the universe was prior to this. That's also the fact that the LoD that porsesses Sartorious originates from a white hole which originated after the universe was created.Sorry Saga, but I vehemently disagree with your views.
So, I am going to ignore the fact that LoD said he would survive the Universe's destruction, remake creation in his own image, stated both by knowledgeable sources to be constantly fighting and destroying the universe, gives Destiny Hero enough power to do it, gave Satorious the power to affect the entire Cosmology, stated they save the Universe. Stated as soon as they destroyed the Earth he would destroy the rest of the Cosmology.
Literally the only thing stopping the LoD is the fact it's confronting Judai and confronting the GD on both fronts, so he can't just destroy the planet with Judai and the GD there, and the fact the Spirits have been stopping him years before Judai came about as their Savior. He focused on the satellites as once Judai was defeated, the GD would be defeated, and he'd be fee to do whatever he wanted to do.
I'm assuming you're talking about Zorc? or Holactie?I will stop as well. I'll provide scans the next time, but I still very much disagree with that logic.
Luckily Yugioh DM Season 3 introduces the fact that an Individual was literally threatening the Spirit World and the Human World with their presence. Unfortunately even IF we all assume Judai scales to the Cosmology, he caps weaker than that individual by a significant margin.
Ok all but, what about Alonik's translation?
Shouldn't that make a thing like a 2-C Sized timeline like DBS ones? Tier 1 for them being "a space-time having more space-times in itself" was already proposed and rejected because that's just a bigger 4D. It should be the case even here.Strym
To quote what I mentioned before about the translations:
"Twelve-dimensioned universe" Would indicate the 12 dimensions literally are in the universe, which is what Neo Space showed is possible (Even if you don't believe its one of the dimensions itself).
"i'll fill all the twelve universes that exists in different dimensions with me love for you, Judai."
If its geometrical, this would upgrade Yubel to tier 1 but is completely contradicted by the fact that regular humans can also live in these dimensions. If its spatial, it would entail the universes really are smaller than 'dimensions' ie actual universes. But it would give Yubel 2-C range, I guess.
Based on the fact that a Tier 1 universe doesn't make sense with the fact that the entirety of Duel Academy can exist in the Desert Dimension (Which wouldn't even have a desert), it is more consistent with what I mentioned.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that guy. God, DM Season 3 was so stupidNo, the Weakened Orichalcos Geh.
I was talking about the 12 universes inside the timeline actually.Nah, that was rejected for DBS. It doesn't change anything unless its cosmology is like that of DBS where the universe and other dimensions are physically together (Ie like how heaven is physically on top the universe) in which case it's a higher 3-A. But you guys have been arguing against me the entire time on that point, and plus the size of the dimensions are really brought into question (Even if you disagree with the Neo Space comparison, the Waking the Dragons dimension and World of Darkness have been shown to be celestial at best) regardless.
It did not cover the sun, it was actually a layer over the earth as we can see here in episode 177.Episode 178: It should also be mentioned that the World of Darkness briefly eclipses the Sun. In order to have eclipsed the sun while at that distance but not tear the Earth apart, it would have to be comparable to the moon at best. This is important, as the World is stated to be able to consume the other dimensions very quickly if left unchecked in Episode 160, meaning the other dimensions really are that small. And that's the highball, the tentacles of Darkness Seed, which you can see after 5:10ish for the rest of the duel are about the size of Jaden's opponent. Based on the fact that the World of Darkness is a celestial body, the other universes are probably smaller.
Pretty sure that's a little inconsistency which doesen't really matter here, since all the others are equally big as I can see.A timeline wouldn't (At least, not in terms of 2-D size; being a 3-D physically large universe wouldn't have an effect on how big a 4-D universe is).
That's not literal since a regular satellite was sent to neo space which contradicts them being spatially separatedEpisode 62: Neo-Spacian Aqua Dolphin reveals that Neo Space is one of Jupiter's moons (7:00). Then Jaden finds the satellite Kaiba sent out to space years ago proving it's the same Jupiter (10:15). He refers to Neo Space as a universe twice as well (21:00) and spatially divided. This proves that in GX, universes can also refer to small pocket dimensions that exist in the universe, but are sealed off dimensionally. Similar to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for example.
I fail to see how any of this matters since we don't know where darkness's consumtion begins the normal universe is also different Because of the darkness in people's hearts can either amp or weaken him so it shouldnt be used as an example and like i said darkness begins small then devours universesEpisode 178: It should also be mentioned that the World of Darkness briefly eclipses the Sun. In order to have eclipsed the sun while at that distance but not tear the Earth apart, it would have to be comparable to the moon at best. This is important, as the World is stated to be able to consume the other dimensions very quickly if left unchecked in Episode 160, meaning the other dimensions really are that small. And that's the highball, the tentacles of Darkness Seed, which you can see after 5:10ish for the rest of the duel are about the size of Jaden's opponent. Based on the fact that the World of Darkness is a celestial body, the other universes are probably smaller.
[[Headcanon]]However, Zencha pointed out a lack of timeframe, which while irrelevant to the size of a post-consumption World of Darkness, can be argued to suggest that maybe it took forever to consume a 3-A universe (Low 2-C would be impossible to eat finitely), however:
Is there any reason why to take this literally? since honest described humans empowering spirit and vice versa the same thus it should be relatively the same in this context since like i said emotions can either amp or nerf darknessHowever, that's not all. Honest continues, pointing out the duel monster cards connect the Duel Spirit World with ours; with corrupted cards being gateways to the World of Darkness (6:40). This means that most of the time between 178 and 160 was more likely Darkness waiting to come to our world rather than actually being occupied with destroying another. Given this, the timeframe is likely tiny; especially considering the Waking the Dragons dimension couldn't get help despite showing that ability before.
What? They don't need to leave the universe to reach alt dimensionsDimensional travel doesn't really work when you're half the universe, not to mention it would mean the other side would immediately win in the time its gone.
@SomebodyData I just checked here on crunchyroll, but at this point it might just be flowery language, it would be for example Zod telling Superman "the Earthly universe with the Kryptonian universe".
I wanted to know something related to Yubel's statement, not something that can be flowery language between Judai and the Aqua Dolphin, which is what I will argue next;
Here is episode 62 on Raw, and what Aqua-Dolphin says to Judai is this:
Here what Neo Aqua is talking about doesn't even refer to the planet where they crashed with Kaiba's capsule, but rather the imaginary universe that the child Judai longed for when he was just a child watching people duel, and which gave him the motivations to create the neos universe. In this way, when the cards became alive, the link between Judai's heart and that imaginary universe he longed for was created between him and the new spirits. That is just a flowery passage.
Of course that's not all that changes, the kanji used in that sentence is 宇宙 where the etymology is very manageable according to the context, it can be used in outer space even universe in its actual size, but it was not the universe in its actual size, but only the relationship between the Judai and the cards. So regardless of whether it's Neo-Space, or Neo-Universe he mentioned it's going to have a single meaning and totally different from Yubel's Statements.
Given that said let's move to Yubel's statements.
Basically the difference here is the use of dimensional with the previous kanji, being that 次元宇宙 and the last one being 別の次元.
Something I almost forgot is that in episode 153 Yubel says the following line;
- We go with a 12-dimensional layered universe, which would still give us a Low 2-C, but depending on the size of each one of these bulks, it could lead to an even higher tier
- Assume that these are spatially separated extradimensions, as for example the realms of Yggdrasil in the MCU, where the context is very similar to the one we are dealing with, portals for pocket and/or universally extradimensions through the Einstein-Rosen bridge i.e. a wormhole.
I think it is quite noticeable the spatiality of these extradimensions being separated that are even called universe in another context than the flowery one between jaden and his cards.
I don't it needs to be looked that far since neo space doesn't fit any of the requirements about the 12 dimensions and should be ignoredWhat I recommend would be a deep analysis through all the quotes about sekai or uchu, to separate planet and universe, and remove the confusion that the official translation made
That's the radar for the space iircAlso, as another major point, if we go by the radar, the universes vary in size. A timeline wouldn't (At least, not in terms of 2-D size; being a 3-D physically large universe wouldn't have an effect on how big a 4-D universe is).
I'm pretty sure it's only tier 1 like that if the higher-timeline is strictly separate from the lower one, and is strictly a "higher" time flow.Shouldn't that make a thing like a 2-C Sized timeline like DBS ones? Tier 1 for them being "a space-time having more space-times in itself" was already proposed and rejected because that's just a bigger 4D. It should be the case even here.