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Yu-Gi-Oh! General Discussion

LeishenMFDCSDF said:
Yu-Gi-Oh! Manga Tier 2 feat/cosmology?

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―【マルチバース理論】
冒頭のシーンは、「マルチバース理論」―我々のいる宇宙以外にも宇宙は無限に存在していて、別の宇宙にもう一人の自分が存在し、それらの宇宙も自分も無限に存在する―という多元宇宙論をイメージした映像です。タイトルの『THE DARK SIDE OF DIMENSIONS』の多次元 (DIMENSIONS)を「遊☆戯☆王」っぽく、“光と闇”から宇宙が誕生し、さらにそれらが生命の誕生にも見えるような演出にしたかった。宇宙は決して1枚のカードから始まったわけではないというメッセージでもあります(笑)。

DeepL Translated:
-[Multiverse Theory]
The opening scene is an image of the “Multiverse Theory” - the idea that there are an infinite number of universes other than the one we are in, that there is another you in another universe, and that both those universes and you are infinite. The image of this video is based on the idea of multiverse theory. I wanted to make the title “THE DARK SIDE OF DIMENSIONS” (DIMENSIONS) sound like “Yu-Gi-Oh,” as if the universe was born out of “light and darkness,” and furthermore, as if they were the birth of life. It is also a message that the universe did not start from a single card (laugh).

Google Translated:
- [Multiverse Theory]
The opening scene is inspired by the "multiverse theory"—the idea that there are an infinite number of universes other than ours, that there are other versions of ourselves in other universes, and that these universes and ourselves exist infinitely. I wanted to use the "DIMENSIONS" in the title "THE DARK SIDE OF DIMENSIONS" in a "Yu-Gi-Oh!"-esque way, suggesting that the universe was born from "light and darkness," and that these dimensions could also represent the birth of life. It also sends the message that the universe did not begin with a single card (laughs).

In the official DSOD guide, it is mentioned that the opening scene is the multiverse. In the movie, it seems to imply that these universes were destroyed or created by “light”.
I wonder if it could be scaled to Holactie, which I recall is officially mentioned several times as a symbol of light.(but to be studied)
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Regarding the statement “The universe wasn't born from a card,” it's actually a playful jab at the GX storyline where the universe supposedly originated from a card. It doesn't refer to Horakhti.
Moreover, in the manga, Horakhti isn't a card but a divine entity. The real-world Horakhti card tends to carry symbolic commemorative significance. (So using this to argue that Horakhti didn't create the universe is sheer nonsense.)
 
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LeishenMFDCSDF said:
Regarding the statement “The universe wasn't born from a card,” it's actually a playful jab at the GX storyline where the universe supposedly originated from a card. It doesn't refer to Horakhti.
Moreover, in the manga, Horakhti isn't a card but a divine entity. The real-world Horakhti card tends to carry symbolic commemorative significance. (So using this to argue that Horakhti didn't create the universe is sheer nonsense.)
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Actually you need something more evidence to prove Holactie is create universe-multiverse. I actually don't mind Yugi into 2-A if only we have more evidence from databook.
 
Tripleaccel555 said:
What kind of statement come from Horakthty create multiverse ?
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It was from a special edition of the manga volume 14 where the creator and or artist gives their thoughts/interview and from an official guide

Yu-Gi-Oh! Vol.14 (Shueisha Comic Bunko) Manga

Yu-Gi-Oh! Millennium Book Characters Guide Book Kazuki Takahashi Comic book

I bought them both to personally confirm but they will take awhile to arrive
 
Rwbyenthusiast said:
It was from a special edition of the manga volume 14 where the creator and or artist gives their thoughts/interview and from an official guide

Yu-Gi-Oh! Vol.14 (Shueisha Comic Bunko) Manga

Yu-Gi-Oh! Millennium Book Characters Guide Book Kazuki Takahashi Comic book

I bought them both to personally confirm but they will take awhile to arrive
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Well...Let's hope the book give that information about Yugi Being 2-A is true.
 
we getting immeasurable speed and 2-A yugi now?
cuz the netherworld is beyond the human dimensions and atem still traveled from there to earth quick enough so its clear he had the intention of helping Yugi before Aigami consumed the universe.
 
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Alright guy's,I got the Japanese Yu-Gi-Oh! Vol.14 (Shueisha Comic Bunko) Manga quicker then I thought so here are the after words,hopefully we can Crack the translations

I'm still waiting on the other one



 
i have that version but in spanish, and only the third and final of the black pages references Horakthy, it says that is the "unique/sole" creation god and defeats the evil god of darkness, and that its name is based on a true egyptian king.

kazuki takahashi november 16th 2007

the rest are about his inspirations on the three gods and a explanation on the temperance card in the tarot
 
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YuseiDragon1 said:
i have that version but in spanish, and only the third and final of the black pages references Horakthy, it says that is the "unique/sole" creation god and defeats the evil god of darkness, and that its name is based on a true egyptian king.

kazuki takahashi november 16th 2007

the rest are about his inspirations on the three gods and a explanation on the temperance card in the tarot
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I thought that these were Japanese exclusive? Anyway the raw Japanese one should be more credible,no offense

Hopefully these can be properly translated on this site. The other stuff is admittedly bonus but I thought that I better take scans of everything outside the manga story itself plus there's cool stuff for obelisk l,slifer,ra and dark magician girl
 
Rwbyenthusiast said:
I thought that these were Japanese exclusive? Anyway the raw Japanese one should be more credible,no offense

Hopefully these can be properly translated on this site. The other stuff is admittedly bonus but I thought that I better take scans of everything outside the manga story itself plus there's cool stuff for obelisk l,slifer,ra and dark magician girl
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oh no thats fine, just recognized the cover.
Hope the official translation from the japanese gets us 2-A yugi
 
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17-D Yugioh potential
 
YungManzi said:
Hmm. Why star levels over defense and attack ratings?
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Its what Death Battle used

Because, for the most part, Attack and Defense points are arbitrary, to the point that Link Monsters dont even have Defense Point at all, while Star Levels are meant to be a portrayal of how powerful a monster actually is, to the point that you normally need to sacrifice other monsters just to be able to summon them
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Its what Death Battle used

Because, for the most part, Attack and Defense points are arbitrary, to the point that Link Monsters dont even have Defense Point at all, while Star Levels are meant to be a portrayal of how powerful a monster actually is, to the point that you normally need to sacrifice other monsters just to be able to summon them
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Are you talking about scaling the card game or the manga/anime?

I think they’re pretty consistent in the anime for the most part.
Stars don’t exist on Link cards either.

Edit:

I will say, if there’s some actual lore behind star levels that I’m missing, I’m open to hearing about it.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
For which?
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Attack ratings/defense ratings. There are plenty of points in the anime where they don’t even need to sacrifice monsters to summon higher star level monsters, unlike irl ygo.
WeeklyBattles said:
True but they have Link Levels, same with XYZs having Ranks rather than Levels
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Imo Link levels can’t at all be equated to star levels; while XYZ ranks at least rely on star levels as a mechanic and have as many ranks as there are star levels… link levels are just totally different. Having an 8 star monster is the same as a 1 star monster with link summons.
 
YungManzi said:
Attack ratings/defense ratings. There are plenty of points in the anime where they don’t even need to sacrifice monsters to summon higher star level monsters, unlike irl ygo.
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Yeah its...weird
YungManzi said:
Imo Link levels can’t at all be equated to star levels; while XYZ ranks at least rely on star levels as a mechanic and have as many ranks as there are star levels… link levels are just totally different. Having an 8 star monster is the same as a 1 star monster with link summons.
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Fair, Link Monsters will have to be an entirely different thing
 
WeeklyBattles said:
For monster cards yes
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And what would you say for effects like “this card cannot be targeted by card effects”? For cards like the Kozmo cards.

I’m thinking something like a kind of perception or darkness manipulation that makes them unable to be seen. Like how Panik’s Castle of Dark Illusions was in duelist kingdom.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
while Star Levels are meant to be a portrayal of how powerful a monster actually is, to the point that you normally need to sacrifice other monsters just to be able to summon them
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I don't think Level Stars necessarily indicate a monster's strength; it depends on the situation. Many monsters with lower Level Stars can defeat those with higher Level Stars (through effects or battle destruction).
 
LeishenMFDCSDF said:
I don't think Level Stars necessarily indicate a monster's strength; it depends on the situation. Many monsters with lower Level Stars can defeat those with higher Level Stars (through effects or battle destruction).
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Effects sure but those arent raw power
 
YungManzi said:
And what would you say for effects like “this card cannot be targeted by card effects”? For cards like the Kozmo cards.

I’m thinking something like a kind of perception or darkness manipulation that makes them unable to be seen. Like how Panik’s Castle of Dark Illusions was in duelist kingdom.
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Would probably need to be a case by case or possibly a low level form of law hax
 
If I remember right, there was an episode of Duel Monsters were Shadi said the attack and defence points on a card represent the actual difference in strength between the real monsters and I don't think it'd be a big stretch considering how the Duel Monsters spirit world works in the anime wherein humans perception can effect or even create Duel Spirits of cards that are obviously original creations and weren't preexisting monsters. Also, would destruction also be BFR because we see in the first Bakura duel of the anime that Monsters are sent to an actual graveyard location from destruction effects like Man-Eater Bug.
 
Using the star scaling is a bit iffy since some lower star monsters can get powered up by their effects or secondary buffs to jump from lets say wall level to universal.

Higher with Effects/equipment?
 
HoodedEnigma said:
If I remember right, there was an episode of Duel Monsters were Shadi said the attack and defence points on a card represent the actual difference in strength between the real monsters and I don't think it'd be a big stretch considering how the Duel Monsters spirit world works in the anime wherein humans perception can effect or even create Duel Spirits of cards that are obviously original creations and weren't preexisting monsters. Also, would destruction also be BFR because we see in the first Bakura duel of the anime that Monsters are sent to an actual graveyard location from destruction effects like Man-Eater Bug.
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I’m more in agreement with attack and defense scaling over star level btw.
 
Same it's less broad than stars and has more of a basis I feel, Plus it accounts for Monsters with 0 ATK & DEF thanks to the Goblin Attack Force durability feat at 0 Def. So it's possible it could apply to Links.
 
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YungManzi said:
I’m more in agreement with attack and defense scaling over star level btw.
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HoodedEnigma said:
Same it's less broad than stars and has more of a basis I feel, Plus it accounts for Monsters with 0 ATK & DEF thanks to the Goblin Attack Force durability feat at 0 Def. So it's possible it could apply to Links.
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This still leads to some interesting scaling due to cloudragon
 
Also it's very strange to me that the four dimensions dragons are only city level on our profiles despite it being a major plot point that they're the four most powerful dragons of their respective monster type
 
HoodedEnigma said:
If I remember right, there was an episode of Duel Monsters were Shadi said the attack and defence points on a card represent the actual difference in strength between the real monsters and I don't think it'd be a big stretch considering how the Duel Monsters spirit world works in the anime wherein humans perception can effect or even create Duel Spirits of cards that are obviously original creations and weren't preexisting monsters. Also, would destruction also be BFR because we see in the first Bakura duel of the anime that Monsters are sent to an actual graveyard location from destruction effects like Man-Eater Bug.
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Okay yea I was mostly right, here's the statement from Shadi about it in episode 40.



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WeeklyBattles said:
But hey, I'm down for tier 3 gagagigo
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It probably results in every low end duel monster being galaxy level like Digimon; I personally think that’s fine and is probably just par for the course for monster battle series like this, think SMT, Bakugan, Beyblde, ect.

Edit: I think it would be useful to make a scaling blog later using the base power on the field of a monster that performed the feat. Like

Attack: 0 = Galaxy level

Attack: 1000 = Universe level

Attack: 2200 = Low Multiverse level

Ect.
 
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