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Yu-Gi-Oh! General Discussion


Hmmm. There's 8 pillars, but 10 cards listed.
Can anyone explain this?
1 seems to represent convergence, which is an event significant to the details of their real world basis.
But even if the Convergence itself doesn't count, being that it'd represent the 8 pillars merged, that still leaves 9.

We also have something strange:
They have Gods of Time & Space. But the line: "In the beginning, there was no light nor even time in the 'primal Tehom' filled with the 'black water'. Then, the eight pillar deities were born, and then the Sun was created."
....This causes me some confusion.

"Then, the eight pillar deities were born"; This suggests the 8 pillars were born AFTER time began, despite them being the pillar deities who's form serve as the foundation of creation.
If this is the case, then if they were born after time, even if 1 or 2 of them governs time, they didn't create it, so that'd be High 3-A for just creating the universe, not a whole timeline.
There might be something for stabilization feats, although do mind the wording suggests it's maintained among the 8 of them. Maybe? There's 1 for space, for one.

Anyway, there's 1 or 2 extra Ogdoad.

However, there may be a counterargument.

"In the beginning, there was no light nor even time in the 'primal Tehom' filled with the 'black water'. "
""When the world first began, there existed 'the black waters of the primal Tehom'. They took shape and grew, and what was born were eight pillar deities with fluid forms that serve as the foundation of creation."

This indicates that before light or even time, there was the primal Tehom, filled with the black water, & the Ogdoad took shape from that.
So although they formed after time, it may be that what they took shape from, Tehom, predates time. & as said, after being formed, they created all that exists. So that may be an argument for them predating space, too, even if they may predate space more than they (arguably) predate time due to what they were formed from itself, Tehom, arguably predating time.
 
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Hmmm. There's 8 pillars, but 10 cards listed.
Can anyone explain this?
1 seems to represent convergence, which is an event significant to the details of their real world basis.
But even if the Convergence itself doesn't count, being that it'd represent the 8 pillars merged, that still leaves 9.
Because of Nehilabyss. Nefertem (the god it is based on) is not originally part of the Ogdoad, as he represents the Sun shining through after rising from the primordial waters.
 
"When the world first began, there existed 'the black waters of the primal Tehom'. They took shape and grew, and what was born were eight pillar deities with fluid forms that serve as the foundation of creation. And from there, they created all that exists with their power.[9]"

Depends on what the "black waters of the primal Tehom" is.
The 8 pillars with "fluid form that serve as the foundation of creation" may possibly be covered under Stabilization Feats.

Creating all that exists is also a bit ambiguous depending on the nature of Tehom. IIRC, creating a universe, ala a Big Bang is High 3-A because usually a universe can be assumed to be infinite like ours & so be High 3-A.
But if a spece-time continuum was made, that'd be Low 2-C, I think.



The Sun of the Beginning

In the beginning, there was no light nor even time in the 'primal Tehom' filled with the 'black water'. Then, the eight pillar deities were born, and then the Sun was created.

Creation of a timeline, Low 2-C.
Making the sun is probably the same as making our regular sun, which is somewhere in Tier 4, IIRC.

The Gods that Manifested from 'the Black Waters of the Primal Tehom'


Yugipedia claims in Ogdoadic Origin's Trivia section says:
Trivia for that says:
  • This monster is based on Naunet, one of the eight Egyptian Ogdoad.
We can't do much on that ALONE, but it could be useful for inferences of thematics/tones/motifs, etc.. I think.

The Constantly-Changing Existences in the Primal Tehom[edit]

OgdoadicSerpentStrike-MADU-EN-VG-artwork.pngOgdoadicCalling-MADU-EN-VG-artwork.png
"Ogdoadic Serpent Strike""Ogdoadic Calling"
The deities, who are themselves 'black water', also create lifeforms from 'black water'.

Ogdoadic Serpent Strike's Trivia:
Ogdoadic Calling's Trivia:

The Other Gods​

The Gods of Time and Space

"Flogos, the Ogdoadic Boundless""Zohah, the Ogdoadic Boundless"
The Gods of Light and Darkness

"Keurse, the Ogdoadic Light""Aleirtt, the Ogdoadic Dark"

Unsure what to make of all this. I feel like understanding Tehom might be important, & there might be something to make of studying the Ogdoad to see what insights into this can be gleamed, but beyond that, IDK what to make of this.
I don't always deal with higher tier stuff.

Hope this helps!
This really does help,thanks
 
What about regenesis deuteronomion? I gave the link to it on the same reply

Obviously has creation,space,time,gravity,physics and elemental manipulationwhat more? more?
 
What about regenesis deuteronomion? I gave the link to it on the same reply

Obviously has creation,
Yes.
space,time,gravity,physics
Basis?
Going off only the page linked, it creates worlds, but how do we know "World" is more than a planet in this case, & how do we know it entails all the space of a whole universe or a continuum of time?
and elemental manipulationwhat more? more?
Earth Manipulation, Air Manipulation, Water Manbipulation, Fire Manipulation, Light Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation, just for the elements alone.

The dark sphere in the center brings up some questioning:
“Can create a world as it pleases by choosing each energy and combining them in the black part of the vessel”

Besides the possible NLF of "as it pleases", & this implying Energy Manipulation due to the vague use of "choosing each energy and combining them in the black part of the vessel" (Because other than that & Fire Manipulation & maybe Light Manipulation & maybe Darkness Manipulation, unsure what would be the basis for this.) & maybe also Fusionism?

The kanji in the image is 無, which the official translator gives as "void", but it can also mean "empty". So there's a question of if there is a vaccuum there? Is there actually nothing there?
On that topic:

"Empty space and black holes are not examples of a void as they possess energy and exist in the conventional sense. Manipulating either is Spatial Manipulation and Black Hole Creation respectively."

On that basis, this could qualify as an alternative basis Spatial Manipulation, assuming it doesn't qualify for Void Manipulation. (Assuming the VSBattles Fandom Void Manipulation ability page doesn't mean like, "empty space" like that found in "outer space".)

Fun fact: In real life, having even a small void around can become obviously unsafe within seconds, albeit briefly in a limited fashion. If you ever have 5 minutes or so, this tackles that topic in an... interesting fashion:


My understanding of this is that if there's a sphere of void, & there's nothing keeping it staying a void, air (& probably other gasses.) will rush into the void, as it is a lower pressure area. The depressurized spots the relocating gasses will make in the places they left to go into the void, will get filled by other ambient gas to make the pressure equal to the general pressure of the area.
I haven't checked physics in quite a while, so I could be mistaken.
What it amounts to for the average viewer would be some rushing air, sounds & shockwaves that would resolve quite quickly.

But in fiction, voids often just exist without consequence, so I'm not sure what should actually happen, not to mention unsure what kind of void this is, be it a mass of "nothingness", or it actually lacks anything there at all, physics adherent or not.

Bottom: “When a world is created, pain always follows”

This brings up the question of what kind of pain? Does Deuteronomion feel pain itself, like agony, discomfort, or strain? Pain Manipulation on itself weakness? Does it drain the Life of things within the world it creates? Or maybe it's some kind of Fate Manipulation, since, going a bit metafictional, conflict, strife & hardship are common & constant for fiction, & could be expected when opposing or dissonant/disharmonious things are combined together? Yu-Gi-Oh! as a whole has battles central to it, so it could be the case that something like that is why "pain always follows" is said. But we don't know which worlds Deuteronomion made.

Kind of interesting, but quite vague, & a lot of uncertainty, I'd say.

Hope this helps!
Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?
 
Yes.

Basis?
Going off only the page linked, it creates worlds, but how do we know "World" is more than a planet in this case, & how do we know it entails all the space of a whole universe or a continuum of time?

Earth Manipulation, Air Manipulation, Water Manbipulation, Fire Manipulation, Light Manipulation, Darkness Manipulation, just for the elements alone.

The dark sphere in the center brings up some questioning:
“Can create a world as it pleases by choosing each energy and combining them in the black part of the vessel”

Besides the possible NLF of "as it pleases", & this implying Energy Manipulation due to the vague use of "choosing each energy and combining them in the black part of the vessel" (Because other than that & Fire Manipulation & maybe Light Manipulation & maybe Darkness Manipulation, unsure what would be the basis for this.) & maybe also Fusionism?

The kanji in the image is 無, which the official translator gives as "void", but it can also mean "empty". So there's a question of if there is a vaccuum there? Is there actually nothing there?
On that topic:

"Empty space and black holes are not examples of a void as they possess energy and exist in the conventional sense. Manipulating either is Spatial Manipulation and Black Hole Creation respectively."

On that basis, this could qualify as an alternative basis Spatial Manipulation, assuming it doesn't qualify for Void Manipulation. (Assuming the VSBattles Fandom Void Manipulation ability page doesn't mean like, "empty space" like that found in "outer space".)

Fun fact: In real life, having even a small void around can become obviously unsafe within seconds, albeit briefly in a limited fashion. If you ever have 5 minutes or so, this tackles that topic in an... interesting fashion:


My understanding of this is that if there's a sphere of void, & there's nothing keeping it staying a void, air (& probably other gasses.) will rush into the void, as it is a lower pressure area. The depressurized spots the relocating gasses will make in the places they left to go into the void, will get filled by other ambient gas to make the pressure equal to the general pressure of the area.
I haven't checked physics in quite a while, so I could be mistaken.
What it amounts to for the average viewer would be some rushing air, sounds & shockwaves that would resolve quite quickly.

But in fiction, voids often just exist without consequence, so I'm not sure what should actually happen, not to mention unsure what kind of void this is, be it a mass of "nothingness", or it actually lacks anything there at all, physics adherent or not.

Bottom: “When a world is created, pain always follows”

This brings up the question of what kind of pain? Does Deuteronomion feel pain itself, like agony, discomfort, or strain? Pain Manipulation on itself weakness? Does it drain the Life of things within the world it creates? Or maybe it's some kind of Fate Manipulation, since, going a bit metafictional, conflict, strife & hardship are common & constant for fiction, & could be expected when opposing or dissonant/disharmonious things are combined together? Yu-Gi-Oh! as a whole has battles central to it, so it could be the case that something like that is why "pain always follows" is said. But we don't know which worlds Deuteronomion made.

Kind of interesting, but quite vague, & a lot of uncertainty, I'd say.

Hope this helps!
Anyone have any thoughts on the matter?

There universes as depicted in the concept art and varying arts of other cards it's in
 
Which part of the post are you specifically replying to?
Also, which cards are you saying that about?
Just that specific part

It's part of the regenesis archetype

Please pay close attention to the artwork of the concept art and other card arts

Look up the cards regenesis birth,regenesis demiurge and regenesis pentateuch
 
I have a question

Does Atem ever have all of the millennium items at one point in time?
I don't remember exactly, but with a little research, I found this: In the Egyptian Memories arc in Duel Monsters, they were all in front of Athem for a short time. But it wasn't for possession, but for ritual purposes.
 
I don't remember exactly, but with a little research, I found this: In the Egyptian Memories arc in Duel Monsters, they were all in front of Athem for a short time. But it wasn't for possession, but for ritual purposes.
I don't remember exactly, but with a little research, I found this: In the Egyptian Memories arc in Duel Monsters, they were all in front of Athem for a short time. But it wasn't for possession, but for ritual purposes.
But does he use them?
 
What do you guy's think about the beginning of yugioh the dark side of dimensions where we see the creation and destruction of universes? What do you think about the genesis omega dragon and numeron dragon who created a higher dimension without metaphysics?
 
I see but in is 5ds timeline especially post EOS timeline Yugi still consider as strongest duelist?
I personally don't know but from what I've seen a lot of people don't think so. But if the movie is anything to go by then yes yugi would be the best. Also think about this,if yugi were to duel another protagonist officially/within Canon who do you think would win or would it at least be a stalemate?
 
Hey what do you guy's think about these cards? Demise gets an upgrade/a possible fusion between him and ruin but in ritual form. With his effect he's even stronger than yugioh monsters with 5000 atk
 
Potential additional abilities in Yu-Gi-Oh! R

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Story Synopsis:
Kaiba enters KaibaCorp to confront Yako Tenma, who has seized control of the corporation. To his astonishment, he discovers Anzu Mazaki confined within a computerised apparatus resembling a hibernation pod in the distance. Yako proceeds to explain the circumstances.
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Yako:
ククク・・・
リバース・オブ・アバダー計画…
真崎杏子はペガサス様の魂を復活させるためのコア・ピース・・・・・・

kaiba:
ペガサスの・・・復活だと!?!?!

Yako:
ペガサス様の創造されたカードに溶け込んだせいれん「魂」を精錬して取り出すため………
デュエル・リング・サーバ内のヘテロジニアス状のカードデータをホモジニアス(均質)化し真崎杏子という代替人体に流し込みます・・・・・・

deepl:
Yako:
Kukuku...
Rebirth of the Avatar Project...
Anzu Mazaki is the core piece to revive Pegasus-sama's soul...

Kaiba:
Pegasus's... revival?!?!?

Yako:
To refine and extract the ‘soul’ of the spirit that fused into the cards created by Pegasus-sama...
We will homogenise the heterogeneous card data within the Duel Ring Server and channel it into the substitute human body of Anzu Mazaki...

google:
Yako:
Heh heh heh...
Rebirth of the Avatar Project...
Masaki Anzu is the core piece needed to revive Pegasus' soul...

Kaiba:
Pegasus'... revival?!?!?!

Yako:
In order to refine and extract the "souls" infused into the cards created by Pegasus...
The heterogeneous card data within the Duel Ring Server will be homogenized and injected into the substitute body known as Masaki Anzu...

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Yako:
魂は肉体を求めるもの・・・
真崎杏子の中で魂は精錬され・・・

組み上がるのですよ・・・
ペガサス様の人格がね

kaiba:
人格。。。
魂…?

ふざけるな!!!
電子回路における0と1のデータの集まりの中に「魂」などという非科学的な物が含まれているなど・・・ありえん!!!

yako:
海馬瀬人…
あなたには経験があるはずですよ・・・
あなたは数多の決闘者の中でカードに内包された「魂」を感じることの出来る数少ないうちの一人なのだから・・

deepl:
Yako:
The soul seeks the body... Within Masaki Kyoko, the soul is refined... and assembled... Pegasus-sama's personality, that is.

Kaiba:
Personality...
Soul...?
Don't be ridiculous!!!
That something unscientific like a ‘soul’ could be contained within a collection of 0s and 1s in an electronic circuit... Impossible!!!

Yako:
Seto Kaiba...
You should know this from experience... For you are one of the few duelists who can sense the “soul” contained within cards.

google:
Yako:
The soul seeks a body... Within Masaki Kyoko, the soul is refined... and assembled... into Pegasus's personality.

Kaiba:
Personality...
Soul...?
Don't be ridiculous!!!
It's impossible that something as unscientific as a "soul" could be contained within a collection of 0s and 1s in an electronic circuit!!!

Yako:
Kaiba Seto...
You must have had this experience... You're one of the few duelists who can sense the "soul" contained within cards.
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kaiba
何っ!?

yako:
たとえば

バトルシップにおける対イシズ戦・・・
あなたは何かに導かれ青眼の白龍を召喚した――
そしてデュエルタワーにおいて対遊戯戦の「神」対「神」の激突の時あなた達二人は何かを共有しています

ペガサス様はすべてのカード1枚1枚に「魂」を与えられたのです・・・

ならば・・・
すべてのカード全体を俯瞰で捉えることが出来れば
ペガサス様の「魂」がある・・・

kaiba:
だまれっ・・・!!!
そのようなことキサマの考えた絵空事だ!!

deepl:
Kaiba:
What!?

Yako:
For instance...

In the battle against Isis in Battleship...
You were guided to summon the Blue-Eyes White Dragon—
And in the Duel Tower, during the clash of ‘gods’ against ‘gods’ against Yugi, you two shared something.

Lord Pegasus bestowed a ‘soul’ upon every single card...

Then...
If one could grasp the entirety of all cards from a bird's-eye view
Lord Pegasus's ‘soul’ would reside there...

Kaiba:
Shut up...!!!
Such nonsense is nothing but your own delusions!!

Google:
kaiba
What!?

yako:
For example

The battle against Ishizu on the Battleship...
You were guided by something and summoned Blue-Eyes White Dragon.

And then, in the Duel Tower, when you faced Yugi in a god-versus-god clash, the two of you shared something.

Lord Pegasus bestowed a "soul" on every single card...

So...
If you could see all the cards from a bird's-eye view,
you would find Lord Pegasus' "soul" there...

kaiba:
Shut up...!!!
That's just a fantasy you came up with!!
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yako:
いえ・・・
すでに成功例はあります・・・・・・

kaiba:
何つ・・・
成功例だと!?

yako:
その者は決闘者の王国において
ペガサス様による罰ゲームによって魂を砕かれ廃人と化した決闘者…

決闘者は生命力・・・つまり「魂」の力が強い・・・
私は決闘者の「心の剣」と言われるその者の所有する「デッキ」から「魂」を精錬し――
成功した・・・

kaiba:
バ・・・
バカな!?!!

yako:
その者は今

kaiba:
こ・・・これは・・・?

Deepl:
yako:
No...
There are already successful cases...

kaiba:
What...
Successful cases!?

yako:
That individual was a duelist who, in the Kingdom of Duelists, had their soul shattered by Lord Pegasus's punishment game and became a wreck...
Duelists possess strong vitality... that is, the power of their ‘souls’... I refined the ‘soul’ from that individual's “deck”, known as the Duelist's ‘Sword of the Heart’... and succeeded...

Kaiba:
B...
Bloody hell!?!!

Yako:
That individual is now...

Kaiba:
W-What... is this...?

google:

yako:
No...
There have already been successful cases...

kaiba:
How many...
success cases!?

yako:
That person was a duelist in the Kingdom of Duelists,
whose soul was shattered by Pegasus' punishment game, leaving him a wreck...
Duelists have a strong life force...in other words, their "soul"...
I refined the "soul" from that person's "deck," which is said to be the "sword of the duelist's heart," and succeeded...

kaiba:
I...
That's stupid!?!!

yako:
That person is now

kaiba:
Th...what is...?

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(Through the surveillance feed on the computer screen, Yako informed Kaiba that the individual successfully revived was Keith Howard.)


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yako:
武藤遊戯は私の送ったカード・プロフェッサー達を退け・・・
ここに向かっています

闘えば闘うほどに彼の魂が際立つようにカードに与えられた「魂」は震え・・・・・・

よりはっきりとした意志となって増幅される・・・・・・

その先に私の計画の成功がある!

deepl:
Yako:
Yugi Muto has repelled the Card Professors I sent...
and is heading this way.

The more he battles, the more his soul stands out. The ‘soul’ bestowed upon the cards trembles...

...and amplifies into a clearer, more distinct will...

Beyond that lies the success of my plan!

google:
yako:
Yugi Muto has defeated the Card Professors I sent...
He's heading this way.

The more he fights, the more his spirit stands out. The "souls" given to the cards tremble...

They become more clearly amplified and powerful...

Beyond that lies the success of my plan!



Summary:
Through Yako's dialogue, it is revealed that after Pegasus's death, his soul became bound within his card deck. Yako intends to extract this soul and, through a series of procedures, channel it into Anzu's body to resurrect Pegasus.
Moreover, they had previously successfully revived Keith Howard using this method.
(It signifies that a duelist's soul may become bound to their deck after death.)

Furthermore, Yako states that Kaiba is one of the rare duelists capable of sensing souls.

Moreover, the more a duelist battles, the more the souls within their cards tremble, causing their will and power to grow ever stronger.

What should these abilities be called?
 
Woke up to find DB had given me a splendid surprise.
I'm quite looking forward to DB and the prediction blog's analysis of Yugi and just how far Yugi can scale.
 
Yu-Gi-Oh BIG Black hole feat?
masterduel

Japanese:
最も強い重力場は周囲の物質を吸い込み、光さえ脱出することはできない。
その反面で極限的な速度で周囲の物質を噴出し、モンスターを形成することもあるという。

English:
A gravitational field of unsurpassed strength sucks in surrounding matter, not allowing even light to escape.
Conversely, it is said that it sometimes ejects surrounding matter at extreme speeds, forming monsters.

This feat is from the wallpaper depiction of Master Duel's Dark Hole Dragon, and judging from the description and the card art, it appears that the black hole connected underneath Dark Hole Dragon is none other than the actual black hole.
Considering the background, Dark Hole Dragon is certainly quite large, and would certainly be a super powerful feat if it could be calculated.I hope someone calculates this feat.
 
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Yu-Gi-Oh BIG Black hole feat?
masterduel

Japanese:
最も強い重力場は周囲の物質を吸い込み、光さえ脱出することはできない。
その反面で極限的な速度で周囲の物質を噴出し、モンスターを形成することもあるという。

English:
A gravitational field of unsurpassed strength sucks in surrounding matter, not allowing even light to escape.
Conversely, it is said that it sometimes ejects surrounding matter at extreme speeds, forming monsters.

This feat information is provided in Master Duel's Dark Hole Dragon wallpaper description, and from the picture and description, it appears that Dark Hole Dragon is none other than the black hole itself.
Considering the background, Dark Hole Dragon is certainly quite large, and would certainly be a super powerful feat if it could be calculated.I hope someone calculates this feat.
Wouldnt be the first one
 
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《Master Guide》《Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL Duel Terminal Overlay Guide 2》《Gekitotsu! Duel Carnival! Duel Champion Guide》scan
 
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In that year's V-JUMP magazine, it seems to have mentioned that Duel Links is an infinitely vast duel universe.
In terms of plot and background, the Duel Links game is indeed a continuation of the Duel Links mentioned in TRANSCEND GAME/DSOD, so it can be considered canon.

*However, the magazine screenshot is too blurry. I hope someone has a clearer version.
 
そして...邪神とは「神」そのもの...

上級呪文の効果ガせいせい一ターンのみ有効になるだけ
大抵の罠・魔法は無効とされてしまう

Deepl translator:
And... The Evil God is a god itself...

The effects of advanced spells are only effective for one turn
Most traps and magic are considered invalid.

Google translator:
And... the evil god is "God" itself...

The effects of advanced spells are only effective for one turn
Most traps and magic are nullified
By the way, just a reminder: the term “spells” here is used literally and does not refer to spell cards.
In the Japanese context, the direct English translation of “魔法カード” is “Magic Card.” In TCG terminology, it is translated as “spell card.”
 
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