You Say SPARTA| Kratos VS Izuku Midoriya

[Bruhtelho]

Spartan Cadet Kratos and Dark Hero Arc 30% Deku are used

Fight takes place within Ground Beta

Speed is unequalized (for now)

Both start 50 meters apart

SBA otherwise​

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(Machmatej, PedjaTarzan, Voidnether, CastoriceTheFifth, Anonymous_Learner, Planck69, Jackof_noTrades068, Lloydblitzed, Tatsumi504)

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[Bruhtelho]

Stats for Both:

Kratos is: 1.30 Megatons, with speed superior to Mach 24.42, but has a speed of light projectiles with the Solar Sling

Deku is: 2.15 Megatons which goes up to 10.75 Megatons via Fa-jin. his speed is superior to Mach 25.76 further increased via Fa-Jin. and has armor on his arms and legs that sit at 18.65 Teratons.

hopefully this isn't a stomp and pictures are unrelated obviously

 

[Planck69]

Kratos is 1.30 Megatons. He also upscales from his speed value (his finishers basically statue the monsters he fights) so he should be even with Deku's base speed, not including Fa Jin.

Anyways, for the fight, Deku has far higher lifting strength so restraining Kratos is a real win condition for him. He also has greater range with his moves, but Kratos has both a passive forcefield to absorb blows that reforms in around 3 seconds and a shield to block with. Of course Fa Jin would make this a oneshot gap, but Kratos also has one-time resurrection.

Skill wise, Kratos is more combat capable than all of his age mates in the Agoge, most adult Spartans, as well as undead warriors with mastery over the blade. Anyone can chime in on Deku though, I'm unsure who takes it there.

Of course, now to the main course. Kratos oneshots the moment an attack lands past Deku's armor due to Soul Magic. His armors can block that but Kratos has the Petrified Spike, a spear head that can petrify even stone and metal automata into relatively fragile rock. He also has time slow on every dodge, parry and evasion, can slow down time with the Soldier's Point as well as layer his attacks several times over via phasing between realities with the Crown's Agis. Of course he can only do these one at a time.

Not voting yet. Just laying things out.

 

[Voidnether]

Ngl deku perception blitzes here, what's to say he won't go beyond 30% and be Relativistic+ after, and also the massive LS difference. I won't vote just yet, but like I am pretty sure it's in-character for Deku to use Black Whip and therefore incapacitate Kratos since it doesn't seem like Kratos is going to use all of the abilities listed immediately anyway especially not at once

Combat wise, I still think Deku outskills though if Kratos is only superior in terms of combat intelligence to those kind plus Deku has the range advantage here. Not to mention Deku is many times more durable which forces Kratos to straight up use duraneg hax anyway

 

[Planck69]

Is Deku not restricted to 30%? If he can go higher on a whim then yeah, I don't see this going anywhere if he can just blitz Kratos.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I can explain the skill part but even Faux 100% alone is a reverse perception blitz. It even blitzes attacks that were blitzing Deku hard and he would've died if it hadn't been for Danger Sense and his cracked Analytical Predictions

Hell it doesn't even take long to actually pull it off either. He just flexes his muscles and it charges up Fa Jin.

 

[Bruhtelho]

Is Deku not restricted to 30%? If he can go higher on a whim then yeah, I don't see this going anywhere if he can just blitz Kratos.

Deku is restricted to 30% yes or he'd just stomp. also Deku doesn't have a perception level blitz here, thats in his final key, idk how high of an amp Fa-Jin is 100% but it did allow him to speed past attacks that could keep up with his unamped speed.

I can respond to other stuff regarding Deku like skill later but for now Castorice got that covered I think

 

[Planck69]

Oh, then that's makes things simpler.

Kratos has the Evergreen Flame, which can vaporize creatures that can withstand the Solar Sling, which has Sun like heat, and he can make these fireballs rain via Hearth Rain. He can also surround himself in a barrier of lightning magic that also does offensive damage with the Thunder Barb.

Mark of the Redeemer lets Kratos have a chance of reflecting damage back at his attacker passively and Lucky Amber gives his luck a boost to make that happen more frequently.

He can also stun Deku with any parry he makes via Stunning Screech, also subject to the above chances and luck.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Deku is restricted to 30% yes or he'd just stomp. also Deku doesn't have a perception level blitz here, thats in his final key, idk how high of an amp Fa-Jin is 100% but it did allow him to speed past attacks that could keep up with his unamped speed.

I can respond to other stuff regarding Deku like skill later but for now Castorice got that covered I think

He does have it in this key. Faux 100% is accepted as a perception blitz on profiles too
(His Faux 100% blitzed Lady Nagant and moved significantly faster than her fastest bullets)

His Final War Arc Key just has like 3 perception blitzes.

 

[Bruhtelho]

He does have it in this key. Faux 100% is accepted as a perception blitz on profiles too
(His Faux 100% blitzed Lady Nagant and moved significantly faster than her fastest bullets)

His Final War Arc Key just has like 3 perception blitzes.

I see, ig it is a perception blitz, its just not spammable.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

kill wise, Kratos is more combat capable than all of his age mates in the Agoge, most adult Spartans, as well as undead warriors with mastery over the blade. Anyone can chime in on Deku though, I'm unsure who takes it there.

So Deku when he was only in UA High for like few months has showcased great analytical prediction skills as explained by @Kingofwolves999

• Deku, in his base form, could not perceive Gran Torino while they were training. He was moving so fast Deku literally couldn’t even see him. Despite this, Deku predicted his movement trajectories TWICE. Once was when they first ever met, he predicted Torino’s pattern of moving behind him and twisted to hit him, which Torino even praised as a good prediction, but Deku was just to slow, otherwise he would have hit him. The second was to bait him into a two layered trap and score a hit on him while activating 5% Full Cowl, which he had learned 30 seconds ago, forcing Torino to use a higher speed out of sheer panic, and even then he got hit.
• Against Stain, first ever encounter before he even knew anything about him, Deku predicted Stain’s swing back and preemptively jumped over it to land a straight shot to his head. He was only caught by Bloodcurdle and paralyzed because he didn’t realize that’s how his quirk worked with a tiny drop of blood, otherwise he would have dodged the second blade Stain had for when he dashed between his legs.
• Against Mirio, who he had seen fight for a total of 5 seconds, he predicted not only that he would be coming after him in the first place in a group of 10+ people, but also the exact area he would come out of the ground and was already launching a kick at his head before Mirio, who is faster than him, could fully process that he had just been predicted. Mirio only manages to get the upper hand because he is faster than 8% Deku and thus reacts before getting hit.
• Gentle Criminal was similarly way faster than Deku to the point he could not predict his movements from his rapid bouncing on top of reflecting back his own attacks to mix in with his bouncing. For all of 20 seconds. Because immediately after claiming Gentle is impossible to predict, he breaks down his quirk, predicts the exact angles of his applications on them (despite the air barriers being invisible), bounces off them to catch up and outsmart Gentle, then again in a split instant before his back even hits the ground, as Gentle spawns an entirely new air barrier shield, threads between the invisible barriers to bounce off the top one and score a direct hit to his chest and apprehend him. A mix of predicting the exact size of something that is invisible, predicting Gentle’s own reaction to him dodging his first attempted barrier, calculating an exact angle to bounce his air shot off of and executing it perfectly for a capture, all in a near instant. All of which he did purely based on his intelligence and predicting the exact usage, speed and technique of an opponent that not even a minute ago he couldn’t predict at all.

On the Mirio point, no one could keep up with Mirio and his speed made it look like he was warping across the room. Even with all that, Deku still predicted him

This was all when he was very inexperienced

Deku in the final act at that point has fought tons of more superpowered villains that possessed weird or one shot instant death quirks.

He was capable of analyzing Lady Nagant's movement patterns and accurately pin point her location solely based on the tracjetory of her bullets from across the city while at night time and heavy rain. He was capable of mastering the Fa Jin quirk despite never using the quirk at all. He was also capable of performing multiple mental processes at once, something that isn't actually practical for the human brain. He is also capable of outskilling a Genius such as All For One who has over hundred years of experience who also possesses analytical prediction skills capable of predicting those who he can't even perceive at all due to perception blitz amps. His analytical prediction skills combined with Danger sense can allow him to keep up with attacks that can blitz him such as Lady Nagant's bullets. He can also instantly use ideas he came up on the spot and use his quirks in the most unconventional ways that even the original quirk wielders didn't think was possible. On top of that, the 8 vestiges of OFA can actively give him advice on what to do mid battle,

Mark of the Redeemer lets Kratos have a chance of reflecting damage back at his attacker passively and Lucky Amber gives his luck a boost to make that happen more frequently.

He has fought a villain who possessed an attack reflection quirk capable of reflecting all of Deku's attacks up to Country level and defeated him.

 

[Mbpoops]

Kratos fra

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Deku has far higher lifting strength so restraining Kratos is a real win condition for him

Ngl I don't know what stops Deku from just completely immobilizing Kratos with blackwhip instantly and completely restraining him while spamming smashes on him like a pinata (Unironically something he did before)

He also has greater range with his moves, but Kratos has both a passive forcefield to absorb blows that reforms in around 3 seconds and a shield to block with.

This does not really work well in MHA

His armors can block that but Kratos has the Petrified Spike, a spear head that can petrify even stone and metal automata into relatively fragile rock

Blackwhip Forcefield


Btw Deku also upscales his AP and Durability stats in this percent and key

I also don't know what prevents Deku from perception blitzing Kratos like he did against Lady Nagant. These were long distance blitzes too.



He severely outsped one of Nagant's fastest bullets. Her other bullets prior were already blitzing Deku and Faux 100% still allowed him to outspeed it despite already traveling to Chisaki's location and was almost nearly hitting him. The same bullets that can travel 200 kilometers in an instant.

Deku doing anything, down to flexing his muscles or moving can charge up the amp so theres that.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Faux 100% percent is achieved using 45% one for all and a most likely maxed charged Fa Jin and centrifugal force. Given he's restricted to 30% here, how is it even an option available for him to use? The arguments made with it also doesn't factor in how much energy he needs to store initially with Fa Jin as well as the centrifugal force requirement either.

The amount of set up required + the fact that both of them prefer or rather fight in cqc in character most of the time makes it relevance inconsequential. Being restricted to 30% makes it an impossibility all together

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Faux 100% percent is achieved using 45% one for all and a most likely maxed charged Fa Jin and centrifugal force. Given he's restricted to 30% here, how is it even an option available for him to use? The arguments made with it also doesn't factor in how much energy he needs to store initially with Fa Jin as well as the centrifugal force requirement either.

Is this like your first ever Deku match? Faux 100% isn’t exclusive to 45% he can do this at any percentage. Faux 100% is just the combination of whatever OFA percentage he’s at combined with Fa Jin and Blackwhip. Hell he’s even used Faux 100% without using 45% in canon.

there’s like 8 other accepted 30% Dark Hero Deku matchups that has him using this amp

Also the argument factors in how Deku doing anything from moving to flexing his muscles charges Fa Jin so that’s not an issue.

The amount of set up required

What? Deku pulled off a Faux 100% while getting jumped by like 20 people while severely crippled and tired. What amount of set up is there?

the fact that both of them prefer or rather fight in cqc in character most

Defeats the entire point of Deku's Air Face tactics and abusing shockwaves innit.

Being restricted to 30% makes it an impossibility all together

Being restricted to 30% doesn’t make it impossible because he’s not increasing his OFA output. It’s literally the combination of Fa Jin + Blackwhip, that’s all.

 

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Heres a couple of Dark Hero matches where Deku used Faux 100% at 30%. Hell the last match Deku was restricted to Base and he can still use it and was accepted that he can do it.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

mm yeah going with deku with current arguments from @CastoriceTheFifth

 

[TheRustyOne]

Heres a couple of Dark Hero matches where Deku used Faux 100% at 30%. Hell the last match Deku was restricted to Base and he can still use it and was accepted that he can do it.

If Izuku is being restricted to 30%, then he cannot use Faux 100%.

I was under the assumption that when people said Faux 100%, they didn't mean it literally. I thought they were talking about the boost he gets from Fa Jin + Blackwhip, which is what Faux 100% is. He can do that at any percentage, but it doesn't have a name, so people call it Faux 100%. That was my assumption at least.

(I personally disagree that Izuku can even use the extra Quirks in base, but whatever.)

Basically, Faux 100% = Fa Jin + Blackwhip.

However, Fa Jin + Blackwhip =/= Faux 100%.

You can have Fa Jin + Blackwhip without it being Faux 100%.

If the claim has been that Izuku is actually reaching 100% power and speed, that's wrong.

If that's not the claim, then you all need to come up with a name for it. Calling it Faux 100% is confusing.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If Izuku is being restricted to 30%, then he cannot use Faux 100%.

I was under the assumption that when people said Faux 100%, they didn't mean it literally. I thought they were talking about the boost he gets from Fa Jin + Blackwhip, which is what Faux 100% is. He can do that at any percentage, but it doesn't have a name, so people call it Faux 100%. That was my assumption at least.

(I personally disagree that Izuku can even use the extra Quirks in base, but whatever.)

Basically, Faux 100% = Fa Jin + Blackwhip.

However, Fa Jin + Blackwhip =/= Faux 100%.

You can have Fa Jin + Blackwhip without it being Faux 100%.

If the claim has been that Izuku is actually reaching 100% power and speed, that's wrong.

If that's not the claim, then you all need to come up with a name for it. Calling it Faux 100% is confusing.

The claim isnt that Deku is reaching 100% power or country relativistic + stats. The claim is that Deku can obtain the same strong amplification boost. Of course it wouldnt be his 100% strength because hes doing this on 30%

Faux 100% name was used so it doesnt confuse people with Normal Fa Jin’s boost.

Fa Jin name alone is a no go

Better names are Fa Jin Centrifugal Force or Fa Jin Ultimate I guess

 

[Machmatej]

i'd give this to Izuku

he can just spam his shockwave bullets at a range to destroy forcefields and eventually wear him down

he can build up fa jin, attack, fly away, then charge it again until he eventually lands and obliterates Kratos

most of Kratos' weaponry seems kind of useless, since Deku can just disarm him with Black Whip unless Kratos can call them back

and Kratos doesn't really have a counter to getting LS diffed. if Deku can make an opening for Black Whip, then he's instantly just restraining Kratos

Deku's plenty skilled himself, and Danger Sense + the LS difference is enough for him to keep up in CQC too.

voting Deku fra

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

and Kratos doesn't really have a counter to getting LS diffed. if Deku can make an opening for Black Whip, then he's instantly just restraining Kratos

 

[Machmatej]

exactly what i meant lmao

 

[Planck69]

If Fa Jin's a blitz boost than can Kratos even do anything here? I keep seeing a lot of back and forth on that.

 

[Machmatej]

If Fa Jin's a blitz boost than can Kratos even do anything here? I keep seeing a lot of back and forth on that.

it's definitely a blitz, but ig it depends on the distance between them and whether or not Kratos has some type of precog to aim dodge or something. because Fa Jin needs to be charged and while it is quick, its basically a one direction movement.

 

[Planck69]

it's definitely a blitz, but ig it depends on the distance between them and whether or not Kratos has some type of precog to aim dodge or something. because Fa Jin needs to be charged and while it is quick, its basically a one direction movement.

Not in this key. His precog/anal predict/info analysis is Ghost of Sparta and above.

Deku has the greater range in this scenario too.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

To clarify the blitz amp

Fa Jin is a normal boost


Fa Jin Centrifugal Force is the blitz amp

its basically a one direction movement.

Didn't he like swing around an entire building. Theres that atleast

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah deku FRA

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Voting Deku then I guess

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

If Fa Jin's a blitz boost than can Kratos even do anything here? I keep seeing a lot of back and forth on that.

What about Kratos literally stopping time and then just one shotting?

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Following this thread

 

[Planck69]

What about Kratos literally stopping time and then just one shotting?

It's a time bubble around him for like 10 meters?

With Deku's apparent speed here then he's just blitzing and binding before he can do anything at all.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

With Deku's apparent speed here then he's just blitzing and binding before he can do anything at all.

Deku is not doing that at the beginning of the fight, he has to charge Fa Jin first, therefore, he can or spam range attacks from hundred of metters or be on Kratos combat range and uses punches and kicks

If Deku is at distance and charge fa jin the whole fight he wins, if he gets close and is affected by any time manipulation Kratos wins

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Deku fra

 

[Planck69]

Deku is not doing that at the beginning of the fight, he has to charge Fa Jin first, therefore, he can or spam range attacks from hundred of metters or be on Kratos combat range and uses punches and kicks

If Deku is at distance and charge fa jin the whole fight he wins, if he gets close and is affected by any time manipulation Kratos wins

Hm. Kratos does also have Ray of Light so he still has an option that oneshots.

Voting for Deku then, since this doesn't seem to be a stomp.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Voting for Deku FRA

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Deku FRA

 

[Tatsumi504]

Deku FRA.
MHA supporters need to come up with a better name or explain their intent when mentioning faux 100%. I genuinely thought you meant he could reach the speed 100%

 

[Bruhtelho]

all votes counted meaning thats grace period.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Deku FRA.
MHA supporters need to come up with a better name or explain their intent when mentioning faux 100%. I genuinely thought you meant he could reach the speed 100%

Fa Jin Centrifugal Force it is then

 

[Planck69]

Grace has been reached. I'll add the threads.