Yhwach vs The Operator

[Firephoenixearl]

Make a crt for 1,000,000,000 multiplier, as of now none of that is accepted.

That's already in the profiles dude.

 

[Rocker1189]

That's already in the profiles dude.

yeah in the description not, literally making them High 6-A via mods.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

No the mods being canon simply means that you can say that they are stronger, faster, etc via mods. you can not use the literal number from a video game as a canon interpretation of their power. If you want to do so, make a CRT and get them to High 6-A.

They are not High 6-A though.

That's like giving Issei Hyoudou tier for after he boosts. Stat amps are stat amps. There is a reason they exist.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

There was never a crt about the multiplier, just you putting it as a stat amp. Please link the crt where you mentioned it's a 1,000,000,000 multiplier and where it's accepted.

 

[Rocker1189]

@Rocker1189
Also, LoL attacks using percentages in their descriptions are not at all comparable to Mods in Warframe

They are 100 percent comparable, most their abilities are just as real. Heck the items actually exist in the LoL verse. The difference is that we know it is absurd for Jax spinning his stick to allow him to defend against a High 3-A attack becuase LUL 100% dmg reduction.

 

[Dienomite22]

@Rock1189

Which would lead to questions like "how much faster/stronger etc?" and then using the percentages of the mods as the answer to that which would make the same outcome happen

 

[Rocker1189]

They are not High 6-A though.

That's like giving Issei Hyoudou tier for after he boosts. Stat amps are stat amps. There is a reason they exist.

Yeah stat amps are stat amps, until we know how much stronger they make you then they get given a tier.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

@Rock1189
Which would lead to questions like "how much faster/stronger etc?" and then using the percentages of the mods as the answer to that which would make the same outcome happen

There is also the possibility is the the notable attack and techiques for LoL's pages could be rip off from another website though.

Edit: It does say on the some of the profiles to being game mechaincs anyway.

 

[Rocker1189]

@Rock1189
Which would lead to questions like "how much faster/stronger etc?" and then using the percentages of the mods as the answer to that which would make the same outcome happen

Which is what we do with most stat amps without real info given people normally assume them to be a boost of 2 times to maybe a bit more.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Saying Warframe can get a 2x boost is laughable at best.

@Hammer

Nah i wrote them all myself.

 

[Rocker1189]

Saying Warframe can get a 2x boost is laughable at best.
@Hammer

Nah i wrote them all myself.

Bring proof before it becomes laughable.

and as Sigurd said I want to see where this 1 billion boost was accepted.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I was referring to the League of Legend's pages. Look like a CRT is in order for the profiles for League of Legend's characters.

 

[Rocker1189]

I was referring to the League of Legend's pages. Look like a CRT is in order for the profiles for League of Legend's characters.

a few peolpe are getting boosts in power some are getting downgraded and some profiles need fixing, but we dont use the actual percentages and numbers for anything in vs debates.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

@Rocker

Still I will do a CRT regarding that to prevent confusion of course.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

As i said, that won't really impact this match, but ok feel free to create the CRT.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

As i said, that won't really impact this match, but ok feel free to create the match.

Not match. CRT for the League of Legends since it seems you misunderstanding my words apparently.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Oh. I thought you meant CRT about warframe. My bad.

 

[Rocker1189]

As i said, that won't really impact this match, but ok feel free to create the match.

Create what match? You mean create the CRT. No dude you need to create the CRT to make them High 6-A or remove the High 6-A and 5-C durability..

 

[HammerStrikes219]

No it is more like a upgrade for Warframe since he is currently ranked as low 6B I think.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yeah the CRT. Well the thing is, it's already on the profiles. People agreed that stat amp, dmg red/amp was fine even though in the CRT it was as boost of several thousands that can go into the millions.... like in the profile. Me creating the profile is like me questioning the things i added myself. Another person has to do that, it'll look dumb if i do.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

@Fire

Link to the CRT please.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Anyway let's continue here. It really doesn't mean much in this match, even if i remove the High 6-A/5-C part.

@Hammer

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2387700

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah the CRT. Well the thing is, it's already on the profiles. People agreed that stat amp, dmg red/amp was fine even though in the CRT it was as boost of several thousands that can go into the millions.... like in the profile. Me creating the profile is like me questioning the things i added myself. Another person has to do that, it'll look dumb if i do.

Yeah they probably agreed to getting the stat amp in the profiles since the warframe indeed have stat amps, but saying that they expected you to actually use billions of times amp and not have you upgrade their tiers several times from that is laughable.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Im not upgrading their AP, im just giving them pre-match stat amp.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

From Imade though:


"1) I agree with the Immortalities except 3. We have yet to see Regenerationn of this level.

2) Mid-Godly is definitely a no. We've never even seen a Warframe regenerate injuries except for when they were stabbed through the chest by Shadow Stalker.

3) It's not immunity since the Grinner Queens could mess with the Operator's mind through the Warframe. It's resistance at best.

4) This is a Game Mechanic; however, some Frames do have this via abilities.

• Frost (Prime): Via his third ability, Snow Globe: Frost deep freezes any vapor and moisture in the area, creating a protective sphere with the brief invulnerability to boost it's strength.
• Harrow: Via his fourth ability, Covenant: Protect nearby allies with an energy force that absorbs all damage and converts it to a Critcal Chance bonus for all those under the Covenant. Headshots are amplified further.
• Nidus: Via his passive ability: If Nidus is killed with at least 15 stacks of Mutation, those 15 stacks are consumed; this grants 5 seconds of invulnerability and restores health to 50%.
• Revenant: Via his second ability, Mesmer Skin: Become enveloped in Sentient energy, redirecting damage and stunning all those who dare attack. Stunned enemies can be Enthralled at no energy cost.
• Trinity: Via her third ability, Link: Any damage taken while Link is active will be channeled to a nearby enemy.

The other frames would not qualify, not even Nezha, Rhino and Valkyr who have invulernability as a game mechanic.

5) All correct, but you need to label which individual Warframe gets these abilities, they don't all have the same abilities.

6) You can't actually prove Precognition nor Clairvoyance

7) Agree, but which weapon has Durability Negation?

8) True.

9) That's a Game Mechanic, and it's not Time Manipulation. Die on Fortuna or Cetus and time is still the same.

10) Adaption is the name of a literal Mod in Warframe that grants up to 90% resistance for 20 seconds to whatever hits them. So yeah, but Reactive Evolution doesn't applicable.

11) Technically true yes. Somehow Mesa's bullets will shoot a dude from the Rift dimension when the dude is outside of the dimension.

12) Incorrect, the Void in Warframe is not the same Void in our Void Manipulation page.

13) Some additions:

• Itzal's fourth ability, Fighter Escort: Deploys drones that fight alongside the Warframe, each detonating in a destructive blast when killed. I don't know our ability term for this. Amesha has a similar ability for it's first ability, Watchful Swarm: Tiny drones orbit the Warframe or an ally, and intercept enemy fire.
• Odonata's (Prime) first ability, Energy Shell: Forms a protective energy shell around the Warframe. Barrier Creation.
• Elytron's second ability, Core Vent: Vents out the Archwing's propulsion core, confusing the enmy projectiles and causing them to detonate. Technically Smoke Creation.
• Amesha's second ability, Benevolent Decoy: Creates beacons that draw enemy fire, converting the damage into healing pulses. Straight Healing ability.

I don't agree with Black Hole creation. Itzal's Cosmic Crush clearly isn't a real black hole and it even says a miniature black hole in it's description. Also, you should specify which exact Archwing grants these abilities for accuracy's sake.

14) Power Bestowal as well. The newest Aura, Power Donation, grants 30% Power Strength to teammates.

15) Yes, but you should specify which Mods do this and which Warframes have the actual abilities that grant them some of these abilities. Clearly Rhino does not have any Elemental ability, thus specify the exact affected Warframes.

16) This is a game mechanic and it's getting removed from the game most likely in Melee 3.0 as the Developers have been saying the past year in their Devstreams.

17) I mean yeah I guess.

Now onto the Limbo stuff.

1) You can't prove intangibility, but non-corporeal probably fits more. He's not actually intangible, he's in another dimension solely.

2) The ability description for Stasis doesn't actually say it stops time. Just that it freezes those in the Rift and even enemy projectiles.

3) True, it's the basics of his ability.

4) This is false. I can be far away from an Excavation drill that I've placed my Cataclysm on and it will still get nullified if a Nullifier touches it with his bubble.

5) True.

6) Mention that this is done with the Rift Torrent augment for his Rift Surge ability.

7) Where do you get this idea from? It's been like 4 years since I've played Limbo Theorem, so I may have forgotten some key details."


Mentioned game mechanics though

 

[Rocker1189]

Im not upgrading their AP, im just giving them pre-match stat amp.

I just read it, sorry but their was literally no agreement about the actual amp itself, just having the stat amps in the profile.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

He didn't mention game mechanics about the stat amp. He mentioned it about other stuff like time manipulation etc. Not about the stat amp. Point 15 which is the one which talked about the stat amp, he didn't mention any game mechanics.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

He didn't talked about how the multipliers for stat amps though.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Im not upgrading their AP, im just giving them pre-match stat amp.

I just read it, sorry but their was literally no agreement about the actual amp itself, just having the stat amps in the profile.

There were several knowledgable members in that thread though. And the best they mentioned was "you would need to specify which exact mods do that".

 

[HammerStrikes219]

@Fire

I think that means clarifying on what the mods can do though.

 

[Rocker1189]

There were several knowledgable members in that thread though. And the best they mentioned was "you would need to specify which exact mods do that".

Yes because again they did not expect you to do something s absurd as a literal billions of time boost.

I could say, hey look fiora or jax need damage reduction and post their abilities, they would go, sure yeah. But they certainly wont xpecte me to claim Jax can block any sort of damage.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Jax blocking any sort of dmg is NLF though that's another problem entirely, and is always treated as invulnerability up to the dmg you have tanked (like some dude who's 8-B but has 2-B invulnerability).

I could say the same about Rolling Guard which gives immunity to all damage. In no way in hell am i allowed to argue Loki uses Rolling Guard and tanks a hit from Network. Because he has no feats on that level. Same for your guy, that is immunity to damage, but up to the level he has shown immunity, same as how resistances work.

 

[PaChi2]

Pachi im gun bicum a writer.

Ur a real man.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

so right off the bat

The Operator has no counter or resistance to fate manipulation

therefore Yhwach stomps of principle alone

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Pachi im gun bicum a writer.

Ur a real man.

Thank--Wait. Were you doubting that up till now?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

so right off the bat
The Operator has no counter or resistance to fate manipulation

therefore Yhwach stomps of principle alone

It doesn't end the fight. It may be a nice trick, but it is not a win condition.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

It doesn't end the fight. It may be a nice trick, but it is not a win condition.

It does, in fact

Even if he can't get The Operator itself, he can just make the Warframes themselves sit there forever

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Lol the operator can't even see him and Yhwach can just absorb the entire battle field with all the warframes.

 

[PaChi2]

@Fire Im still not sure tbh.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Fire Im still not sure tbh.

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@h13 and sigurd

I countered both those points. Just read up. Paul brought them both up. And the operator can still sense yhwach. Also I'm pretty sure he cab set yhwach vis soul manip.