Yhwach vs Lavos

[Paul_Frank]

Well then this is incon as it's a constant 5 lavoses vs 1 lavos forever

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Inconclusive FRA

 

[AnonymousBlank]

So ..... Lavos in this universe just gets help from other Lavos, correct? And they are not his power but just parallel versions?

If so, why does Yhwach killing the Lavos of this universe not just end the fight in his favor?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I vote for Lavos, he can just BFR Yhwach and call it a day.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Because it's technically like Immortality type 6. Even if you kill the original, you haven't won if he still comes back after possessing something else. Similarly, you can't beat Lavos unless you can stop Lavoses from other universes to come and kill you.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I vote for Lavos, he can just BFR Yhwach and call it a day.

If lavos can come back from his own bfr resist it so can yhwach once he uses the yourself

 

[AnonymousBlank]

But thats not Lavos possessing something and continuing to fight you, thats just someone else showing up and not even part of the person you are meant to be fighting. If he just made duplicates it would make sense but this is just blatant outside help unless I am misunderstanding something.

 

[TriforcePower1]

I've also just realized that if HAD managed to get past the Flea's hax, he could technically bypass his acausality by killing all of the Lavoses in other universes exactly like he did with Funny Valentine lol

 

[GyroNutz]

The 'someone else showing up' to the fight IS Lavos

 

[TriforcePower1]

That moment when you realize Cal hasn't put the profiles in the OP

Lavos

Yhwach

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

"This is blatant outside help"

This ain't Death Battle. If Lavos summoning help from his other selves is part of his moveset, it gets used.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

But that isn't the Lavos you are fighting though, its not even his power. You are basically saying that Prime Earth Supes and Earth 2 Supes are the exact same people and one can just pop in to another's match and join in the fight because reasons.

 

[Wokistan]

iirc "Lavos" is one being across all it's iterations anyways. It's like dragging in its other bodies to fight you.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Anyway, after seeing the profiles, it seems like Lavos can do his stuff from universes away, so he just BFRs Yhwach from an another universe.

Voting Lavos

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

If he can do that, it's less voting for Lavos and more like

rip Yhwach's win conditions.

 

[Paul_Frank]

If lavos can come back from his own bfr resist it so can yhwach once he uses the yourself

 

[GyroNutz]

@AB that's not what I'm saying at all.

Think of it like temporal omnipresence. Lavos exists not just in one space-time, but in an infinite amount of space-times. They're all the same Lavos.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

But if its one being then Yhwach just looks and Yourself's, becoming infinite Yhwach+Lavos's and just kills anyway.

 

[GyroNutz]

Also yeah Lavos probably stomps

 

[Warren_Valion]

Couldn't Yhwach just wish himself back with The Visionary?

 

[Paul_Frank]

He wouldn't need to because since him and his clones are all lavos they can just come back

 

[Warren_Valion]

He wouldn't need to because since him and his clones are all lavos they can just come back

Oh that's right.

I guess Yhwach can just become Lavos with The Yourself.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Okay, Yhwach became a second Lavos. But he still cannot summon the dupes because the other Yhwach in other universes (assuming they even exist) aren't and so they cannot go to help Yhwach.

 

[Paul_Frank]

No one said they need to

He just has himself and his clones as lavos so it's a 5v1 and neither party wins

 

[Warren_Valion]

Okay, Yhwach became a second Lavos. But he still cannot summon the dupes because the other Yhwach in other universes (assuming they even exist) aren't and so they cannot go to help Yhwach.

Why wouldn't other Yhwachs in different timelines not exist?

And why would they need to help out Yhwach or wouldn't be able to after Yhwach becomes Lavos?

 

[TriforcePower1]

@Paul

Lavoses from other universes work their magic from other universes.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

5v1?

It's literally just Yhwach and his possibly clone vs an infinite army of Lavos who just takes the place of the other.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Doesn't 5-A Lavos still have Smurf hax?

If so then he should be able to use that even after Almighty and Yhwach cant copy it

 

[TriforcePower1]

Why wouldn't other Yhwachs in different timelines not exist?

And why would they need to help out Yhwach or wouldn't be able to after Yhwach becomes Lavos?

Because Bleach cosmology? I admit I'm not an expert, but didn't Bleach have only two universes? Anyway, irrelevant.

Because the "other" Yhwaches aren't Lavos and so they can't travel across universes to go help the fighting Yhwach.

 

[Warren_Valion]

5v1?
It's literally just Yhwach and his possibly clone vs an infinite army of Lavos who just takes the place of the other.

For one, Gremmy could create at least 6 clones.

And second, so?

Yhwach could become Lavos with the Yourself - obtaining his form, his memories, and his powers.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Doesn't 5-A Lavos still have Smurf hax?

If so then he should be able to use that even after Almighty and Yhwach cant copy it

Iirc the only higher D hax he had was 2-A/High 2-A absorption.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Iirc the only higher D hax he had was 2-A/High 2-A absorption.

Ok so what exactly stops Lavos from using that?

 

[Paul_Frank]

The fact that there are multiple lavoses that all have his knowledge form and powers as his opponent

Also according to his profile lavos can split into 3 copies and that didn't seem to be related to the infinite lavos tuing

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

>Yhwach can copy 2-A/High 2-A hax

No

Just no

Thats blatant NLF

 

[Paul_Frank]

He's not copying the power he is becoming the person

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

Which is just copying powers on a greater scale.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Because Bleach cosmology? I admit I'm not an expert, but didn't Bleach have only two universes? Anyway, irrelevant.

Because the "other" Yhwaches aren't Lavos and so they can't travel across universes to go help the fighting Yhwach.

What, no? Bleach has a countless amount of futures. The Almighty specifically is able to view and manipulate them.

Each Yhwach should possess the Almighty and be able to see all of the future - and thus be able to see a parallel timeline version of Yhwach fighting Lavos, and could replicate what the current Yhwach is doing by using the Yourself to become Lavos in their timeline.

 

[FateAlbane]

How the fork is this match even a thing.

Did Yhwach suddenly get Multiversal+ range in his profile and no one was notified?

Because otherwise he sure as all existence can't do anything relevant here.

 

[Axl233]

Yhwah can also see himself getting BFR then he either chose a future were that doesnt happen or gain resistence to it.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Wait? Lavos has 2-A/High 2-A absorption?

Does he, or will he use it in battle? If so, then he wins - probably stomps.

If not, then I'd vote inconclusive as the match basically becomes Lavos verses Lavos.