Yhwach vs Lavos

[FateAlbane]

Also in no possible universe does seeing all the possibilities the future can unfold as at present translates to the world having countless timelines or you having countless alternates. And even if it had, which sounds ridiculous, it would still be countless vs endless, rendering it just as moot.

What even *is* this match.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Hell

 

[TriforcePower1]

Yhwah can also see himself getting BFR then he either chose a future were that dint happen or gain resistence to it.

He can't if the person BFRing him is in an another universe. That Lavos would BFR him regardless of any change Yhwach does in his universe.

 

[FateAlbane]

Also any alt Lavos can literally BFR Yhwach from a timeline away to a place outside of an entire multiverse with infinite timelines. And since that's past his range in both fronts he can't do jack about it either. So good luck changing the future in the DBT which is denied of all time and space I suppose.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

hey it's fate

 

[Warren_Valion]

Also in no possible universe does seeing all the possibilities the future can unfold as at present translates to the world having countless timelines or you having countless alternates.
And even if it had, which sounds ridiculous, it would still be countless vs endless, rendering it just as moot.

What even *is* this match.

That's the whole point of the analogy. That the timeline diverges into countless options, countless futures.

Saying stuff akin to, "there are as many possibilities as there are grains of sand." That there are that many possible futures out there. That when making a choice you, "jump from one grain of sand to another". Implies that there is a future, or are multiple futures where a person doesn't make a choice which changes their future.

And honestly speaking, I don't understand why we consider Countless different from Endless. They are synonyms of each other and mean the exact same thing everywhere except here for reasons I don't understand.

But whatever, Yhwach's range with the Almighty wasn't what was his viable option to fight Lavos was in the first place.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Countless has never equaled endless on the wiki.

 

[Axl233]

He can't if the person BFRing him is in an another universe. That Lavos would BFR him regardless of any change Yhwach does in his universe.

He doesnt need to see Lavos from another universe,all he has to do is see himself getting poped out of existence and gain a resistence to it.

Thats how his power works.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Countless has never equaled endless on the wiki.

I know that, I said that countless and endless are synonyms in the dictionary, and that I don't get why that wouldn't be the case here.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

The dictionary isn't perfect.

 

[Jinsye]

Countless = So much shit I couldn't count

Endless = So much shit that there's actually no end.

 

[FateAlbane]

Not at all. Yhwach sees how many different ways the time can unfold and selects X accordingly.

That doesn't mean at all that are countless futures and timelines simultaneously happening, much less that there are countless alt yhwachs that may do anything about it to help each other or be like a single/shared goal with the one we see either.

Bleach has *never* done anything to imply multiple timelines on the order of countless ones existing simultaneously.

Either way, unless someone gets a revision past to suddenly give Yhwach Multiversal+ range, my point stands, yes.

 

[Kaltias]

They aren't though.

Endless means without end.

Countless means too big to count.

Try to count every bacteria on the planet and you'll find out that there are countless of them, but they are not infinite in number

 

[FateAlbane]

He doesnt need to see Lavos from another universe,all he has to do is see himself getting poped out of existence and gain a resistence to it.

Thats how his power works.

Problem is, Yhwach would need to display resistance to Erasure that's on the level of deleting timelines whole + show Multiversal+ teleportation to come back from it by travelling from one non-existing multiverse to the existing one for that to fly.

 

[Warren_Valion]

He doesnt need to see Lavos from another universe,all he has to do is see himself getting poped out of existence and gain a resistence to it.

Thats how his power works.

I am pretty sure you can't become resistant to BFR - you can just come back from it. Which is out of Yhwach's range to do so.

I am not sure if Lavos can do it, but if he can, and Yhwach takes his form via both parts of The Yourself, he should then be able to come back as Lavos.

He still gets stomped via 2-A absorption, Yhwach isn't copying that.

 

[PaChi2]

This is moar entertaining than I first thought.

 

[FateAlbane]

This match actually feels horrible to me and I'm considering ending my friendship with cal for DMing me about it asking for input, actually.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Cal has numerous times admitted he likes to make bad threads for fun.

 

[Schnee_One]

Even though most of his threads cause geniuene annoyance for everyone else.

 

[Warren_Valion]

They aren't though.
Endless means without end.

Countless means too big to count.

Try to count every bacteria on the planet and you'll find out that there are countless of them, but they are not infinite in number

What? That's wrong.

You can count how many bacteria there are because that number would be finite, granted it would be a really big ******* number that seems countless and would probably take an unbelievable amount of time to count all of them, but it wouldn't truly be countless.

What you can't count to is infinity, because you can always add one more - the same doesn't apply to the bacteria, as they have an end.


When people say that there are and endless or countless amount of something, it being hyperoblic most of the time, but the words are interchangable.

 

[Jinsye]

"Countless" generally means you'd lose count before you'd ever complete the number. You can try and count all the bacteria in the world but you'd forget what number you're at soon enough.

"Endless" means there is literally no end to the amount of stuff.

 

[FateAlbane]

No thread of Cal before this one ever bothered me but this one.

This one has me a teensy bit on the ugh side because I told him the idea felt nonsensical to me beforehand for reasons already expanded upon and some others.

Actually, if he made it and didn't notify me for input I probably wouldn't have bothered but that added so much points to my WHYmometer...

 

[Axl233]

im swear that I thought that only low 2C Lavos had 2A absorption,well stomp fra then.

 

[CrimsonStarFallen]

Pretty sure countless is more due to human limitation. You can't count to a quadrillion because you would die before completing that. Meanwhile, endless is literally "with no end"

Anyway, Yhwach uses some power, Lavos from another timeline BFRs or uses or does some other stuff from infinite universes away.

 

[Warren_Valion]

"Countless" generally means you'd lose count before you'd ever complete the number. You can try and count all the bacteria in the world but you'd forget what number you're at soon enough.
"Endless" means there is literally no end to the amount of stuff.

No endless means there is seemingly no end to the amount of stuff, while countless means there are so many of an amount of stuff that it seemingly isn't countable.

They mean the same thing - again, they're both used hyperbolically because nothing in this world is endless or countless, but they are, in fact, synonyms.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree that this is a hax stomp in Lavos' favor; most of Yhwach's hax is dependant on his precognition; which is in turn useless against Acausality Type 2 or above; Lavos has Type 3. Plus it's finite because Countless =/= Endless and there are blatant timelines he can't see InB4 someone brings up the infamous arrow .

 

[Warren_Valion]

I agree that this is a hax stomp in Lavos' favor; most of Yhwach's hax is dependant on his precognition; which is in turn useless against Acausality Type 2 or above; Lavos has Type 3. Plus it's finite because Countless =/= Endless and there are blatant timelines he can't see InB4 someone brings up the infamous arrow .

Yhwach's win-con was going to be The Yourself, a Sternritter power that has nothing to do with his precognition until someone brought up that Lavos has smurf powers that Yhwach wouldn't be able to copy.

 

[FateAlbane]

Either way the point we can all agree in now is that this is stomp, though each one's reasons for saying so may vary. So this should just never have been made closed.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I will do so