YanSen CM Type 1 and Resistance

[Quintessence_PE]

Aphrodite is the Goddess of Love, responsible for the concept of love in all things and said to be able to influence even other gods.

YanSen is not affected by Aphrodite's conceptual attack

Though, I guess conceptual manipulation could seem alright; gods, in general, have universe within them, they are embodiments of that universe and their body is like a universe: https://archive.ph/7dvjY (chapter 180). Zeus somewhat mentioned that a god has a universe inside its body: https://archive.ph/v3mQN Chapter 191)

Also, it seems like this god mentioned that YanSen could qualify as a god, so he might have the same physiologic power: https://archive.ph/HNBzG (chapter 178)

That god considered itself to be invincible which kind of suggests it is independent of changes in its universe, and this should also include such an attack also in a prior chapter (chapter 171, 172, 180).

I am willing to believe the gods themselves could be considered a type 1 concept, and the concept of love in this case could be a type 1 conceptual manipulation, like being able to affect gods, and YanSen would have the resistance.

Yan Sen can create and use the abilities of the characters in the series, let alone create identical versions of them. Specifically, Henry has stated that other Henrys created by Yan Sen look identical to him and that their powers are increasing in the same way as his.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yes, i have always agreed with that.

 

[Rockysbalboa]

Looks nice

 

[Floxiaaa]

Good job

 

[SweetDao]

seems fine

 

[Shiraito983]

agree Why God's designs are so plain

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Why God's designs are so plain

zeus has the coolest god design I've ever seen

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Bump

 

[Quintessence_PE]

a Bump

 

[Spectra_Schiffer]

looks okay

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Bump

 

[Elizhaa]

Just being the concept of love is not really enough for type 2 since is not really a key component of reality without more contexts, like inanimate objects that cannot love, for example.
Though, I guess conceptual manipulation could seem alright; gods, in general, have a universe within them, they are embodiments of that universe and their body is like a universe: https://archive.ph/7dvjY (chapter 180). Zeus somewhat mentioned that a god has a universe inside its body: https://archive.ph/v3mQN Chapter 191)

Also, it seems like this god mentioned that YanSen could qualify as a god, so he might have the same physiologic power: https://archive.ph/HNBzG (chapter 178)

That god considered itself to be invincible which kind of suggests it is independent of changes in its universe, and this should also include such an attack also in a prior chapter (chapter 171, 172, 180).

I am willing to believe the gods themselves could be considered a type 1 concept, and the concept of love in this case could be a type 1 conceptual manipulation, like being able to affect gods, and YanSen would have the resistance.

@Planck69 @Celestial_Pegasus what do you think of the conceptual manipulation type?

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Just being the concept of love is not really enough for type 2 since is not really a key component of reality without more contexts, like inanimate objects that cannot love, for example.
Though, I guess conceptual manipulation could seem alright; gods, in general, have universe within them, they are embodiments of that universe and their body is like a universe: https://archive.ph/7dvjY (chapter 180). Zeus somewhat mentioned that a god has a universe inside its body: https://archive.ph/v3mQN Chapter 191)

Also, it seems like this god mentioned that YanSen could qualify as a god, so he might have the same physiologic power: https://archive.ph/HNBzG (chapter 178)

That god considered itself to be invincible which kind of suggests it is independent of changes in its universe, and this should also include such an attack also in a prior chapter (chapter 171, 172, 180).

I am willing to believe the gods themselves could be considered a type 1 concept, and the concept of love in this case could be a type 1 conceptual manipulation, like being able to affect gods, and YanSen would have the resistance.

@Planck69 what do you think of the conceptual manipulation type?

I hadn't thought of it that way, but this perspective seems logical. Is it suitable for you if I organize the crt according to this?

 

[Benimōru]

Just being the concept of love is not really enough for type 2 since is not really a key component of reality without more contexts, like inanimate objects that cannot love, for example.

It is stated by Aphrodite that what she particularly controls is the concept of love of all things. Rather than something unknown. So, type 2 should be valid regardless.

Also, it seems like this god mentioned that YanSen could qualify as a god, so he might have the same physiologic power:

In addition to that, we also have this. Hob states that Yan Sen is a God.

I agree with the revision, btw. Nice work!

 

[Planck69]

If gods are indeed living universes then I can see the concept of love being a Type 2 concept, given "all things" would also apply to them, even if it didn't apply to non-living beings.

It also doesn't seem like it's bound to any single universe nor would does it seem bound to reality, so I can see Type 1 like Elizhaa said.

I'm welcome to any corrections though, these are just my thoughts.

 

[Hax999]

So both?

 

[Planck69]

No, either one of the two.

 

[Quintessence_PE]

If gods are indeed living universes then I can see the concept of love being a Type 2 concept, given "all things" would also apply to them, even if it didn't apply to non-living beings.

It also doesn't seem like it's bound to any single universe nor would does it seem bound to reality, so I can see Type 1 like Elizhaa said.

I'm welcome to any corrections though, these are just my thoughts.

Actually, my intention was to have type 2 CM resistance because that seemed quite clear, but Elizha's points seem quite logical, so I changed the subject to type 1 CM. If you agree with this as well, could I count your vote?

 

[Benimōru]

snip

If you agree with Elizhaa I think you also agree that Gods will get conceptual existence and CM while Yan Sen will get CM resistance as an addition.

At least that's what I inferred from Elizhaa's comment.

 

[SweetDao]

Just being the concept of love is not really enough for type 2 since is not really a key component of reality without more contexts, like inanimate objects that cannot love, for example.

If we accept Aphrodite as being able to "manipulate" the concept of love of all things, that would extend to all other gods, including the god of consciousness for example. Which, would be a "key component of reality" I think.

lso, it seems like this god mentioned that YanSen could qualify as a god

I feel like this is more so relating to powerlevel rather than outright same physiology. This is not the only time in the series where a character was compared to another power level system. For example, Yan Sen's students get called "creator level" during the fight against god when they are in a specific realm of cultivation. Maybe the fact that he does seem to have a lot of universes inside his body can do the trick, tho.

That god considered itself to be invincible which kind of suggests it is independent of changes in its universe, and this should also include such an attack also in a prior chapter (chapter 171, 172, 180).

I feel like this translation would be a bit better for the first scan.

 

[Planck69]

I'm neutral to the gods having Abstract Existence in all honesty. I do agree that Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation for them can be added though (and resistance for Yang Sen).

 

[Benimōru]

I do agree that Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation for them

Yan Sen included ryt?

 

[Planck69]

Since he's also a God sure.

I will add that it probably won't be useful. This seems to only allow gods to control their domain's concept not any other and I don't think we know what Yang Sen would be a god of. Just letting you know.

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Since he's also a God sure.

I will add that it probably won't be useful. This seems to only allow gods to control their domain's concept not any other and I don't think we know what Yang Sen would be a god of. Just letting you know.

In fact, Yan Sen can use the power of any of them, or more accurately, create them. People/god created by YanSen have the same power and abilities as their real bodies.

 

[Planck69]

Huh, I see. That should be added to the scans then.

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Huh, I see. That should be added to the scans then.

Yan Sen can create and use the abilities of the characters in the series, let alone create identical versions of them. Specifically, Henry has stated that other Henrys created by Yan Sen look identical to him and that their powers are increasing in the same way as his.

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Huh, I see. That should be added to the scans then.

If you still agree, can I close this thread or do we need more people?

 

[Planck69]

More people. This is a pretty major power addition.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Just being the concept of love is not really enough for type 2 since is not really a key component of reality without more contexts, like inanimate objects that cannot love, for example.
Though, I guess conceptual manipulation could seem alright; gods, in general, have a universe within them, they are embodiments of that universe and their body is like a universe: https://archive.ph/7dvjY (chapter 180). Zeus somewhat mentioned that a god has a universe inside its body: https://archive.ph/v3mQN Chapter 191)

Also, it seems like this god mentioned that YanSen could qualify as a god, so he might have the same physiologic power: https://archive.ph/HNBzG (chapter 178)

That god considered itself to be invincible which kind of suggests it is independent of changes in its universe, and this should also include such an attack also in a prior chapter (chapter 171, 172, 180).

I am willing to believe the gods themselves could be considered a type 1 concept, and the concept of love in this case could be a type 1 conceptual manipulation, like being able to affect gods, and YanSen would have the resistance.

@Planck69 @Celestial_Pegasus what do you think of the conceptual manipulation type?

I agree with this.

 

[Georredannea15]

Then this can be closed, right?

 

[Quintessence_PE]

Then this can be closed, right?

Yes, I think that's enough.