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Xenogears/Xenoblade Discussion Thread
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The Bionis and Mechonis calc was updated and now accepted by Mr Bambu, so it's applicable.
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Noice. Also just a heads up. I'm very close to beating Xenoblade 1. So expect another list to revise the profiles in the near future.
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Ah yes, of course. I already know Causality Manipulation was the big one.
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Yyyyyep, though for this list. It's going to be moreso for the villains and the Monado boy and girl rather than the party members. Heck, aside from the upgrade for the calc. We're pretty much done with Everyone else
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Alright. Finally finished with the "best RPG of the 7th generation" as quoted by some people I ran into.
Now as for the additional stuff:
also btw. SPOILER ALERT for anyone who hasn't gotten to the end of xenoblade 1.
Shulk:
Extrasensory Perception: He's shown here to be able to sense the apocrypha generator's location after he had his "shocking revelation". Kudos to anyone who understands what I'm talking about. OvO
Resistance to Possession: Considering that when Zanza's monado was wielded by Egil's friend. It automatically possessed him. Though for Shulk, he's able to retain his consciousness, as stated by Egil.
Likely immunity to soul manipulation and type 7 immortality: Shulk was confirmed to be dead by Dickson thanks to Zanza absorbing the life force of everyone that discovered the monado in valak mountain. After Zanza left his body, which was the only reason shulk kept on living to begin with. He lost his soul, which was zanza at the time.
Fiora:
Extrasensory Perception: Was shown doing the same exact thing that Shulk was able to do by sensing the Machina when the group fell into the fallen arm.
Likely immunity to soul manipulation and type 7 immortality: Due to being Meyneth's body. She practically has the same thing as shulk. As stated by Dickson yet again.
Melia:
Energy Projection: Due to showing some form of emitting energy for combat in the cutscenes.
Dunban:
Resistance to Possession: due to wielding the monado without becoming another Zanza like Egil's friend.
Xord:
Status effect inducement: Via his wild crash and bazooka skill
Statistics Amplification: Due to having Berserk Boost and Final Boost, which makes him faster, and stronger.
Metal Face:
Statistics Reduction: via Killing Claw.
Fire Manipulation: via Fiery Pain.
Poison Manipulation: via his numerous Poison arts.
Durability Negation: Due to having weapons that can decompose any form of life on contact.
Egil:
Statistics Amplification: via Royal Order.
Power Nullification and statistics reduction: via Machinery Field.
Status effect inducement: via Chastise, Alchemist 5, and Catastrophe.
Homing Attack: via Homing Missiles.
Dickson:
Statistics Amplification: via Righteous and Treacherous anger.
Paralysis Inducement and Attack reflection: via having spike damage that inflicts paralysis to anyone who hits him in his range.
Portal Creation: Via being shown to create portals for the main cast to use.
Also with his portal creation, he should likely have cross universal range with his portals considering when he was beaten by Shulk and the gang, he's able to create a portal that lead into Zanza's new universe. And in case anyone is gonna argue that it was Zanza who created the portals. First off he was convinced that Lorithia and Dickson would easily defeat the gang, and was surprised that they failed.
Zanza:
He should have all the abilities of the Monado that Shulk gained in the journey since he wields it on his own.
Energy projection: due to shooting energy at shulk's dead body during his fight with Meyneth.
Non-Corporeal: Due to being a soul on Bionis. Or at the very least, he should have that when he didn't get Shulk's body.
Non Physical Interaction: Due to killing Meyneth, who was just a spirit
Soul Manipulation: Due to having the spirits of the previous foes that Shulk and the gang fought reappear in his pocket universe.
Biological Manipulation: Due to turning the High Entia into Telethians.
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Now THAT'S done. There's one more thing we need to discuss, and I found a few more cutscenes that can lead to a possible acausality.
Now, as I mentioned before, there's this little gem that Alvis mentioned to Shulk.
And now, there's a couple of lines in the next time Shulk talks to Alvis where he mentions how people would go outside the passage of fate. Some of you might think he's just exaggerating a bit, but considering he told shulk that he needs to defy fate to succeed, and it even gets to the point where his visions were able to succeed zanzas and how Zanza's visions were unable to see beyond the point where he begins his fight with shulk and his friends. And there's the fact that when Shulk decided to reset the universe to create something new, he's able to retain his memories of before as well as Alvis.
What are your thoughts on this stuff?
Now as for the additional stuff:
also btw. SPOILER ALERT for anyone who hasn't gotten to the end of xenoblade 1.
Shulk:
Extrasensory Perception: He's shown here to be able to sense the apocrypha generator's location after he had his "shocking revelation". Kudos to anyone who understands what I'm talking about. OvO
Resistance to Possession: Considering that when Zanza's monado was wielded by Egil's friend. It automatically possessed him. Though for Shulk, he's able to retain his consciousness, as stated by Egil.
Likely immunity to soul manipulation and type 7 immortality: Shulk was confirmed to be dead by Dickson thanks to Zanza absorbing the life force of everyone that discovered the monado in valak mountain. After Zanza left his body, which was the only reason shulk kept on living to begin with. He lost his soul, which was zanza at the time.
Fiora:
Extrasensory Perception: Was shown doing the same exact thing that Shulk was able to do by sensing the Machina when the group fell into the fallen arm.
Likely immunity to soul manipulation and type 7 immortality: Due to being Meyneth's body. She practically has the same thing as shulk. As stated by Dickson yet again.
Melia:
Energy Projection: Due to showing some form of emitting energy for combat in the cutscenes.
Dunban:
Resistance to Possession: due to wielding the monado without becoming another Zanza like Egil's friend.
Xord:
Status effect inducement: Via his wild crash and bazooka skill
Statistics Amplification: Due to having Berserk Boost and Final Boost, which makes him faster, and stronger.
Metal Face:
Statistics Reduction: via Killing Claw.
Fire Manipulation: via Fiery Pain.
Poison Manipulation: via his numerous Poison arts.
Durability Negation: Due to having weapons that can decompose any form of life on contact.
Egil:
Statistics Amplification: via Royal Order.
Power Nullification and statistics reduction: via Machinery Field.
Status effect inducement: via Chastise, Alchemist 5, and Catastrophe.
Homing Attack: via Homing Missiles.
Dickson:
Statistics Amplification: via Righteous and Treacherous anger.
Paralysis Inducement and Attack reflection: via having spike damage that inflicts paralysis to anyone who hits him in his range.
Portal Creation: Via being shown to create portals for the main cast to use.
Also with his portal creation, he should likely have cross universal range with his portals considering when he was beaten by Shulk and the gang, he's able to create a portal that lead into Zanza's new universe. And in case anyone is gonna argue that it was Zanza who created the portals. First off he was convinced that Lorithia and Dickson would easily defeat the gang, and was surprised that they failed.
Zanza:
He should have all the abilities of the Monado that Shulk gained in the journey since he wields it on his own.
Energy projection: due to shooting energy at shulk's dead body during his fight with Meyneth.
Non-Corporeal: Due to being a soul on Bionis. Or at the very least, he should have that when he didn't get Shulk's body.
Non Physical Interaction: Due to killing Meyneth, who was just a spirit
Soul Manipulation: Due to having the spirits of the previous foes that Shulk and the gang fought reappear in his pocket universe.
Biological Manipulation: Due to turning the High Entia into Telethians.
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Now THAT'S done. There's one more thing we need to discuss, and I found a few more cutscenes that can lead to a possible acausality.
Now, as I mentioned before, there's this little gem that Alvis mentioned to Shulk.
And now, there's a couple of lines in the next time Shulk talks to Alvis where he mentions how people would go outside the passage of fate. Some of you might think he's just exaggerating a bit, but considering he told shulk that he needs to defy fate to succeed, and it even gets to the point where his visions were able to succeed zanzas and how Zanza's visions were unable to see beyond the point where he begins his fight with shulk and his friends. And there's the fact that when Shulk decided to reset the universe to create something new, he's able to retain his memories of before as well as Alvis.
What are your thoughts on this stuff?
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All of that looks legit; and of course Shulk also has Causality Manipulation in addition to that.
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Zanza would most likely gain Shulk's resistance since he did inherit his body.
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Also just to sort of address what DDM mentioned to me earlier. There wasn't any showing of mind hax for anyone being controlled by Zanza, but rather him possessing his victims. Zanza trying to convince Shulk to kill Egil wasn't really a form of mind hax as it was moreso like the Darth Vader fight in episode 6 of Star Wars where he had to reject the fate of killing someone and repeating the cycle.
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Ah, I see. Though, resistance to possession is legit. And Zanza having some of Shulk's resistances also sounds reasonable.
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Sweet, so I looked into the Acausality page. And considering that Zanza's visions weren't working when fighting Shulk. It should grant Type 2 Acausality for Shulk.
And one more thing. I found another proof for Non-Physical Interaction. So in Zanza's pocket dimension, Shulk and the gang fight the spirits of the people they previously fought. From Xord, Metal face, Gadolt, or even the telethia.
And one more thing. I found another proof for Non-Physical Interaction. So in Zanza's pocket dimension, Shulk and the gang fight the spirits of the people they previously fought. From Xord, Metal face, Gadolt, or even the telethia.
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@Dark649 it was weird to say the least.
Now, does anyone like to give their input on a potential Type 2 Acausality Shulk and Alvis?
Now, does anyone like to give their input on a potential Type 2 Acausality Shulk and Alvis?
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Accausility for Shulk and Zanza sounds reasonable; also makes sense given destroying the original space time continuum from which Zanza/Klaus was born from did nothing to Zanza or Meyneth. And oh yeah, Alvis' profile is really outdated; there's a lot of upgrades to give him.
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Umm, I never said 2-C. I said Type 2 Acausality
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Ok, so what about the Acausality, does it look legit?
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I personally think so.
I agree with the Acausality
I agree with the Acausality
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Awesome.
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Yeah, Alvis created both universes for Xenoblade 1 and 2. And there was also a statement in Xenoblade 2 about their existing an infinite number of universes. I'm still iffy on 2-A unless there's something to dig revealing that Avis literally created every universe, but we was legit the source of the Conduit's power that destroyed the original universe and created the two parallel universes of Xenoblades 1 and 2. So 2-C is legit or for Alvis.
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Well I'm gonna add the additional abilities to the profiles. Can someone unlock Zanza, Alvis, and Shulk's profile for me please?
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btw, would this here be considered gravity manipulation, or something else?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afy6KOXoIUY&t=494s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afy6KOXoIUY&t=494s
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I'm here.
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Xenoblade 2's universe wasn't created by Alvis, it was the original universe that existed before Klaus used the Conduit's power to create Xenoblade 1's universe.
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and done. With that, Xenoblade 1 is officially done with revisions.
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@Everything12, actually, the original universe was completely destroyed but then recreated. The Architect mentions every star in the universe being erased, and it was warped where instead of having a pole shaped planet, it's an infinite sized cloud sea and skies, similar to how Xenoblade 1's universe is an infinite sized ocean and sky. And since both events happened simultaneously, that's still affecting more than 1 universe.
Also, in Xenoblade 2's version of the cutscene, Klaus mentions the Conduit being "The gift of a Divine Entity" where as it was basically revealed that Alvis was the source of the Conduit's power, so that basically answers it.
As a side note, Alvis's profile's the only one left that needs updating.
Also, in Xenoblade 2's version of the cutscene, Klaus mentions the Conduit being "The gift of a Divine Entity" where as it was basically revealed that Alvis was the source of the Conduit's power, so that basically answers it.
As a side note, Alvis's profile's the only one left that needs updating.
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I already got Alvis. What's left for him?
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Well, true Alvis is at least 2-C mentioned above.
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I'll have to go to work in a few minutes, and will be unavailable for the time being, but I'll be back around 9 hours from now.
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So I am gonna spruce up the verse page.
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gurd. Don't forget da robo waifu games. OvO
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Got it. I will put it in my Sandbox first tho.
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As in more images and stuff?
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btw, so I was meaning to ask this considering it sorta does involve RPGs in general. So if there's a game that has multiple rereleases and the later ports got more than just updated graphics, like spells, better translation, etc. Should we use those over the older one?
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