Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Spoiler Discussion Thread

[JoshSSJGod]

On another note, Lucky Seven has a ton of hax in relation to it. Firstly, the blade strikes after beating the game seem to be capable of cutting through anything akin to DMC's Yamato. It's noted as being able to "bypass defence" while also being able to effortlessly slice up flame clocks which is noted to be impossible on multiple occasions. The easiest explanation to this would be to say that it cuts space-time as evident by the Dimension Slash art. Also, from my repeated testing of the weapon on the innocent creatures of Aionios who's materials I need to make my numbers bigger I have discovered that the weapon as the Doom status effect (instant death) attached to it's attacks.

 

[Joycap]

 

[Spinoirr]

Here you go. There is a lot to go over with these profiles, especially with Noah given how many status effects are tied to him.

Would be a great help if you help add on to what i have so far

 

[JoshSSJGod]

I'm working on it, currently trying to get a concrete calc for the cast to scale to.

 

[Spinoirr]

Im pretty sure we need a CRT for Nia and Melia's new Xenoblade Chronicles 3 key

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Okay got a result, total is 8-C with the AP being 0.35 Tons of TNT with the average Japanese height and 0.64 Tons of TNT with the calculated height. Going to go make a blog of it to get it evaluated.

 

[Spinoirr]

Alright what the these feats?

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Size of colony for scale (it's shaped like a turtle)


Another scene for scale



The feat

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Images are broke

 

[Spinoirr]

Images are broke

Huh, it shows up fine for me

It's when

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their ora form lifts up the colony and flip it over, would give a lots of KE

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Huh, it shows up fine for me

It's when

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their ora form lifts up the colony and flip it over, would give a lots of KE

I'm not entirely sure since that is a lifting strength feat but you can get a calc for that while I go work on this blog.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Aight, blog is here.

 

[Luckyfun]

Me selfishly praying that xenoblade can finally tap into tier 0.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Hm, something interesting that has been over my mind for a bit now has been the constant use of Noah and Mio embodying hope throughout the story. At first I thought it was just flowerily speech to hype them up but it keeps getting brought up how they embody hope even when at the end of the game which I won't spoil which really started to sell me on it. It wouldn't be farfetched either considering Z which would create a good parallel between the heroes and main villain of hope vs despair which would be consistent throughout (e.g Shulk/Zanza and Rex+Pneuma/Malos).

 

[Joycap]

You know how we're doing Ethel Keys atm?

I just dug this out from her convo with Mobius P, actually:

Spoiler: What P said

Keep in mind:

Spoiler: This is what Origin is made up of

 

[JoshSSJGod]

You know how we're doing Ethel Keys atm?

I just dug this out from her convo with Mobius P, actually:

Spoiler: What P said

Keep in mind:

Spoiler: This is what Origin is made up of

Probably 3 keys with them being Colony 4 Ethel, Ferronis Ethel and Reborn Ethel, I've been working on N since that doesn't require looking at all the equipment Ethel could have which'll be tough since not all the information is publicly available yet.

Though I must ask, what are ya trying to say with P and the Origin?

 

[Spinoirr]

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N should have resistance to extreme temperatures, as end game Noah and the gang fought Z they fought through him changing the area to freezing cold to burning hot

 

[Joycap]

Though I must ask, what are ya trying to say with P and the Origin?

You don't take that as the Ferronises (and by extension, anything with the purple Flame Clocks) at least partly scaling to Origin?

 

[JoshSSJGod]

You don't take that as the Ferronises (and by extension, anything with the purple Flame Clocks) at least partly scaling to Origin?

No? I mean, Z is Origin as Origin is Moebius and the flame clocks connect to it due to Y who is an avatar of Z stating that the flame clocks are apart of him. So unless you want to scale every Ferronis and therefore the early game party to Z then that would be a no.

 

[Joycap]

Oh, and something I've been wondering about Z for a while now... Z's manipulations of N, and the supposed 'impossible choice' (not to mention that the Nucleus of Origin is a Theatre of all things)... is this Plot Manipulation?

"Reality is nothing but fiction" and all that.

 

[Spinoirr]

No, the reality they live in is real, it's just a world in the middle of two frozen universes that are the real universes and not some hybrid world where they are stuck in a world controlled by Z

 

[Joycap]

Figures. Guess that's more of a 4th wall thing anyway.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

I do have to ponder what abilities Z would get due to his complete control of the world, like what is the limits to it. He is to do whatever he wants with everyone but the Ouroboros gang since according to Nia they exist outside of the world's flow.

 

[Joycap]

I do have to ponder what abilities Z would get due to his complete control of the world, like what is the limits to it. He is to do whatever he wants with everyone but the Ouroboros gang since according to Nia they exist outside of the world's flow.

I think I have a spreadsheet layout with every ability on the site. I'll have to dig it out at some point.

2 ticks

 

[Joycap]

This

 

[Joycap]

Also this I think would be some of the powers that Z would have.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

I'm curious, what is your justification on these abilities? When we do get around to making Z's profile we need to have good justifications for them since many of these are powerful abilities also, there are abilities here missing (most obvious one being Time Stop and Flight) but do note that all Moebius abilities would actually upscale to Z as not only are Moebius apart of the flow of the world which Z commands but they are also directly stated by Y to be Z's avatars.

 

[Spinoirr]

Here you go. There is a lot to go over with these profiles, especially with Noah given how many status effects are tied to him.

alright i added three more characters you can add upon to

 

[JoshSSJGod]

I'd recommend keeping Melia out of the sandbox for now, I've been working on a rework of her profile already so I can add the XB3 section when I finish my own CRT.
Also I'd like to ask if ya could fix some of those profiles there are very messed up.

 

[Spinoirr]

Z needs M's powers too via giving her those powers also power bestowal via giving powers to normal people

Also have any morbis powers

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Z needs M's powers too via giving her those powers (soul swap) also power bestowal via giving powers to normal people

Was already working on it when ya mentioned it

 

[Spinoirr]

I'd recommend keeping Melia out of the sandbox for now, I've been working on a rework of her profile already so I can add the XB3 section when I finish my own CRT.
Also I'd like to ask if ya could fix some of those profiles there are very messed up.

alright i fixed the images

 

[JoshSSJGod]

alright i fixed the images

Thank you, I've added a good bit to what Z should have, I'm nowhere near done but feel free to add to it as long as you can also add a good justification.

 

[Spinoirr]

How about Fissionism via x's powers and because people can willing defuse

Edit: Also Retrocognition via when you gain morbis powers you see your past versions events all at once and Z showed past events in the movie theater (even events inside someone's mind)

 

[Dalesean027]

hello I'm here :3 even though I'm not remotely caught up and still need to finish the other two games

 

[Joycap]

Tried adding an image tab for Z's true Origin form, and I'm no programmer, so it's all just kinda shit the bed. Any help here?

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Tried adding an image tab for Z's true Origin form, and I'm no programmer, so it's all just kinda shit the bed. Any help here?

I'll fix it

 

[JoshSSJGod]

hello I'm here :3 even though I'm not remotely caught up and still need to finish the other two games

Howdy doo! Which other 2 games do ya mean if I may ask? 1 and 2?

Also this I think would be some of the powers that Z would have.

Btw you are free to add those abilities with the proper justifications. I'll review 'em and give my reasoning on if I remove any of them.

 

[JoshSSJGod]

Joycap, I noticed you have been putting N and Z at 2-A possibly 1-B. May I ask what your reasoning for it is?

 

[Joycap]

Joycap, I noticed you have been putting N and Z at 2-A possibly 1-B. May I ask what your reasoning for it is?

I could make a long post on it, but the tl;dr is mostly just what Nia says about the matter:

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The fact that more than one Multiverse is being portrayed quite literally is the bulk of my argument right there, but there's a bit more:

Spoiler

Recall that the words of light prove that this is not just multiversal destruction, but potentially conceptual destruction, too. In fact, using this for Z, it's very similar to other T1 characters we have on the site (Maruki being my frame of reference in this instance).

"Isn't that why you joked about this being Tier 0?" I hear you ask. Well...

Spoiler

In other words, Z is willing to follow his own rules, because it's within a personality that is specifically stated to be made up of the beings he made (whether or not that's something he could edit to his whims is up to you, and I seem to recall there was a quote on it (?)). On that note, it's actually specifically stated that Z thinks the 'rules' of the flow are beneficial to the world (or at least, it's implied knowing how much he bangs on about the flow). Do you think that means he'd put up no resistance to it? Or is he not capable, signifying a limit to his power that disqualifies him from Tier 0? Discuss amongst yourselves.

Spoiler

 

[Everything12]

What?

How in the world is that Tier 1? How is that even Tier 2? As though you've shown evidence of two universes spiraling towards destruction (not seeing how theirs any evidence of conceptual destruction from what you've posted). You have not shown evidence of Z being the one who destroyed the worlds, only manipulating them. Which isn't an Attack Potency feat.

This is nothing at all like what Shin Megami Tensei+Persona has for Tier 1 evidence. To describe the evidence Persona has very very simply and missing context, it comes from Maruki being above a being who can manipulate a plane outside the concept of dimensions (said dimensions being adequately explained), with the Adam Kadmon stuff being because of verse specific stuff about the collective and humanity and how they fit into the cosmology of Shin Megami Tensei+Persona.