Xeno goku vs ...

[StekFence]

But isn't Ee just better atomic destruction since it erases the physical body from existence ?

Nope. ee is not the same as seperating the atoms, since ee can be done in many ways not related to atoms at all

 

[Rez]

So, how exactly does it work. He moves, and then gets stunned, and then after a few sec, he can move again? Or he gets stamina to 1 again

Yeah It gets set to 1 again

 

[StekFence]

I think acuasality from seiya counters time moves as well

 

[StekFence]

It gets set to 1 again

ok thx.

 

[StekFence]

The main issue for seiya is the fact that he can’t move. Or rather, he can only move once every few seconds. Seiya does have reactive evolution, and has commonly nulled attacks and hax that worked him before, so I’m thinking he can become immune to it. If goku one shots him with hth, or ki blasts, then seiya would revive, or fight as a soul, and be immune to it in that case

 

[Rikimarox2]

I think acuasality from seiya counters time moves as well

Wut? How would that help? Acausality doesn't grant time manip resistances iirc.

 

[Braking]

I think acuasality from seiya counters time moves as well

It make then invulnerable to changes in the past or future. gokus time manipulation is just slowing it down

 

[StekFence]

Wut? How would that help? Acausality doesn't grant time manip resistances iirc.

Ok then im probably remembering it wrong

 

[StekFence]

Actually, 8th sense seiya does resist time space manip, so there’s that ig

 

[Orange]

So, time slow doesn’t work. Even normal humans in ss can resist time stop from actual trained cosmo users. and stat reducing is not gonna work on seiya because he’s resisted it as a almost dead 3c from a 2c. Probability should work in gokus favor, although how that clashes with seiya ability make impossible things possible idk. Sealing seiya can’t do anything to. Idk what dd is tbh lel.

Time slows works on people with acasualty. Goku can reduce the stats of 2-A beings to half, plus his other wall Of stat increasing and decreasing hax so I doubt baseline resistance would work. Goku can just neg his probability manipulation, passively with many of his abilities.
Dd is passive stamina hax that sets the opponent stamina to 1 instantly and permanently, any move that attacks the stamina would result in a stun, any movement seiya makes or attack or ability that requires stamina would instantly stun him. Plus goku here is willing to kill so he will try to seal and power null him

 

[Braking]

Actually, 8th sense seiya does resist time space manip, so there’s that ig

Gokus resistance neg go brrrrr

 

[Orange]

The main issue for seiya is the fact that he can’t move. Or rather, he can only move once every few seconds. Seiya does have reactive evolution, and has commonly nulled attacks and hax that worked him before, so I’m thinking he can become immune to it. If goku one shots him with hth, or ki blasts, then seiya would revive, or fight as a soul, and be immune to it in that case

The keysword power null is above baseline, plus goku can summon someone to use his own power null

 

[Rez]

Goku's first move with keysword is to seal so if saiya's passives destroy the keysword he will know of it Goku also has dura neg

 

[Braking]

Goku's first move with keysword is to seal so if saiya's passives destroy the keysword he will know of it Goku also has dura neg

and res neg

 

[Orange]

Keysword nulled all of mechikabura abilities and sealed him, which includes some passive stuff I think?

 

[StekFence]

dura neg is irrelevant for goku here, he one shots through ap either way. It’s just that seiya can revive

 

[StekFence]

So yeah, if goku leads with sealing, then that’s that. If he doesn’t, and kills seiya, reactive evolution kicks in. And I think he revived with better stats, but goku has way better stats, so that’s irrelevan. Except for the speed.

 

[Braking]

Also to what degree does seiya Resist mind manipulation

 

[Orange]

Sieya gets revived, gets power nulled and sealed stamina haxed

 

[StekFence]

Also to what degree does seiya Resist mind manipulation

Idk. I’m not like an especially knowledgeable person on saint seiya

 

[StekFence]

Speaking of which, probably should bring some supporters of both sides here

 

[Braking]

Speaking of which, probably should bring some supporters of both sides here

you can request for some in discussion threads

 

[Braking]

Here is the link

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-super-discussion-thread-100.107592/

 

[StekFence]

I think the only discussion thread for ss is dead rn lel

 

[Orange]

Definitely agree.
So should we like put sieya wincon and goku wincons for now so everyone can be clear

 

[StekFence]

Ok so seiya wins if he can get a hit off. And if the crt gets accepted, if goku hths. goku wins via seal. Is that right?

 

[Orange]

Sieya gets passively stunned, then he can arguably hit

 

[StekFence]

Sieya gets passively stunned, then he can arguably hit

I think seiya can realistically overcome it via reactive evo no?

 

[Rez]

I think seiya can realistically overcome it via reactive evo no?

It's instantaneous or it takes time if it takes time then no if it's instantaneous then saiya still will have to deal with goku's probability manipulation and probability manipulation negation

 

[Orange]

I think seiya can realistically overcome it via reactive evo no?

Nope, he gets drained, effecting his overall stat, tries to use any attack or move, gets stunned. In that period, goku will try to seal or null. Which seiya has no answers to or just summon demigra

 

[Orange]

It's instantaneous or it takes time if it takes time then no if it's instantaneous then saiya still will have to deal with goku's probability manipulation and probability manipulation negation

Instantaneous, immediately his stamina gets set to 1 passively

 

[Rez]

Instantaneous, immediately his stamina gets set to 1 passively

I was talking about saiya's reactive evolution

 

[Orange]

I was talking about saiya's reactive evolution

Oh I thought you meant DD sorry lmao

 

[StekFence]

It's instantaneous or it takes time if it takes time then no if it's instantaneous then saiya still will have to deal with goku's probability manipulation and probability manipulation negation

Basically, if he sees or experienced something once, he becomes resistant, or immune to it..

 

[Orange]

Basically, if he sees or experienced something once, he becomes resistant, or immune to it..

So he needs to experience then survive it

 

[StekFence]

So he needs to experience then survive it

He Doesn’t need to live if he can revive. As long as he has at some point experienced/seen it, then it will work. Even while dead

 

[Bernkastelll]

Well, , he maybe can adapt to it, but I have a question, what are the things that Seiya has shown to adapt? because we cannot just say that Seiya can adapt to DD if he didnt adapted to similar things

 

[StekFence]

Well, , he maybe can adapt to it, but I have a question, what are the things that Seiya has shown to adapt? because we cannot just say that Seiya can adapt to DD if he didnt adapted to similar things

Hmmm. He’s adapted to energy,physical attacks, others in his level have adapted to hax like BFr. I don’t know the whole list, but pretty much any non godly attack, a skilled saint can adapt to it. They can see through attack patterns, etc. U would have to ask a knowledgeable member tho for more.

 

[Orange]

He Doesn’t need to live if he can revive. As long as he has at some point experienced/seen it, then it will work. Even while dead

He experienced something like this? Strong like this? It's nlf to assume he will adapt to everything within evidence

 

[Orange]

Hmmm. He’s adapted to energy,physical attacks, others in his level have adapted to hax like BFr. I don’t know the whole list, but pretty much any non godly attack, a skilled saint can adapt to it. They can see through attack patterns, etc. U would have to ask a knowledgeable member tho for more.

He doesn't seem to adapt from a stamina based hax from a 2-A character that works on people with limitless, infinite stamina. Kinda effy on him adaptating to it