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Wuthering Waves Discussion Thread

Voidnether said:
Yeah, we might have to scale the entire cast to like the planet being split into two instead of the blackhole
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Yeah we could probably do this, though the black hole you see in that battle with Aleph-1 is far bigger and thus has far more gravity, it doesn't lessen the Necrostar's feat, its just that much bigger
Voidnether said:
Planet being split into two is like the lower end of Tier 5 iirc, just not the upper end (5-A) anymore since we know the miniature blackholes are fake
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What miniature blackholes are you referencing?
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
I'm confused where we're drawing this assumption from, are we trying to say because Aleph-1's avatar looks like a blackhole that the Necrostar is not one just because it's smaller?
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That's what nether said, idk I'm still in favour of using the calc.
 
I don't mind either suggestion, I'm just curious where this came from, if the postulate that the Necrostar is fake comes from Aleph-1's avatar being bigger, then that's just a silly and frankly nonsensical line of reasoning. By that logic Earth isn't a planet because Jupiter is bigger, the empire state building isn't a skyscraper because the burj khalifa is bigger. If there's another reason behind it and I'm wrong, I suppose Nether will comment, but I'm hoping that isn't the primary line of logic at play here
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
I don't mind either suggestion, I'm just curious where this came from, if the postulate that the Necrostar is fake comes from Aleph-1's avatar being bigger, then that's just a silly and frankly nonsensical line of reasoning. By that logic Earth isn't a planet because Jupiter is bigger, the empire state building isn't a skyscraper because the burj khalifa is bigger. If there's another reason behind it and I'm wrong, I suppose Nether will comment, but I'm hoping that isn't the primary line of logic at play here
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Aleph-1's avatar were summoning blackholes that could be destroyed by a beam of light made by Exostrider (apparently it's not a beam of light but rather just destroyed entirely by Exostrider's sword w/o light infused in the sword at all which is worse ig but even if light is infused like when Exostrider did BFR to Aleph-1, it's still really an antifeat to the blackhole's characteristics. You'd still get blackhole creation and stuff since the favors lean in but deriving AP especially is impossible from here)

Said blackhole is apparently bigger too than Aleph-1's avatar, so yeah. But this isn't the main problem as a blackhole being bigger than the avatar doesn't mean anything, the problem lies in the sword being able to destroy the blackhole hence it's not really a real one. If you could prove the blackhole in Necrostar are real and were actually showing real blackhole's properties then I'd request that scans if anything here. If you wanna argue the one on the video is game mechanics though, we were prompted to like destroy the blackhole with the sword
 
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Voidnether said:
but even if light is infused like when Exostrider did BFR to Aleph-1, it's still really an antifeat to the blackhole's characteristics. You'd still get blackhole creation and stuff since the favors lean in but deriving AP especially is impossible from here)
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This is not true, nowhere in the black hole page is anything like this ever stated, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Exostrider BFRing Aleph-1's avatar
Voidnether said:
Said blackhole is apparently bigger too than Aleph-1's avatar, so yeah. But this isn't the main problem as a blackhole being bigger than the avatar doesn't mean anything, the problem lies in the sword being able to destroy the blackhole hence it's not really a real one.
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It didn't destroy the blackhole, it BFR'd it
Voidnether said:
If you could prove the blackhole in Necrostar are real and were actually showing real blackhole's properties then I'd request that scans if anything here
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Before asking me to prove something that I've already proven, can you give the reasoning for why you think it's not real?
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
This is not true, nowhere in the black hole page is anything like this ever stated, there's absolutely nothing wrong with Exostrider BFRing Aleph-1's avatar

It didn't destroy the blackhole, it BFR'd it

Before asking me to prove something that I've already proven, can you give the reasoning for why you think it's not real?
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Because we were shown that the miniature blackhole were destroyed using the sword?

You can't destroy a blackhole with a sword physically, I am talking about the miniature blackholes summoned by Aleph-1's projections as Aleph-1 itself is favorable of being a blackhole more than its miniatures

If you already proved what you said on what I bolded, then prove it. I already gave my reasoning and I'm shocked that you didn't manage to understand the point I'm making, I didn't know making the entire cast from upper end of Tier 5 to lower end of Tier 5 because of said blackholes were able to be destroyed by a sword physically would cause this much commotion bro
 
Voidnether said:
Because we were shown that the miniature blackhole were destroyed using the sword?

You can't destroy a blackhole with a sword physically, I am talking about the miniature blackholes summoned by Aleph-1's projections as Aleph-1 itself is favorable of being a blackhole more than its miniatures
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This has nothing to do with the tiers of the characters
Voidnether said:
If you already proved what you said on what I bolded, then prove it.
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Read the CRT, and read the black hole page
Voidnether said:
I already gave my reasoning and I'm shocked that you didn't manage to understand the point I'm making, I didn't know making the entire cast from upper end of Tier 5 to lower end of Tier 5 because of said blackholes were able to be destroyed by a sword physically would cause this much commotion bro
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Ok, do you have any evidence supporting why they would be the lower end of tier 5? Any calcs?
 
AlipheeseXIV said:
This has nothing to do with the tiers of the characters
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Yes it does
AlipheeseXIV said:
Read the CRT, and read the black hole page
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The CRT is only applying on what's accepted on the calculation blog, nothing about it nor the blog itself explaining why they're real and applicable to AP
AlipheeseXIV said:
Ok, do you have any evidence supporting why they would be the lower end of tier 5? Any calcs?
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The planet being split in half? Don't we have that one
 
Voidnether said:
Yes it does
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No, it doesn't, we don't use the black hole in the clip for anything
Voidnether said:
The CRT is only applying on what's accepted on the calculation blog, nothing about it nor the blog itself explaining why they're real and applicable to AP
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There is a segment explaining it on the blog, if you think it doesn't suffice then as I've said thrice now read the black hole page. You seem to have a very overblown opinion of black hole standards that just blatantly don't exist on the page. Alternatively, you could just make a downgrade CRT, but you have yet to provide any calcs for the range of downgrade you mentioned earlier which is what I'm still waiting for
Voidnether said:
The planet being split in half? Don't we have that one
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I have no idea what you're talking about
 
EmilioRory10 said:
haven't checked this thread in a while so I sorry if this derails from what is currently being discussed, but rewatching the 2.7 cinematic, Brant destroyed a dark tide manifestation of Lady of the Sea, can he scale based on this?
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I don’t think so. The Lady of the Sea in version 2.4 was significantly amplified by Leviathan, as it was being fed by Cristoforo’s sonoro sphere. Since we don’t know the exact level of this Dark Tide manifestation of the Lady of the Sea, I don’t think it should be scaled to the version 2.4 iteration.
 
Voidnether said:
Because we were shown that the miniature blackhole were destroyed using the sword?

You can't destroy a blackhole with a sword physically, I am talking about the miniature blackholes summoned by Aleph-1's projections as Aleph-1 itself is favorable of being a blackhole more than its miniatures

If you already proved what you said on what I bolded, then prove it. I already gave my reasoning and I'm shocked that you didn't manage to understand the point I'm making, I didn't know making the entire cast from upper end of Tier 5 to lower end of Tier 5 because of said blackholes were able to be destroyed by a sword physically would cause this much commotion bro
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I haven’t finished the quest yet, so I’ll avoid going too deep into it, but the fact that the miniature black holes in Aleph-1 are fake doesn’t really affect the Necrostar feat.
By that logic, any verse that includes a fake black hole would invalidate all other black hole feats, which doesn’t make sense. Unless there’s clear evidence that the Necrostar itself is a fake black hole, this point isn’t relevant.
 
IStar0thh said:
I haven’t finished the quest yet, so I’ll avoid going too deep into it, but the fact that the miniature black holes in Aleph-1 are fake doesn’t really affect the Necrostar feat.
By that logic, any verse that includes a fake black hole would invalidate all other black hole feats, which doesn’t make sense. Unless there’s clear evidence that the Necrostar itself is a fake black hole, this point isn’t relevant.
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Oh shit, actually yeah forgot about that, we should be spoiler marking stuff for these reasons
 
Absolute cinema
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Shiraito983 said:
@AlipheeseXIV you working on 5d stuff?
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Hell no, I thought one of you guys were working on it? Hell, there were people working on 1A allegedly lmao, the 5D stuff is kind of clear cut but it scales only to the cosmology and specifically Aleph-1's true form and no one else. Though I suppose Exostrider can scale via range
EmilioRory10 said:
I think comparing it to its sword might be more reliable as we don't have a scale for those buildings but we can use coordinates for the sword
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Yeah, it should be mountain sized at minimum. Not sure how relevant its size is though since it's not like we need it for feats at the moment
 
by removing Aleph-1 to the further edges of the universe and it's a higher a dimensional being black hole.... does that mean the portal exostrider used affects the same dimensions that Aleph-1 is in? BFR 5D? or 6D?
 
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