Wuthering Waves Discussion Thread

[SweetDao]

Okay, who is it?!

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Okay, who is it?!

Aleph-1 is the name of threnodian lahairoi

Yes, if he is talking about mathematical concepts, then aleph-1 is indeed an infinite cardinal number. According to leak, aleph-1 cannot be defined by tethys even the Roya tribe, who are good at mathematics, can't detect it.
It seems that the concept of aleph-1 in threnodian mathematics has many similarities with the original concept.

 

[SweetDao]

Aleph-1 is the name of threnodian lahairoi

Yes, if he is talking about mathematical concepts, then aleph-1 is indeed an infinite cardinal number. According to leak, aleph-1 cannot be defined by tethys even the Roy tribe, who are good at mathematics, can't detect it.
It seems that the concept of aleph-1 in threnodian mathematics has many similarities with the original concept.

No I meant the guy behind the account, I've seen more and more wuwa account on twitter talking about powerscaling...giga sus

 

[Bsk_lyree]

I've seen more and more wuwa account on twitter talking about powerscaling

I don't know, maybe they're interested.. I think? And why you're suspicious?

 

[SweetDao]

I don't know, maybe they're interested.. I think? And why you're suspicious?

Idk, maybe it's someone from the forum so I'm throwing a bottle to the sea ig

 

[GDS2]

I think you're referring to the dialogue with Valentina.

I am referring to NPC dialogue in Error Cell Location. For example, after 2.8 story quest completion, these NPC will have these dialogue (I only post 1 dialogue bubble for example). I think dialogue in Modulation Hall location also changes as well.

If I recall correctly, after 2.7 main story quest, these NPC will talk about how Tethys System almost got overwhelmed by Threnodian Leviathan Gem before finally being suppressed and then can finally being analyzed safely. Aalto only mention how the gem was successfully suppressed and analyzed by Tethys system. These NPC give more context on how that event occured.

That feat combined with how Leviathan was going to cause Lament (Dark Tide as Rinascita know it) and how Lament can actually influence higher dimension (confirmed by Sumika Investigation), I think there is a good argument for Tier 2 Leviathan and subsequently those who scale to it.

 

[GDS2]

Also has anyone calculated:
1. Tiger's Maw feat where Waveworn Phenomena (Possibly caused by Lampylumen Myriad) shift the tectonic plate and uplift deposit from Earth's mantle to Earth's crust.

2. Shorekeeper being able to rearrange stars?

 

[IStar0thh]

I am referring to NPC dialogue in Error Cell Location. For example, after 2.8 story quest completion, these NPC will have these dialogue (I only post 1 dialogue bubble for example). I think dialogue in Modulation Hall location also changes as well.

If I recall correctly, after 2.7 main story quest, these NPC will talk about how Tethys System almost got overwhelmed by Threnodian Leviathan Gem before finally being suppressed and then can finally being analyzed safely. Aalto only mention how the gem was successfully suppressed and analyzed by Tethys system. These NPC give more context on how that event occured.

That feat combined with how Leviathan was going to cause Lament (Dark Tide as Rinascita know it) and how Lament can actually influence higher dimension (confirmed by Sumika Investigation), I think there is a good argument for Tier 2 Leviathan and subsequently those who scale to it.

Damn, you have a point. Maybe we can use this for something.

 

[IStar0thh]

Also has anyone calculated:
1. Tiger's Maw feat where Waveworn Phenomena (Possibly caused by Lampylumen Myriad) shift the tectonic plate and uplift deposit from Earth's mantle to Earth's crust.

2. Shorekeeper being able to rearrange stars?

Do you have the dialogue about the first topic?

 

[GDS2]

Do you have the dialogue about the first topic?

Its in Exploration Report of Tigers Maw, it is available in wiki. Here is the section

"They found that tectonic shifts caused by the Waveworn Phenomenon altered the plate tectonics in Jinzhou, uplifting ore deposits formed tens of millions of years ago to the upper crust and introducing Lampylumen into the domain of human knowledge."

Waveworn Phenomena in question refers to disaster that occur before Tiger's maw even formed. Since the deposit contain Lampylumen, safe to say that Lampylumen Myriad sort of drag and dig himself out to the surface and shift the tectonic plate in the process. The timeframe should be around 12 hour or less (referring to Port of Guixiu Lament that occurs and resolved overnight and Dark Tide that covers entire Rinascita in short timespan) . The distance of the shift should be big enough to allow for the deposit, which should be no less then the area where Lampylumen ore can be found.

To determine the deposit, its a bit difficult but I think we can use the size of Tiger's maw to determine the amount of mass of deposit being uplifted.

 

[GDS2]

Also even if Lampylumen Myriad arent the one who did it, we can still say that Leviathan should be more then capable of the same thing as Threnodian > any Tacet Discord or any waveworn phenomena thus Leviathan and Rinascita cast should still scale to that feat.

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Does anyone here know where to read attribute info other than wiki?

 

[Bsk_lyree]

I can up the speed of the spectro resonator to SoL attack speed, what do you think?

 

[IStar0thh]

I can up the speed of the spectro resonator to SoL attack speed, what do you think?

Wdym?

 

[IStar0thh]

Does anyone here know where to read attribute info other than wiki?

I couldn't find anything in game.

 

[IStar0thh]

Also even if Lampylumen Myriad arent the one who did it, we can still say that Leviathan should be more then capable of the same thing as Threnodian > any Tacet Discord or any waveworn phenomena thus Leviathan and Rinascita cast should still scale to that feat.

That makes sense. Maybe we should talk to our Knowledgeable member about it.

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Wdym?

All resonator spectro attack speeds are in SoL

 

[IStar0thh]

All resonator spectro attack speeds are in SoL

I think that's going to be kind of hard to prove. Is there any evidence in the game to support that?

 

[Bsk_lyree]

I think that's going to be kind of hard to prove. Is there any evidence in the game to support that?

I will post the proof here later

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Is there any evidence in the game to support that?

Disclaimer first:
Wuthering Waves is an RPG with a strong sci-fi genre, which means it consistently uses real-world physics terminology as its basis.
Now let’s talk about Spectro.
The term Spectro is clearly derived from spectrum, more specifically the electromagnetic spectrum. The electromagnetic spectrum refers to the full range of electromagnetic radiation frequencies, which includes radio waves, television signals, radar waves, invisible light, X-rays, and gamma rays. All electromagnetic waves propagate at the speed of light in a vacuum (c), approximately 299,792,458 m/s.
Going back to Resonators:
A Resonator is an individual who resonates with a specific phenomenon. Since our focus is Spectro, we’ll limit the discussion to Spectro Resonators. Spectro Resonators are consistently associated with light manipulation.
Examples:
Jinhsi is stated to control and project intense light.
Phoebe is capable of manifesting light directly.
Lynae (upcoming) manipulates light to create different colors.


If we categorize them within the electromagnetic spectrum:
Jinhsi = Gamma rays / X-rays
Phoebe = Visible light
Lynae = Visible light & ultraviolet
From this, it becomes clear that Spectro corresponds directly to the electromagnetic spectrum. Since Wuthering Waves uses real scientific terminology, and electromagnetic radiation universally travels at light speed in a vacuum, this supports the conclusion that Spectro-based attacks inherently operate at light speed.

Conclusion:
Spectro Resonators especially characters like Phoebe, Jinhsi, and Rover can reasonably be argued to possess attack speeds at least at the Speed of Light (SoL).

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Spectro Resonators especially characters like Phoebe, Jinhsi, and Rover can reasonably be argued to possess attack speeds at least at the Speed of Light (SoL).

What do you think? I want to know

 

[MatterNerd]

Seems valid to me.

 

[IStar0thh]

Disclaimer first:
Wuthering Waves is an RPG with a strong sci-fi genre, which means it consistently uses real-world physics terminology as its basis.
Now let’s talk about Spectro.
The term Spectro is clearly derived from spectrum, more specifically the electromagnetic spectrum. The electromagnetic spectrum refers to the full range of electromagnetic radiation frequencies, which includes radio waves, television signals, radar waves, invisible light, X-rays, and gamma rays. All electromagnetic waves propagate at the speed of light in a vacuum (c), approximately 299,792,458 m/s.
Going back to Resonators:
A Resonator is an individual who resonates with a specific phenomenon. Since our focus is Spectro, we’ll limit the discussion to Spectro Resonators. Spectro Resonators are consistently associated with light manipulation.
Examples:
Jinhsi is stated to control and project intense light.
Phoebe is capable of manifesting light directly.
Lynae (upcoming) manipulates light to create different colors.


If we categorize them within the electromagnetic spectrum:
Jinhsi = Gamma rays / X-rays
Phoebe = Visible light
Lynae = Visible light & ultraviolet
From this, it becomes clear that Spectro corresponds directly to the electromagnetic spectrum. Since Wuthering Waves uses real scientific terminology, and electromagnetic radiation universally travels at light speed in a vacuum, this supports the conclusion that Spectro-based attacks inherently operate at light speed.

Conclusion:
Spectro Resonators especially characters like Phoebe, Jinhsi, and Rover can reasonably be argued to possess attack speeds at least at the Speed of Light (SoL).

The problem is that the Attributes don’t seem to have clear in-game explanations, so part of this is still speculative. We could use Phoebe as a reference, since explicitly states that she manifests light—but even then, some people might remain skeptical.

 

[IStar0thh]

Merry Christmas, everyone.

 

[MatterNerd]

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Idk, maybe it's someone from the forum so I'm throwing a bottle to the sea ig

That's Daily Augusta btw

 

[SweetDao]

That's Daily Augusta btw

tragic

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

tragic

yup, tho I must say every wuwa fan on twitter is somehow into powerscaling.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Btw, what tier do yall gave that higher dimensional boss and who scales to it?

 

[SweetDao]

Btw, what tier do yall gave that higher dimensional boss and who scales to it?

There was a higher-dimensional boss? Do you mean the worm?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

There was a higher-dimensional boss? Do you mean the worm?

Yeah, isn't he described as higher dimensional or am I tripped? I haven't finished this patch story yet.

 

[SweetDao]

Yeah, isn't he described as higher dimensional or am I tripped? I haven't finished this patch story yet.

Maybe Aleph-1? Worm is just big sand worm really

 

[PedjaTarzan]

High 1-B worm

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Wuthering Waves: What is the multiverse level+!???

Uhhh... well ill just quote these 2 justifications and then ask what the hell is the reasoning for 2-A. First one is Jue Multiverse level+ with Temporal Loop (Can change the entire universe with their Temporal Mandate, and is capable of envisioning endless possibilities. Their Sonoro Sphere...

vsbattles.com

i hope i dont get murdered, but i hope this makes those 2-A justification look like actual multiversal feats. shorekeeper is TOO PRETTY to have 2-A gone like this vro

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Maybe Aleph-1? Worm is just big sand worm really

That's H1-A+ trust.

 

[SweetDao]

That's H1-A+ trust.

I trust the MGK wanker!!

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I trust the MGK wanker!!

 

[IStar0thh]

Yeah, isn't he described as higher dimensional or am I tripped? I haven't finished this patch story yet.

That’s Aleph, not the Voidworm. But yeah, It does seem to be a higher-dimensional being. We don’t have many concrete details beyond that yet—only the Waveworn Phenomenon linked to it and a few brief mentions.

 

[Bsk_lyree]

Wuthering waves have an infinite universe

 

[SweetDao]

So I double checked a lot of quotes (because I don't trust the English translation at that point), here's what I found:
(I'll preface that I'm not saying we should use MTL, but just showing there might be some differences between the raw and English translation. Additionally, there may be an error with the raw text regarding loading screens, as I use a text extractor for them. Feel free to point out any errors.)

For the Chaos loading screen:

Raw: 混沌之间介于生与死、存在与消失之间的无常滩涂,并非物理意义上的空间或地点,而是囊括了「尤诺」全部情感、记忆和联 系的集合。滞留的虚影在此间徘徊,往复经历着她的过往......直到足够多的「她」被捕获、锚定,被世界抹去的少女再度拥有未 来。

Official Translation

MTL:
A shoal of impermanence that lies between life and death, between existence and disappearance. It is not a space or location in the physical sense, but a collection that encompasses all of Yuno’s emotions, memories, and connections.


Lingering phantoms wander here, repeatedly reliving her past… until enough instances of “her” are captured and anchored, and the girl once erased by the world is able to possess a future once more.

For the "Chaos has infinite possibilities" from that scan:

Raw: 莉莉贝：你可知，混沌是包含一切概念和物质、一切因与果的总集，也是连通的、叠加的若干个子集，一旦迷失其中，便如陷入无常洪流，再难回头。莉莉贝：即便是谕女，也不过借由命运的指引，在确定性的滩涂打捞起些许启示，倘若你进入其中却不能带回尤诺呢？

MTL:
Lilibay: Do you know that Chaos is the totality that contains all concepts and all matter, all causes and all effects? It is also a series of interconnected, overlapping subsets. Once lost within it, one is swept into a torrent of impermanence, with no turning back.


Lilibay: Even an oracle maiden merely follows the guidance of fate, dredging up a few scattered revelations from the shoals of certainty. If you were to enter it and yet fail to bring back Yuno—then what?

For the "Sea of infinite possibility" from that scan:

Raw : 尤诺：对，不断蔓延的、没有边际的……空白，比我曾在你身上看见的、比我最后看到的未来中的，还要多得多。尤诺：所以，这就是结局改变后的景象吗？尤诺：不再是杂糅得无法定义的混沌，也不是被谁给予的唯一解，而是等待选择的无限可能性。尤诺：看似一无所有，实则无所不能，原来这才是空白的真正含义。尤诺：现在……是时候离开这里了。

MTL :
Yuno: Yes—spreading endlessly, without boundaries… this blankness. Far more than what I once saw within you, far more than what I saw in that final future.


Yuno: So this is the vista after the ending has been changed?


Yuno: No longer chaos blended beyond definition, nor a single answer bestowed by someone else, but infinite possibilities awaiting choice.


Yuno: It seems like nothing at all, yet in truth it can become anything. So this is the true meaning of “blankness.”


Yuno: Now… it’s time to leave this place.

(Tier 0 Chaos)

I think the most interesting part is the second one, as I don't remember the mention of chaos being the totality of concepts?