Wu Mian vs Rai

[Arkenis]

Wu Mian vs Rai

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[SatellaTheWoE]

he doesnt seem to be that intelligent so he likely lets his name slip which should be enough for a quick teleportation + gluttony gg
voting Ley

 

[Arkenis]

he doesnt seem to be that intelligent so he likely lets his name slip which should be enough for a quick teleportation + gluttony gg
voting Ley

Truth is smarter and usually in control, he wouldn't just say his name randomly. And if Rai asks, Truth would definitely feel something's off and not answer.

 

[Hiiilt]

How does wu spatial manip works?

 

[Arkenis]

How does wu spatial manip works?

Look at the link I put (I worked very hard on that profile!)

 

[Hiiilt]

Look at the link I put (I worked very hard on that profile!)

Does he only needs to clap his hands?

 

[Arkenis]

Does he only needs to clap his hands?

Yes.

 

[Hiiilt]

Yes.

Is it in character for him to start with it?

 

[Arkenis]

Is it in character for him to start with it?

It was the only time he ever did it. He's more inclined to use his body puppetry or Paradox in character.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Truth is smarter and usually in control, he wouldn't just say his name randomly. And if Rai asks, Truth would definitely feel something's off and not answer.

he doesnt ask it in a conspicuous manner, he is a slimeball and names himself as part of a combat custom which is generally followed throughout fiction. This kind of manipulates the opponent into saying their name as well which ends with gluttony gg
btw his intelligence section doesnt have anything notable so what you are saying wont apply

 

[Hiiilt]

since wu mian has multiple selves wouldn't ley need the name of both of them for it to work?

 

[Arkenis]

he doesnt ask it in a conspicuous manner, he is a slimeball and names himself as part of a combat custom which is generally followed throughout fiction. This kind of manipulates the opponent into saying their name as well which ends with gluttony gg

Truth doesn't do this though, and he'd be wary of such a thing. Also they start 4km away, Rai isn't gonna get the chance to just nonchalantly ask.

btw his intelligence section doesnt have anything notable so what you are saying wont apply

Gifted; Is seemingly always able to outdo an opponent in skill, delving deeper into his ability to counter one's counter and figure out one's ability. Could tell what a Spark member was thinking[80] and stop his plan with power.

If Rai asked Truth he would deduce it's for some offensive reasoning.

since wu mian has multiple selves wouldn't ley need the name of both of them for it to work?

I have just remembered, but Wu Mian, isn't even the real name, and then there's Truth as well, Wu Mian is actually another personality, so even if he could steal a name there's two other personalities

Basically there's Wu Mian, Truth, and then the unknown scribbled named. If Wu did give up his name or Truth, another personality would come out.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

since wu mian has multiple selves wouldn't ley need the name of both of them for it to work?

he would only need to eat the first name which would be the dudes name itself (plus he gains every ability they have anyway so it will just be him vs himself but more skilled and has wayyy more stuff)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Truth doesn't do this though, and he'd be wary of such a thing. Also they start 4km away, Rai isn't gonna get the chance to just nonchalantly ask.


Gifted; Is seemingly always able to outdo an opponent in skill, delving deeper into his ability to counter one's counter and figure out one's ability. Could tell what a Spark member was thinking[80] and stop his plan with power.

If Rai asked Truth he would deduce it's for some offensive reasoning.


I have just remembered, but Wu Mian, isn't even the real name, and then there's Truth as well, Wu Mian is actually another personality, so even if he could steal a name there's two other personalities

Basically there's Wu Mian, Truth, and then the unknown scribbled named. If Wu did give up his name or Truth, another personality would come out.

i am confused, which key are you using? is it tier 6C vs tier low 7C or?

 

[Arkenis]

i am confused, which key are you using? is it tier 6C vs tier low 7C or?

8-B vs 8-B

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Truth doesn't do this though, and he'd be wary of such a thing. Also they start 4km away, Rai isn't gonna get the chance to just nonchalantly ask.

he can just teleport though

Gifted; Is seemingly always able to outdo an opponent in skill, delving deeper into his ability to counter one's counter and figure out one's ability. Could tell what a Spark member was thinking[80] and stop his plan with power.

If Rai asked Truth he would deduce it's for some offensive reasoning.

he doesnt ask for names he just gives them his own and that gives them a social cue to do the same
btw he has dealt with gifted and genius characters of intelligence as well so that isnt helping

I have just remembered, but Wu Mian, isn't even the real name, and then there's Truth as well, Wu Mian is actually another personality, so even if he could steal a name there's two other personalities

Basically there's Wu Mian, Truth, and then the unknown scribbled named. If Wu did give up his name or Truth, another personality would come out.

already explained this, he only needs the original name since Subaru has multiple personalities as well but only his name was required

 

[Arkenis]

he can just teleport though

He only has hundreds of meters in range.

he doesnt ask for names he just gives them his own and that gives them a social cue to do the same
btw he has dealt with gifted and genius characters of intelligence as well so that isnt helping

That doesn't sound like something that'll work on Truth then.

 

[Hiiilt]

he can just teleport though

isn't his teleport only for short range?

already explained this, he only needs the original name since Subaru has multiple personalities as well but only his name was required

natsuki subaru is still his only name tho

 

[Hiiilt]

can truth/wu mian react to invisible attacks?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

He only has hundreds of meters in range.


That doesn't sound like something that'll work on Truth then.

he did it to smarter people and you havent shown me anything that helps your case, just saying "no" doesnt answer me either

isn't his teleport only for short range?

he can teleport multiple times though

natsuki subaru is still his only name tho

we are talking about multiple personalities which would include meilli portrouite and louis arneb in arc 6

 

[Hiiilt]

he can teleport multiple times though

fair enough

we are talking about multiple personalities which would include meilli portrouite and louis arneb in arc 6

i may be wrong since it's been a long time since i've read arc 6 but wasn't meili only a hallucination?(not that it matters since wu mian isn't his real name)

 

[Arkenis]

he did it to smarter people and you havent shown me anything that helps your case, just saying "no" doesnt answer me either

I haven't said "no" I've given a explanation to you how unrealistic such a scenario would happen.

Truth doesn't do this though, and he'd be wary of such a thing. Also they start 4km away, Rai isn't gonna get the chance to just nonchalantly ask.

I have just remembered, but Wu Mian, isn't even the real name, and then there's Truth as well, Wu Mian is actually another personality, so even if he could steal a name there's two other personalities

Basically there's Wu Mian, Truth, and then the unknown scribbled named. If Wu did give up his name or Truth, another personality would come out.

can truth/wu mian react to invisible attacks?

Depends on the layering but otherwise yeah they have 1 layer of invisibility perception.

Invisibility (Masks are invisible[3]. Truth is invisible[4] even to those who can see Masks like Zi Luo Lan)
Neutral Vision - Can see masks which are invisible[10]. Can see through disguises[11])

we are talking about multiple personalities which would include meilli portrouite and louis arneb in arc 6

Besides Subaru not having this on page, Truth is another organism not just a personality.

 

[Hiiilt]

Invisibility (Masks are invisible[3]. Truth is invisible[4] even to those who can see Masks like Zi Luo Lan)
Neutral Vision - Can see masks which are invisible[10]. Can see through disguises[11])

idk if it's layered but ig it doesn't matter since he has high-mid regen so even if it hits him it won't be able to kill him

yin magic should work since wu mian doesn't resist sense manip

 

[Arkenis]

yin magic should work since wu mian doesn't resist sense manip

Could I see this? It's not on page. They also have a force field they can have up to protect themselves.
And I don't see Rai having any npi? Truth is incorporeal in his world.

• Incorporeality (Cannot be interacted[29] with regularly[30] within his world and also is considered to be incorporeal[31] as air cannot interact with him)

 

[Hiiilt]

Could I see this? It's not on page. They also have a force field they can have up to protect themselves.

• Statistics Reduction and Sense Manipulation (Yin magic specializes in debuffs and blocking senses)

And I don't see Rai having any npi? Truth is incorporeal in his world.

• Incorporeality (Cannot be interacted[29] with regularly[30] within his world and also is considered to be incorporeal[31] as air cannot interact with him)

could ley interact with him once truth takes control of the body?

 

[Arkenis]

• Statistics Reduction and Sense Manipulation (Yin magic specializes in debuffs and blocking senses)

Nah like see what was stated/how it's done.

could ley interact with him once truth takes control of the body?

In Truth's world is when it happens so no.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I haven't said "no" I've given a explanation to you how unrealistic such a scenario would happen.

if you want to argue that gluttony wouldnt work then it just becomes a stomp

Depends on the layering but otherwise yeah they have 1 layer of invisibility perception.

Invisibility (Masks are invisible[3]. Truth is invisible[4] even to those who can see Masks like Zi Luo Lan)
Neutral Vision - Can see masks which are invisible[10]. Can see through disguises[11])

has this layer been accepted yet?
Ley's invisibility is +1 as well

Besides Subaru not having this on page, Truth is another organism not just a personality.

i have no clue how these multiple personalities will interact with it but Ley rips out your soul as well and he might even get it upgraded to have more complex stuff added so i still think its unlikely

btw what is his real name anyway?

 

[Zabazab]

Ley's ability isn't about personalities, Memories are merely gunk stuck to the soul, he consumes these Memories from the soul. What he needs to activate Gluttony is the Name– that being the first name the target received at birth– in order to plunder the soul's Memories.

Subaru having some of Meili's Memories doesn't change the Name.

 

[Arkenis]

has this layer been accepted yet?

Nah I'll get em passed shortly.

btw what is his real name anyway?

It's unknown for now and the series hasn't been updated in a while sadly.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Nah I'll get em passed shortly.


It's unknown for now and the series hasn't been updated in a while sadly.

then Wu Mian is his name, Ley has taken the names of people much smarter than him btw

 

[Arkenis]

then Wu Mian is his name, Ley has taken the names of people much smarter than him btw

??? The true name of the person is unknown, would giving false name Wu Mian work?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

??? The true name of the person is unknown, would giving false name Wu Mian work?

the first name given matters, how is the true name related?

 

[Arkenis]

the first name given matters, how is the true name related?

The first name is the unknown name then?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

The first name is the unknown name then?

i need context on the unknown name, if it was smth after Wu Mian then it wouldnt work.

 

[Arkenis]

i need context on the unknown name, if it was smth after Wu Mian then it wouldnt work.

I gave context.

Wu Mian is actually another personality,

In context, the guy in a suit is part of org, he knows the personality that was in the body before Wumian but its not given. Then also even if Wu Mian did give his name and got erased, Truth would've been right there and saw the whole thing happen so he'd then take place and fight Rai.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I gave context.

In context, the guy in a suit is part of org, he knows the personality that was in the body before Wumian but its not given. Then also even if Wu Mian did give his name and got erased, Truth would've been right there and saw the whole thing happen so he'd then take place and fight Rai.

no, everything about you is ripped out from your very soul
This would also include truth

 

[Arkenis]

no, everything about you is ripped out from your very soul
This would also include truth

Truth isn't part of his soul though? And Truth is their own person.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Truth isn't part of his soul though? And Truth is their own person.

what is truth then? the second part doesnt matter because Meilli was like a whole other personality inside of Subaru

 

[Arkenis]

what is truth then? the second part doesnt matter because Meilli was like a whole other personality inside of Subaru

Truth is just another organism that exists in Wu Mian.

Ley's ability isn't about personalities, Memories are merely gunk stuck to the soul, he consumes these Memories from the soul. What he needs to activate Gluttony is the Name– that being the first name the target received at birth– in order to plunder the soul's Memories.

Subaru having some of Meili's Memories doesn't change the Name.

Is this wrong? Cause then this just answers if Rai can do it or not.

And if he tries stealing the fake names then he becomes plagued with severe nausea. I'm starting to think this is just a stomp.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Truth is just another organism that exists in Wu Mian.

Is this wrong? Cause then this just answers if Rai can do it or not.

And if he tries stealing the fake names then he becomes plagued with severe nausea. I'm starting to think this is just a stomp.

probably a stomp, btw is truth low 7C?