Would this qualify for Transduality?

[Quangotjokes]

Falerin: -- towards the ground of Lore. This is why people become so lost within. This area is the primal chaos from which all order sprang.
Falerin: The state of the universe before creation. Even nothingness emanates from something, even if that something is also "nothing."

Concepts, and things like Good and Evil are apart of creation. Aspect of reality itself.

 

[Newbiman]

From what you say it will be nonduality type 1. If like Life and Death, light and darkness are included it will be type 2.

 

[Quangotjokes]

From what you say it will be nonduality type 1. If like Life and Death, light and darkness are included it will be type 2.

Death, life, light and darkness yes. The universe itself is composed of the 8 elements:

Mysterious Stranger: I've been infiltrating this world since the elements first formed it.
Mysterious Stranger: Since they first polluted the perfect darkness that existed before.

 

[Laviossiii]

You need an explicit explanation from the verse about nonexistance and existance operates in the same way as Duality in the standard, as not all verses apply it equally. For example, in one verse Water and Fire are Duality, but in another verse they are not. Exist beyond conventional nonexistance just qualifies for NEP.

 

[Berga14]

You need an explicit explanation from the verse about nonexistance and existance operates in the same way as Duality in the standard, as not all verses apply it equally. For example, in one verse Water and Fire are Duality, but in another verse they are not. Exist beyond conventional nonexistance just qualifies for NEP.

Tecnically existence and nonexistence are a duality by defoult unless the verse shows otherwise.

 

[Vietthai96]

Nothing, not even nondual, duality is a system of logical negation. For example logical negation of A would be non-A, it is also depend on the verse, such as A and B is a duality when the verse itself showcase that A negate B, B oppose A. Just because two things sound opposite doesn't mean they are automatically a dual system

 

[Laviossiii]

Tecnically existence and nonexistence are a duality by defoult unless the verse shows otherwise.

If what you're saying is true, NEP 2 Characters will automatically get Nonduality in their profile, but they don't.

 

[Berga14]

If what you're saying is true, NEP 2 Characters will automatically get Nonduality in their profile, but they don't.

Because nep2 doesn't give nonduality by defoult.
Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.

So it happens that they sometimes get nd but it's only thanks to the in versr context.

 

[Vietthai96]

If what you're saying it's true, NEP 2 Characters will automatically get Nonduality in their profile, but they are not.

NEP2 being nonexistent that neither existence nor nonexistent, which involving the duality of existence and nonexistence. As i have said above, duality is a system of logical negation, for example, logical negation of A is non-A, so in this case existence and nonexistence. In fact even the NEP page said these NEP2 character have a low degree of nondual, so if a character have NEP2, said character is already possess a low degree of nondual due to lacking binary existence, so it is if you want to list nondual on the profile or not.

 

[Laviossiii]

Because nep2 doesn't give nonduality by defoult.
Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.

So it happens that they sometimes get nd but it's only thanks to the in versr context.

Thats mean Nonexistance and Existance are not a duality by default too.

NEP2 being nonexistent that neither existence nor nonexistent, which involving the duality of existence and nonexistence. As i have said above, duality is a system of logical negation, for example, logical negation of A is non-A, so in this case existence and nonexistence. In fact even the NEP page said these NEP2 character have a low degree of nondual, so if a character have NEP2, said character is already possess a low degree of nondual due to lacking binary existence, so it is if you want to list nondual on the profile or not.

I'll quote what Nonduality page are saying:

Due to nonduality's nature as an abstract power, qualifying for it requires a verse to directly explain the way they treat a power in a way that aligns with the standards outlined below; merely demonstrating qualities matching those of a nondual character doesn't automatically qualify a character for it.

 

[Vietthai96]

I'll quote what Nonduality page are saying:

Sigh, no offense, you guys should properly read page before quoting stuffs, those pages are guideline, and a guideline require one to read all of it, not hyperfocusing on some parts and ignore others,

For this ability, dualities refer to logical dualities where the duality is between "A" and "not A" where A is some object or attribute. For example, fire and water are not a duality; the duality of fire would be fire and not fire. The duality of existence would be existence and not existence, or, alternately, existence and nonexistence or existence and void. However, not all verses follow this logic, and many may treat things not logically considered dualities - such as water and fire or time and space - as dualities, meaning what is and isn't a duality can change between verses. Due to nonduality's nature as an abstract power, qualifying for it requires a verse to directly explain the way they treat a power in a way that aligns with the standards outlined below; merely demonstrating qualities matching those of a nondual character doesn't automatically qualify a character for it.

Edit: unlike other abilities, existence and nonexistence by default is a duality, as the page say, unless the verse specific otherwise

 

[Laviossiii]

Sigh, no offense, you guys should properly read page before quoting stuffs, those pages are guideline, and a guideline require one to read all of it, not hyperfocusing on some parts and ignore others,

Huh? I don't get it. The explanation is straightforward, what i'm quoted is the point of it.

 

[Berga14]

Thats mean Nonexistance and Existance are not a duality by default too.

If a verse introduce non existence and existence "normally" they are treated as a duality. Still you can get nep2 without existence being introduced. Also in some verses existence and nonexistence aren't a duality but you can still get nep2.
If i remember correctly it was Ultima who sayd that existence and non existence are a duality by defoult (unless shown otherwise) due to them being the logical opposition of eachother.

 

[Vietthai96]

Huh? I don't get it. The explanation is straightforward, what i'm quoted is the point of it.

The part you quoted mean that a character demonstrated a similar quality to those of a nondual character doesn't make said character nondual, the quality of a nondual character is either existing in a non-physical state or having resistance/immunity to haxes belong to dual system. For example

1. Character A is nondual and due to being nondual A have resistance to hax X

2. Character B isn't stated or show or proved to be nondual, however B also resist the same hax X like A

3. So one will tempted to say, since B resist the same hax as A, A is nondual, and A resist hax X due to being nondual, that mean B should be nondual too.

That look like a reasonable conclusion. However, standard forbid this kind of reasoning/argument, so unless a character is stated, show, or proved to be nondual directly, simply demonstrated or having similar abilities to that of a nondual character do not make one a nondual. This is what the part you quoted mean

 

[Quangotjokes]

Yeah, existence and non existence are duality.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kalanyr

This is probably a poor explanation but Creation is making something from Void energy, Uncreation is returning the thing to Void energy. Even thats a poor version of a poor explanation since when you create something you also create its potential for interacting with other things (a potential for having a history if you will), when you Uncreate something you remove the thing and that potential (so the thing never existed).

Two sides of the same coin.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Same with the elements, they balance each other out through their duality.

Light = Darkness
Fire = Water
Wind = Earth
Energy = Ice

All Balanced

“Lord Valorus: The attacks that happened 1,000 years ago threw the elemental realms out of balance.
Lord Valorus: The corrupting darkness that sought to overtake this land had no regard for the other realms, or even it's own, and all of Lore threatened to be torn apart.
Lord Valorus: It was this threat that caused the Elemental Avatars to first reveal themselves to the humans.
Lord Valorus: The Avatars had only associated with the dragons before then, each choosing their own champion... the original Great Dragons, who continue to pass that title down to their children.
Lord Valorus: To bring balance back... to give humans, and dragons, a fighting chance against the corruption, each Avatar coalesced a pure orb of their element, which was given to a human commander to protect.”

 

[Berga14]

Same with the elements, they balance each other out through their duality.

Light = Darkness
Fire = Water
Wind = Earth
Energy = Ice

All Balanced

“Lord Valorus: The attacks that happened 1,000 years ago threw the elemental realms out of balance.
Lord Valorus: The corrupting darkness that sought to overtake this land had no regard for the other realms, or even it's own, and all of Lore threatened to be torn apart.
Lord Valorus: It was this threat that caused the Elemental Avatars to first reveal themselves to the humans.
Lord Valorus: The Avatars had only associated with the dragons before then, each choosing their own champion... the original Great Dragons, who continue to pass that title down to their children.
Lord Valorus: To bring balance back... to give humans, and dragons, a fighting chance against the corruption, each Avatar coalesced a pure orb of their element, which was given to a human commander to protect.”

Idk this seams a bit weak as an evidence, maybe if you can find how those balanciaments it will help

 

[Quangotjokes]

Idk this seams a bit weak as an evidence, maybe if you can find how those balanciaments it will help

Maybe this will help:

Origins of the Near Multiverse [ONM]

According to the Archmage Warlic, all of the near multiverse is, at its very base, composed of magic.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Warlic

Drawing upon many centuries of study, I have come to see that the basic building blocks of the multiverse are magical in nature.

This, for the most part, is believed to be true and has been confirmed by several different sources. It appears that the raw stuff of the universe is something we are all familiar with, but that very few people genuinely understand to a thorough degree. The raw stuff of the universe is Void energy, also known as raw mana. In this way, Warlic’s studies are confirmed – the universe is indeed made of basic building blocks that are magical in nature. To more fully define “Void”: Void is the raw stuff from which all things spring; it’s both elementally aligned to all elements, hostile to all elements, and unassociated with all elements.

This Void energy used for Creation comes from the “place” called the Void, also known as Limbo. (Void energy, however, is not only used for Creation. It comes in two varieties – Uncreation-aligned and Creation-aligned. The difference between the two will be covered in a later section.) In the process of Creation, Void becomes Creation-aligned and is then shaped in all sorts of Creative ways. It seems, however, that Creation is often imperfect – pockets of primordial Creation, also known as Creation-aligned Void energy, remain in worlds created from Limbo.

 

[Quangotjokes]

The Elemental Wheel, a way to organize the Eight Elements:
Opposing Elements are opposites on the wheel,
Related Elements are adjacent,
Poorly related Elements are three away,
and unrelated Elements are two away from each other

 

[Rikimarox2]

Nothing, not even nondual, duality is a system of logical negation. For example logical negation of A would be non-A, it is also depend on the verse, such as A and B is a duality when the verse itself showcase that A negate B, B oppose A. Just because two things sound opposite doesn't mean they are automatically a dual system

If a verse explicitly says everything is divided into 2, and was considered a duality, would that qualify?

Ex.

Everything between Heaven and Earth can be divided into yin and yang: Speed and Slow, for example. Speed is Yang, while slowness is Yin. So, through the Laws of Yang, Jingwu Hua controlled the concept of speed to boost her speed.

I'm going to bombard you with questions when i publish the verse, I'm sorry

 

[Vietthai96]

If a verse explicitly says everything is divided into 2, and was considered a duality, would that qualify?

Ex.



I'm going to bombard you with questions when i publish the verse, I'm sorry

Yin and Yang

Me as a Asian guy who read too many Asian literatures: well shit

Well, while i can see duality from these yin and yang, speaking from standard, it going to be hard trying to get it accepted, cause while yin and yang is pretty common duality thing, you still need to prove they are logical negation, such yin negate yang, slowness negate speed, etc...., probably can get Possibly rating but oh well

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Me as a Asian guy who read too many Asian literatures: well shit

Well, while i can see duality from these yin and yang, speaking from standard, it going to be hard trying to get it accepted, cause while yin and yang is pretty common duality thing, you still need to prove they are logical negation, such yin negate yang, slowness negate speed, etc...., probably can get Possibly rating but oh well

Is there a Staff quote on that? I mean it makes sense to me, but was getting ready to make a crt fir a verse lol

 

[Vietthai96]

Is there a Staff quote on that? I mean it makes sense to me, but was getting ready to make a crt fir a verse lol

it is from the standard itself, if the verse do treat yin and yang as actually opposite force, dichotomy then yeah it is a dual system, but it is just generic mention yin and yang then no

 

[Wikisource]

Is there a Staff quote on that? I mean it makes sense to me, but was getting ready to make a crt fir a verse lol

Iirc, they originate from the perspective of Taoism in China. Essentially, yin and yang are two concepts that have a mutually dependent and complementary relationship. These two principles cannot be separated; they exist in a close interaction and are two opposing yet indispensable elements. There is yang within yin and yin within yang... And clearly, they are not duality.

 

[Wikisource]

Falerin: -- towards the ground of Lore. This is why people become so lost within. This area is the primal chaos from which all order sprang.
Falerin: The state of the universe before creation. Even nothingness emanates from something, even if that something is also "nothing."

Concepts, and things like Good and Evil are apart of creation. Aspect of reality itself.

Ig this could be Nondual....

 

[Wikisource]

If I remember correctly, they originate from the perspective of Taoism in China. Essentially, yin and yang are two concepts that have a mutually dependent and complementary relationship. These two principles cannot be separated; they exist in a close interaction and are two opposing yet indispensable elements. There is yang within yin and yin within yang... And clearly, they are not duality.

Chinese verses also uses this philosophy extensively.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Ig this could be Nondual....

I’ll look into that.

 

[Rikimarox2]

it is from the standard itself, if the verse do treat yin and yang as actually opposite force, dichotomy then yeah it is a dual system, but it is just generic mention yin and yang then no

Would the mention of Yin and Yang being opposite of each other, but still dependant a bit on the other to function qualify as Nondual?

 

[Laviossiii]

The part you quoted mean that a character demonstrated a similar quality to those of a nondual character doesn't make said character nondual, the quality of a nondual character is either existing in a non-physical state or having resistance/immunity to haxes belong to dual system. For example

1. Character A is nondual and due to being nondual A have resistance to hax X

2. Character B isn't stated or show or proved to be nondual, however B also resist the same hax X like A

3. So one will tempted to say, since B resist the same hax as A, A is nondual, and A resist hax X due to being nondual, that mean B should be nondual too.

That look like a reasonable conclusion. However, standard forbid this kind of reasoning/argument, so unless a character is stated, show, or proved to be nondual directly, simply demonstrated or having similar abilities to that of a nondual character do not make one a nondual. This is what the part you quoted mean

Only for Immunity (e.g., Type 5 Immortality). And yeah, that's just mean even if you are beyond the conceptual life and death, you won't get Nonduality until directly stated. That's what i'm on.

 

[Vietthai96]

Would the mention of Yin and Yang being opposite of each other, but still dependant a bit on the other to function qualify as Nondual?

Well, personally to me, that is enough, but since this ability is......somewhat controversial, i don't know what others may think

Only for Immunity (e.g., Type 5 Immortality). And yeah, that's just mean even if you are beyond the conceptual life and death, you won't get Nonduality until directly stated. That's what i'm on.

I already quoted the entire duality section on the Nonduality page for you, except existence and nonexistence which is a dual system by default unless proven otherwise, others need to be proved yes

 

[Laviossiii]

I already quoted the entire duality section on the Nonduality page for you, except existence and nonexistence which is a dual system by default unless proven otherwise, others need to be proved yes

The page says "alternately" and the "matching" issues.

 

[Vietthai96]

The page says "alternately" and the "matching" issues.

Can you just not.....like......hyperfocusing on specific words

 

[Laviossiii]

Can you just not.....like......hyperfocusing on specific words

Well, you can't ignore it.

 

[Vietthai96]

Well, you can't ignore it.

Huh?, i didn't ignore them, you on the other hand hyperfocusing on them while ignore others

 

[Laviossiii]

Huh?, i didn't ignore them, you on the other hand hyperfocusing on them while ignore others

Basically, you did. You said Nonexistence and Existence are a duality by default, while the page just says 'alternatively.' The context of A and Non-A is about, for example, Non-girl meaning all that is etymologically against 'girl,' such as boy, etc. This means vagueness; case-by-case.

 

[Vietthai96]

Basically, you did. You said Nonexistence and Existence are a duality by default, while the page just says 'alternatively.' The context of A and Non-A is about, for example, Non-girl meaning all that is etymologically against 'girl,' such as boy, etc. This means vagueness; case-by-case.

Just because the page say "alternatively" doesn't make the former part before it being less or not correct.

False equivalent, girl and existence are different thing, also contextually speaking, a verse can make girl and non-girl a duality, they can make anything duality as long as the authors, writers want it no matter how absurb it is.

The page said it already
1. Existence and nonexistence by default is a duality unless proven otherwise to be not a duality
2. Other systems need to be proven to be a duality and isn't assumed as so by default

 

[Orioreeem]

Me as a Asian guy who read too many Asian literatures: well shit

Well, while i can see duality from these yin and yang, speaking from standard, it going to be hard trying to get it accepted, cause while yin and yang is pretty common duality thing, you still need to prove they are logical negation, such yin negate yang, slowness negate speed, etc...., probably can get Possibly rating but oh well

We literally have verses that have transduality based on just that and some even for less

 

[Huesito88]

We literally have verses that have transduality based on just that and some even for less

Post a few of them as an example then (Let's see if it's true)

 

[Vietthai96]

We literally have verses that have transduality based on just that and some even for less

I mean, we have, but from what Ultima have said in the past, many verse have nondual/trandual isn't actually qualify to have the ability, though idk if he want to do something about it or not

Generally speaking, yin and yang is basic duality, pretty much yeah, it is one of core elements of Daoism/Taoism, but again, it by all mean is just a philosophical concept, so context need to be evaluated, we can't assume by default it is a duality when vaguely mentioned in the verse

 

[Orioreeem]

I mean, we have, but from what Ultima have said in the past, many verse have nondual/trandual isn't actually qualify to have the ability, though idk if he want to do something about it or not

Generally speaking, yin and yang is basic duality, pretty much yeah, it is one of core elements of Daoism/Taoism, but again, it by all mean is just a philosophical concept, so context need to be evaluated, we can't assume by default it is a duality when vaguely mentioned in the verse

What if a Taoisam is a thing in verse? Straight up stated that there is Taoisam in verse, Wuji and Taiji are a genuine things( there are quotes directly from Taoisam about it)