Wither vs Satan (The Binding of Isaac) (0-7-0) (Grace)

[koopa3144]

I've been playing TBoI recently and this fight just came to mind

• The fight takes place in the Mega Satan boss room
• Mega Satan is being used
• Speed is equalized
• SBA for anything else

Wither: 0​ (38.500956 Tons of TNT)

Satan: 7​ (Massively upscales from 18.0097 Tons of TNT)

Incon: 0

Spoiler: Soundtrack

 

[koopa3144]

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[Orioreeem]

Wither wins i guess looking at the peofile and ap value

 

[koopa3144]

Wither wins i guess looking at the peofile and ap value

I mean Satan massive upscales from his value and the ap gap isn't that big.

 

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[TheMassivlyUnkn0wn]

ah neat

anyways i feel like the absolute CHAD Mega Satan can take this for quite a few reasons.

So yeah to start off the AP difference is kinda ambiguous given that "massively upscales" isn't something we have an exact multiplier by. But I'd assume it wouldn't be anything more than a 2x difference. So yeah that's the stats out of the way.

As for abilities I feel like Mega Satan has far more versatility for what he can use to take down the Wither than vice versa. Blood lasers and danmaku, AOE, summoning that ISN'T restricted to later on in the fight. Said summons are far more powerful as well, with them being bosses as opposed to everyday enemies Outside of shooting heads the Wither has nothing in terms of offensive capabilities.

I guess Satan also has the intelligence advantage by default since he has a rating for it unlike the Wither. So yeah Satan wins ggs

 

[koopa3144]

ah neat

anyways i feel like the absolute CHAD Mega Satan can take this for quite a few reasons.

So yeah to start off the AP difference is kinda ambiguous given that "massively upscales" isn't something we have an exact multiplier by. But I'd assume it wouldn't be anything more than a 2x difference. So yeah that's the stats out of the way.

As for abilities I feel like Mega Satan has far more versatility for what he can use to take down the Wither than vice versa. Blood lasers and danmaku, AOE, summoning that ISN'T restricted to later on in the fight. Said summons are far more powerful as well, with them being bosses as opposed to everyday enemies Outside of shooting heads the Wither has nothing in terms of offensive capabilities.

I guess Satan also has the intelligence advantage by default since he has a rating for it unlike the Wither. So yeah Satan wins ggs

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[Peppersalt43]

Satan FRA

 

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Satan FRA

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[Lou_change]

Okay so for some reason Satan has attack reflection for death manipulation specifically despite the item reflected not seeming to have death manipulation, the only attack the wither has that doesn't deal death manipulation is running into his opponent. The wither doesn't have a resistance to death manipulation on his profile

 

[koopa3144]

Okay so for some reason Satan has attack reflection for death manipulation specifically despite the item reflected not seeming to have death manipulation,

The bible instantly kills both Mom and Mom's Heart/It Lives but Satan is not only unaffected by it but he also reflects back on Issac.

 

[Lou_change]

The bible instantly kills both Mom and Mom's Heart/It Lives but Satan is not only unaffected by it but he also reflects back on Issac.

I read that but it doesn’t seem to be on Issac’s profile as death manip and if it only effects one being I have questions about its legitimacy

 

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[AThe1412]

Okay so for some reason Satan has attack reflection for death manipulation specifically despite the item reflected not seeming to have death manipulation, the only attack the wither has that doesn't deal death manipulation is running into his opponent. The wither doesn't have a resistance to death manipulation on his profile

I just checked the Minecraft wiki and... the Wither is immune to its own effect. This should be pretty obvious since it can take its own skull blasts without receiving any damage.

 

[Lou_change]

I just checked the Minecraft wiki and... the Wither is immune to its own effect. This should be pretty obvious since it can take its own skull blasts without receiving any damage.

Yeah that’s correct the profile is wrong also mega satan doesn’t reflect the Bible’s effect

 

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[AThe1412]

Okay so I just watched the video linked for Satan's Death Manipulation/Attack Reflection. I know nothing about TBOI but one of the comments said that the reason the Bible works on Mom but not Satan is because after the fight against Mom, Isaac gets "corrupted" and becomes the son of Satan so the Bible targets the demon that is closest to it, aka Isaac. In other words, Satan shouldn't even have the ability if what the guy said is correct.

 

[Lou_change]

Okay so I just watched the video linked for Satan's Death Manipulation/Attack Reflection. I know nothing about TBOI but one of the comments said that the reason the Bible works on Mom but not Satan is because after the fight against Mom, Isaac gets "corrupted" and becomes the son of Satan so the Bible targets the demon that is closest to it, aka Isaac. In other words, Satan shouldn't even have the ability if what the guy said is correct.

I am pretty sure that is just a fan theory

 

[AThe1412]

I am pretty sure that is just a fan theory

Oh okay then.

 

[Lou_change]

He doesn’t do it in the mega satan fight tho so it’s shouldn’t be relevant

 

[Lou_change]

Are mega Satan’s summons undead?

 

[koopa3144]

Are mega Satan’s summons undead?

Some are some aren't.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Mega satan seen to have much better ofensive skills then either and summoning bosses is op, voting mega satan (whenn will we have mega satan vs ender dragon and warden?)

 

[koopa3144]

Mega satan seen to have much better ofensive skills then either and summoning bosses is op, voting mega satan (whenn will we have mega satan vs ender dragon and warden?)

Counted, and tbh Delirium or the Beast would be more thematic for the Ender dragon.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Counted, and tbh Delirium or the Beast would be more thematic for the Ender dragon.

Fair (Just to mention, I have plans for upgrading minecraft speed)