- 8,296
- 1,687
Here is a Respect Thread that I plan to update until the massive Marvel Revision Thread. I may bump it with more info as time goes on... Feel free to commentate, but please don't judge too harshly until the whole thing is completed... Thank you.
Strange Tales Incident
This event scales to Franklin because he was stated to have caused it by Dr.Strange
It was stated by Dr.Strange that during Man-Thing III , that the cause of the End of All Things, was caused by Counter-Earth essentially, via "Heroes of Legend" returning to the Earth 616 Reality . Meaning that, this really obscure and incredibly ridiculous set of comics did in-fact happen . Also, in Heroes Rebron, Franklin Richards + The Celestials caused this to happen
Specifically speaking, it was this phrase in particular which allowed it to be heavily implied.it :
The End of All Things was this in Man-Thing and Strange Tales was All Levels of Reality [ All Levels of Reality, while a massive Outlier for Post-Heroes Reborn Dr.Strange, is the Multiverse Level this series of comics works with. ] :
Specifically, it's this quote in particular.
To compare, Ka'dmon rivals the power of the Creator , who created the every level of creation , reality , and universes . In the same scan, Scrier oneshots him without any difficulty .
The Creator is connected to everything within the dream, including all the higher-dimensions and such , implying High 1-B . Even being connected to God's subconsciousness makes you one with all time and space.
Ka'dmon also harmed Termineus without any effort, again with no significant amp.
Ted Salis rejection of Reality also caused the end of the dream, along with Franklin's Counter-Earth incident, caused what happened.
Cleito, a fellow Fallen Star member, is one with all places and things, which would include every level of creation and reality , should include a realm is time before time , whete time and space is only limited by your mind , Void before the World of Forms , AND Eternity's Realm [ Considering it's a place that was mentioned within Strange Tales originally before it was revealed what the Realm was in-fact ] and a few other places mentioned in the comic ] . DO keep in mind that
Even weak Fallen Stars such as Cleito are described as the embodiment of the Creator's Dream and can manipulate the totality of the Nexus on a whim:
Fantastic Four Volume 3 scans/Celestial/Franklin Feats
Fantastic Four 1998 issue 13: Uatu views the Infinte Totality of Existence (stated by Ronan though.... so...)
Fantastic Four 1998 issue 24: Tiamut implied to have Casuality Manipulation
Fantastic Four 1998 issue 25: Stated to have had a shape in everything that was is or ever will be, implied on a Multiversal Scale. Said all things are a dream, which is a direct reference to Strange Tales, which combined with Heroes Rebron and Daydreamers portraying the Top-Tier Celestials level entities as > The Fallen Stars, seems consistent enough to note
Heroes Reborn Asheema : Heavily hinting that Heroes Reborn Franklin (which is far weaker than the Franklin that appeared in Hickman's Run) is > Tiamut
Fantastic Four 1998 issue 26: Stated outright to be capable of imperialing all of creation
Asheema went and grew beyond the edge of subspace
To compare to previous showings, Subspace is stated to be connected to the Crossroads of Infinity. So, to be beyond the edge of subspace , they need to be beyond the Crossroads of Infinity, which is High 1-B .
Uncanny X-Men(Canon to Hickman's Run): Stated that the power of a Celestial can destroy the Entire Multiverse
Well-Fed Galactus to possibly High 1-B
Galactus was turned into a bomb to destroy the Negative Zone
We have seen before that the Negative Zone contains the Crossroads of Infinity, and it was confirmed here. So a bomb that could destroy it would have to destroy the Crossroads as well, which is a Infinite-D construct. I'll show proof of it below (All of the stuff is in Fantastic Four Volume 1 issue 51 / Fantastic Four 1961 issue 51)
Reed Richards, in the same Volume/Canon as the Mad Celestials incident (Vol 1/1961 issue 600) , was going to destroy Everything in the Negative Zone (including the Crossroads) , proving even if the UN was far weaker than the one used to restart the Multiverse, it's still on a High 1-B scale (Even Annihilus said it can cause 'Endless Destruction', meaning Annihilus likely has it superior to the Cosmic Control Rod): *https://2.bp.blogspot.com/qzlBmJ05S...qjZuV2EpKDxV1ho-2arQZX6LNzcYiZa5NusvMzJ=s1600 Franklin was described as a "Threat ! Harbringer ! Doom !"
When the likes of a probably Depowered Ultimate Nullifier were never deemed as such, implying it was vastly weaker than the Celestials , even when wielded by Reed Richards, and was clearly concentrating his whole being into it [to the point he was sweating] . We've seen him restart the Multiverse canonically (Abraxas Arc) using it , and it didn't take much concentration to do so. He was using much more concentration (hinting he was using more power) yet it was doing nothing and was no where near a threat.
Stated that the thing between Well-Fed Galactus , other , and Scrier was going to destroy all of creation, and that the Chaos War was merely a prelude compared to the destruction it caused (keep in mind the destruction caused in Chaos War was up to a High 1-B scale):
Captain Britai
These set of comics takes place in the same canon as above... So note that.
Roma's Otherworld is described as Pan-Dimensional
A person who works for Roma states she views all planes of reality
Stated from Otherworld, you can access all of Creation
Wrecking Otherworld was affecting all Higher-Dimensions, implying ROma views the Multiverse through the Otherworld:
Merlyn, who Roma replaced in power, allowed Jamie Bardock to become this when he took his power:
But yet... Despite all of this, especially in the exact same comic she stated she viewed all of creaiton , every plane of existence, all myriad aspects of existence and all dimensions of reality: stated Franklin was capable of destroying Everything
Strange Tales Incident
This event scales to Franklin because he was stated to have caused it by Dr.Strange
It was stated by Dr.Strange that during Man-Thing III , that the cause of the End of All Things, was caused by Counter-Earth essentially, via "Heroes of Legend" returning to the Earth 616 Reality . Meaning that, this really obscure and incredibly ridiculous set of comics did in-fact happen . Also, in Heroes Rebron, Franklin Richards + The Celestials caused this to happen
Specifically speaking, it was this phrase in particular which allowed it to be heavily implied.it :
The End of All Things was this in Man-Thing and Strange Tales was All Levels of Reality [ All Levels of Reality, while a massive Outlier for Post-Heroes Reborn Dr.Strange, is the Multiverse Level this series of comics works with. ] :
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/3bnLacBsrP...agnQwtGYW6j6icHJDwTCKO2RPYCxcRaT8xdpMcV=s1600
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/37EHa5YHEj...YPvRkVazDs-IEYGxrmH9yAoD2E4fYjUe0L2H7wq=s1600
Specifically, it's this quote in particular.
To compare, Ka'dmon rivals the power of the Creator , who created the every level of creation , reality , and universes . In the same scan, Scrier oneshots him without any difficulty .
The Creator is connected to everything within the dream, including all the higher-dimensions and such , implying High 1-B . Even being connected to God's subconsciousness makes you one with all time and space.
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/XpY7rOitBE...MvAXj0pNNcNIHChF64fNLsr9JqAAggnLjIa6Rf6=s1600
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/lPXupYMa00..._60qcT3BH6O_-PCg696gQkIx3JQLP0Eis90o1dl=s1600
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/IQh13EGSix...GjMNAj_XJvzRP9T4ohR8qsXHaRq_XWqxD442sy-=s1600
Ka'dmon also harmed Termineus without any effort, again with no significant amp.
Ted Salis rejection of Reality also caused the end of the dream, along with Franklin's Counter-Earth incident, caused what happened.
Cleito, a fellow Fallen Star member, is one with all places and things, which would include every level of creation and reality , should include a realm is time before time , whete time and space is only limited by your mind , Void before the World of Forms , AND Eternity's Realm [ Considering it's a place that was mentioned within Strange Tales originally before it was revealed what the Realm was in-fact ] and a few other places mentioned in the comic ] . DO keep in mind that
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/xvKC3QUTYN...TDi8xUv9WDGnFpvGuVb_HXrKABzcBA7xxy2RUVk=s1600
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/o4aXNqnzYF...u0BiTvI2stdv0x6eRkPj_lScVDZm45sM1uc0CDo=s1600
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/I555IlbElH...WwlxU-firbg33tV2EkWCKEMfJE5N48EhagfjvjU=s1600
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/ROGB6TBN-X...y11Tcn3Zmw1cFy2LLxRgb1IaLJcpW3hrAi4sCei=s1600
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/1ZLdPSWMiL...Ll5FPIul1ssAqXaBhrUpIBSA3Qn_JxHHcS1BgbY=s1600
- https://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Strange_Tales_Vol_1_146
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/15RuEAOJxQ...72eRhgGoT5cYdKAZfVofqj5b17VxbKWZt1Io8w4=s1600
- https://s33.postimg.cc/p985ceu1b/c6n_VN59_Te3p_C.jpg
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/93cGZXLfhm...400P_P1qLbHlh0MyFh_a0EFwkHyvpfFUI4VEN-w=s1600
- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/oFhOkddBw9...fECv7_I5hYFJXtK7n2SCXXVE7KWxschJhThPsGA=s1600
Even weak Fallen Stars such as Cleito are described as the embodiment of the Creator's Dream and can manipulate the totality of the Nexus on a whim:
Fantastic Four Volume 3 scans/Celestial/Franklin Feats
Fantastic Four 1998 issue 13: Uatu views the Infinte Totality of Existence (stated by Ronan though.... so...)
Fantastic Four 1998 issue 24: Tiamut implied to have Casuality Manipulation
Fantastic Four 1998 issue 25: Stated to have had a shape in everything that was is or ever will be, implied on a Multiversal Scale. Said all things are a dream, which is a direct reference to Strange Tales, which combined with Heroes Rebron and Daydreamers portraying the Top-Tier Celestials level entities as > The Fallen Stars, seems consistent enough to note
Heroes Reborn Asheema : Heavily hinting that Heroes Reborn Franklin (which is far weaker than the Franklin that appeared in Hickman's Run) is > Tiamut
Fantastic Four 1998 issue 26: Stated outright to be capable of imperialing all of creation
Asheema went and grew beyond the edge of subspace
To compare to previous showings, Subspace is stated to be connected to the Crossroads of Infinity. So, to be beyond the edge of subspace , they need to be beyond the Crossroads of Infinity, which is High 1-B .
Uncanny X-Men(Canon to Hickman's Run): Stated that the power of a Celestial can destroy the Entire Multiverse
Well-Fed Galactus to possibly High 1-B
Galactus was turned into a bomb to destroy the Negative Zone
We have seen before that the Negative Zone contains the Crossroads of Infinity, and it was confirmed here. So a bomb that could destroy it would have to destroy the Crossroads as well, which is a Infinite-D construct. I'll show proof of it below (All of the stuff is in Fantastic Four Volume 1 issue 51 / Fantastic Four 1961 issue 51)
- http://www.ultimatecomiccon.com/wp-...-989db9d4b4287d99bde359b1b0ed3b88ca74e679.jpg (Except for this one, it's in Vol 1 issue 319)
- https://2.bp.blogspot.com/rwmQB0bYn...LF6L1xSo7AMBd6Ni3VsiUFIuTGQMMXOZ04eVlOZ=s1600
- https://2.bp.blogspot.com/DEcMo5kK1...YL7IBnsW-a7uaOEh3f08VG35OvcO9wLVs0WOmT7=s1600
Reed Richards, in the same Volume/Canon as the Mad Celestials incident (Vol 1/1961 issue 600) , was going to destroy Everything in the Negative Zone (including the Crossroads) , proving even if the UN was far weaker than the one used to restart the Multiverse, it's still on a High 1-B scale (Even Annihilus said it can cause 'Endless Destruction', meaning Annihilus likely has it superior to the Cosmic Control Rod): *https://2.bp.blogspot.com/qzlBmJ05S...qjZuV2EpKDxV1ho-2arQZX6LNzcYiZa5NusvMzJ=s1600 Franklin was described as a "Threat ! Harbringer ! Doom !"
When the likes of a probably Depowered Ultimate Nullifier were never deemed as such, implying it was vastly weaker than the Celestials , even when wielded by Reed Richards, and was clearly concentrating his whole being into it [to the point he was sweating] . We've seen him restart the Multiverse canonically (Abraxas Arc) using it , and it didn't take much concentration to do so. He was using much more concentration (hinting he was using more power) yet it was doing nothing and was no where near a threat.
Stated that the thing between Well-Fed Galactus , other , and Scrier was going to destroy all of creation, and that the Chaos War was merely a prelude compared to the destruction it caused (keep in mind the destruction caused in Chaos War was up to a High 1-B scale):
Captain Britai
These set of comics takes place in the same canon as above... So note that.
Roma's Otherworld is described as Pan-Dimensional
A person who works for Roma states she views all planes of reality
Stated from Otherworld, you can access all of Creation
Wrecking Otherworld was affecting all Higher-Dimensions, implying ROma views the Multiverse through the Otherworld:
Merlyn, who Roma replaced in power, allowed Jamie Bardock to become this when he took his power:
But yet... Despite all of this, especially in the exact same comic she stated she viewed all of creaiton , every plane of existence, all myriad aspects of existence and all dimensions of reality: stated Franklin was capable of destroying Everything
