Willverse 1-A Upgrade - Icons and The Way (One More Staff Needed)

[Sonoftanavast9]

I already agree with this, but will this make anyone who use Icons a Low 1-A/1-A smurf?

Yeah but there's some very verse specific stuff I want to get into that involves such smurfs in the next thread I make which more or less boils down to their hax being Low 1-A (For users of Icons)/1-A(For Abidan) but they have a weakness (The users own capabilities of sustaining such hax essentially) -Except for Judges since it doesn't apply to them

 

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[Grabbing_dragon]

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Is the way Between World said to be nonexistence for it to be nep 2

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Is the way Between World said to be nonexistence for it to be nep 2

It's the source of the concepts of nonexistence and existence that is beyond both

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

It's the source of the concepts of nonexistence and existence that is beyond both

But it also needs to be in a state of nonexistence. The name of the power is "Nonexistent Physiology" for a reason.


"The physical body of every character with this ability has to be nonexistent." That means that users always are Incorporeal, unless maybe they physically qualify for Paradoxical Nonexistence. That means that robots or similar don't qualify for spiritual or mental nonexistence, as they physically exist. Incorporeality alone, however, is not enough. The character has to additionally have at least one combination of the following types:


Nep 2
Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to "behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence" , but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

But it also needs to be in a state of nonexistence. The name of the power is "Nonexistent Physiology" for a reason.


"The physical body of every character with this ability has to be nonexistent." That means that users always are Incorporeal, unless maybe they physically qualify for Paradoxical Nonexistence. That means that robots or similar don't qualify for spiritual or mental nonexistence, as they physically exist. Incorporeality alone, however, is not enough. The character has to additionally have at least one combination of the following types:


Nep 2
Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to "behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence" , but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.

It meets the conditions to be catehorized as type 2 by virtue of what it is inrelation to Nonexistence and Existence

Incorporeality alone, however, is not enough. The character has to additionally have at least one combination of the following types

It says here that incorporeality alone, isn't enough and that to qualify the character must have the qualities of one of the types

Which the Way clearly does.

In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence

Like the quote you already provided the thing must be neither 1 (Existence) nor 0 (Nonexistence) which the Way naturally is.

The 1 and 0 in that analogy are a product of the Way itself which it does not possess, by virtue of being completely seperate from them.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

It meets the conditions to be catehorized as type 2 by virtue of what it is inrelation to Nonexistence and Existence

Yeah, it meets one of the conditions, but it is not nonexistence. NEP 2 is nothingness that is beyond concepts of existence and nonexistence. As stated in NEP 2 page , characters have to "behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence.

It says here that incorporeality alone, isn't enough and that to qualify the character must have the qualities of one of the types

Which the Way clearly does.

No

Like the quote you already provided the thing must be neither 1 (Existence) nor 0 (Nonexistence) which the Way naturally is.

But also nonexistence body,world etc

The 1 and 0 in that analogy are a product of the Way itself which it does not possess, by virtue of being completely seperate from them.

A character can transcerd duality of existence and nonexistence and yet still existence , like i said above it would be nep 2 if it was a void
it is stated by a staff and the nep 2 page

Nonexistent Physiology: Updating Characters to the New Types

So this would be 1 & 3 for nature and 1, 3, 4 & 5 for aspect? Which is weird considering the characters constantly interact with the void as if it had material existence. Also the sea of conscious = some dimension in between your brow where your mind/will soul and whatever else you want to put...

vsbattles.com

Proposal for a Nonexistent Physiology Revision

Ant, DT has updated the results of the thread in his OP. If you read the very bottom he says this with the updated rework on Nonexistent physiology.

vsbattles.com

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Yeah it meets one of the conditions ,but it is not nonexistence , nep 2 is nothingness that is beyond concepts of existence and nonexistence , like it is stated on nep 2 characters have to "behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence"

It isn't a physical thing, the criteria is pretty much incorporeal while qualifying for one of the types

Incorporeality alone, however, is not enough. The character has to additionally have at least one combination of the following types

The core qualification for having Nonexitent Physiology is being Incorporeal in addition to doing so through qualifying for one of more of the types of Nonexitent Physiology

Additionally: as an extra factor or circumstance - So the circumstances for Nonexitent Physiology is being Incorporeal in addition to qualifying for one of the Types usually because you are primarily incorporeal due to those reasons.

No

"No" isn't a relevant response nor a rebuttal.

The Way is incorporeal while additionally possessing neither the concept of Nonexitence or Existence which by definition qualifies for Nonexistent Physiology Type 2. Actually form a rebuttal

But also nonexistence.

It is beyond Nonexistence and Existence inherently and both are simply products of it which it serves to maintain and create to begin with. It is literally the source of both the concepts of Existence and Nonexistence

A character can transcerd duality of existence and nonexistence and yet still existence , like i said above it would be nep 2 if it was a void

The Way doesn't "Exists" it is literally outside "existence" and is the source of existence and nonexistence whie it resides beyond both.

it is stated by a staff and the nep 2 page

Non of the staff comments you linked to are relevant to this discussion at all and the Way qualifies literally by page itself.

Qualifying as per the page is the following:

That means that users always are Incorporeal, unless maybe they physically qualify for Paradoxical Nonexistence. That means that robots or similar don't qualify for spiritual or mental nonexistence, as they physically exist. Incorporeality alone, however, is not enough. The character has to additionally have at least one combination of the following types

It's literally right there and the Way Qualifies

It's not physical or corporeal thing to begin with and it lacks the concepts of nonexistence and existence how would it then by your logic actually be a thing that conventionally exists despite as stated multiple times - Lacking Nonexistence and Existence.

 

[Livinmeme]

Shouldn't the void have nonduality type 3? It is the lack of the way "existing" as something else, and the way itself utterly trascends all conceptual dualities like reality and unreality, and icons.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

Shouldn't the void have nonduality type 3? It is the lack of the way "existing" as something else, and the way itself utterly trascends all conceptual dualities like reality and unreality, and icons.

TBH I'll probably work out the overhaul to the Void Stuff by the next thread, mainly because it will also require a few changes to the Fiend Physiology Page and one of the characters I'm adding in that thread is heavily tied to using the Void

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

The core qualification for having Nonexitent Physiology is being Incorporeal in addition to doing so through qualifying for one of more of the types of Nonexitent Physiology

Additionally: as an extra factor or circumstance - So the circumstances for Nonexitent Physiology is being Incorporeal in addition to qualifying for one of the Types usually because you are primarily incorporeal due to those reasons.

"No" isn't a relevant response nor a rebuttal.

The Way is incorporeal while additionally possessing neither the concept of Nonexitence or Existence which by definition qualifies for Nonexistent Physiology Type 2. Actually form a rebuttal

It is beyond Nonexistence and Existence inherently and both are simply products of it which it serves to maintain and create to begin with. It is literally the source of both the concepts of Existence and Nonexistence

The Way doesn't "Exists" it is literally outside "existence" and is the source of existence and nonexistence whie it resides beyond both.

The realm being incorporeal does not make it nonexistence in its state of being. The reason why it is incorporeal is because it is Abstract Existence Type 1, which literally means the realm still exists since the totality of existence includes Abstract Existences. From what I saw from this verse, it has the concept where the realm chaos is the opposite to existence (of course not being opposite in the sense of being duality,they can be beyond them), and the way between worlds literally represents existence.
like it is stated on nep 2 page characters just need to to transcerd the duality of 0 and 1 while being nonexistence in there state of being.

Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.

Non of the staff comments you linked to are relevant to this discussion at all and the Way qualifies literally by page itself.

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Nature Type 2 means you're nonexistent in a fashion that you are not nonexisting in the usual nonexistent state of nothingness.

Qualifying as per the page is the following:

It's literally right there and the Way Qualifies

It's not physical or corporeal thing to begin with and it lacks the concepts of nonexistence and existence how would it then by your logic actually be a thing that conventionally exists despite as stated multiple times - Lacking Nonexistence and Existence.

already said above why it would not be nep 2.

am done you should just ask this staff , just saying the standards
rest of the stuff looks good, the very definition of a 1A conceptual realm and TD i will be Neutral.

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

The realm being incorporeal does not make it nonexistence in its state of being. The reason why it is incorporeal is because it is Abstract Existence Type 1, which literally means the realm still exists since the totality of existence includes Abstract Existences. From what I saw from this verse, it has the concept where the realm chaos is the opposite to existence (of course not being opposite in the sense of being duality,they can be beyond them), and the way between worlds literally represents existence.
like it is stated on nep 2 page characters just need to to transcerd the duality of 0 and 1 while being nonexistence in there state of being.

The literal page for Nonexistent Physiology literally says word for word that being incorporeal does infact matter to nonexistent Physiology but that it's that in addition to qualifying for one of the Types outlined... It is literally right there in the page

Incorporeality alone, however, is not enough. The character has to additionally have at least one combination of the following types

The core qualification for having Nonexitent Physiology is being Incorporeal in addition to doing so through qualifying for one of more of the types of Nonexitent Physiology

Additionally: as an extra factor or circumstance - So the circumstances for Nonexitent Physiology is being Incorporeal in addition to qualifying for one of the Types usually because you are primarily incorporeal due to those reasons.

I have literally already quoted it word for word

The Concepts of Existence and Nonexistence are both products of the Way and the Void is outside both, It is literally word for word outside both like the Way is, except the Void is furthermore outside the Influence of the Way itself and against it but it is still ultimately capable of being restricted by it to some extent and the literally fiends made of the substance of the Void Point that out.

like it is stated on nep 2 page characters just need to to transcerd the duality of 0 and 1 while being nonexistence in there state of being.

Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence. These characters often have some form of Nonduality due to their lack of binary existence. Characters of this type have to behave at least as nonexistent as those with Material Nonexistence, but might display even further showings such as preceding or opposing existence.

The Way literally qualifies, just because you want to ignore the literal words on the page doesn't mean anything to my point -

It says word for word that

Incorporeality alone, however, is not enough. The character has to additionally have at least one combination of the following types

Which the Way qualifies for by virtue of being incorporeal and additionally lacking concepts of existence and nonexistence

Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence.

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Nature Type 2 means you're nonexistent in a fashion that you are not nonexisting in the usual nonexistent state of nothingness.

The Way literally qualifies
The Way resides even deeper and at a more foundational level than Icons themselves[21] which include the concepts of "Non-Existence"[3] and "Existence"[16]

already said above why it would not be nep 2.

No you didn't, your entire arguement predicates on willfully ignoring what is clearly written on the page for Nonexistence Physiology because you personally don't like it which I couldn't care less about. If ypu don't like what is on the page itself then make CRT to change the Nonexistent Physiology Page

 

[Sonoftanavast9]

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