Why is it assumed the whole crater is vaporized?

[Jaakubb]

I know this doesn't affect much but...

So in this calc the whole crater is assumed to be vaporized. But that doesn't seem valid. I was in a thread before and we concluded that just because there's smoke or heat involved or that SOME matter was vaporized doesn't mean the ENTIRE crater was vaporized. I'll find it later and edit into my post.

Edit: Here's the thread.

 

[Antvasima]

You should ask Firestorm808 to comment here.

 

[Jaakubb]

Alright, I did.

 

[Firestorm808]

Even assuming that only half the volume was vaporized, we would still get 1.1*10^29 Joules, High 6-A.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

The vaporization method is fine if the entire attack is 100% pure heat, but I should note that a new policy proposed by Ugarik basically says that attacks that are nothing but pure heat/radiation don't fully scale to durability unless they're based on a linear universal power energy system. However, to my knowledge, the BFG is implied to shatter the surface of the Earth and there are some chunks of land mass getting splattered, so I don't think the entire thing is total vaporization. And there is some degree of blunt force trauma.

 

[Firestorm808]

Doing the math, only 56% of the volume needs to be vaporized to be Moon level.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. It is probably fine then, but I am not a good person to ask.

 

[Jaakubb]

Still I think pulverization would be better. There's no evidence that any significant portion of the crater at all was vaporized outside of the ground in the immediate vicinity of the actual laser.

 

[Firestorm808]

The Codex entry for the BFG 9000 states that it vaporizes the target. This applies to the BFG 1000 as well. Also, the amount of floating space debris doesn't add up to half the volume.

 

[Jaakubb]

I don't know about the space debris. Maybe it was just pulverized to the point where we couldn't see much of it but it wasn't quite vaporized.

Sure it vaporizes the target. But you're really pushing it if you interpret that as "the BFG10000 vaporizes all matter that it affects, no more no less." Again, only a tiny fraction of the crater being vaporized is still consistent with the codex entry.

 

[Jangles211]

BFG 10k aftermath https://imgur.com/gallery/Hjoe4rm

 

[Jaakubb]

Alright. Theres a lot of chunks. Probably even more debris offscreen.

 

[Firestorm808]

Most of that debris is of the Phobos Base, not Mars. There's only some chunks actually from Mars in that image.

 

[Jaakubb]

How can you tell?

 

[Firestorm808]

You can see the metal buildings and structures. Also, the ones from mars still have burning red outlines

 

[Jangles211]

I'd say the majority of ground zero got vaporized, the amount of chunks floating around does not at all represent the actual amount of land mass destroyed.

 

[Jaakubb]

^^^^^^^^ Yes. Much of ground zero was vaporized. The rest (which makes up most of the crater) was either launched offscreen or pulverized.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Having, "It vaporizes everything" doesn't quite cut it being 100% vaporization of the matter it destroyed. Though I definitely vaporizes some of the land mass, but it doesn't look like every drop of it was vaporized. Definition of vaporization is having no solid or liquid remains and it's all just gas now. The rest appears to just be violently fragmented. Pulverization basically means crumbling it to a salt like substance.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Firestorm mentioned that the same statistics rating would be maintained even if a part of it was not vaporised.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

True, he did say that only 56% of the mass would need to be vaporized. Although, it doesn't quite require anywhere near that much durability to survive the impact given Inverse Square Law.

 

[Jaakubb]

No one scales to that via dura though. Also I don't see any evidence that any more than ground zero was vaporized. Ground zero makes up like, what, one hundredth of the crater? There's no evidence that even 5% of the mass was vaporized.

 

[Antvasima]

@Medeus

Okay.

 

[Firestorm808]

Recalculation puts it at High 6-A.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Firestorm808/Doom_Feats#In-Game

 

[Jaakubb]

That's with pulverization right?

This isn't a hard position I'm taking but I want to know exactly what v. frag vs pulv. is. Isn't there a lot of debris in shown in the aftermath that is really small but not quite powder? Powder would be more like a cloud of dust, but there are small chunks shown. They're small but not quite powder.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks like it's he recalculated the size. And it would be High 6-A either way; pulverization or vaporization.

 

[Antvasima]

@Firestorm808

Thank you. You can ask here for evaluations: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4020729

Just remember to inform the calc group members about that they should evaluate the new version of the calculation.

 

[Jaakubb]

What if it's not even all pulverization because of what I said in my last post?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Violent Fragmentation would still be High 6-A.

 

[Antvasima]

I replied to the blog.

 

[Jaakubb]

Alright. So it's v. frag?

 

[Antvasima]

The adjusted calculation has not been accepted yet.

 

[Jaakubb]

Now what?

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask some calc group members to evaluate the blog via their message walls if you wish.