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It's No where near low 1-C I don't know why people believe that
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Why Is Goku Black Only 3-A????
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Nothing remotely stated that the universes are their own space-time thought, that came from the headcanon of whoever made DBS profile at that time.
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It's basically that if you believe that the universes are their own space-time, the timeline should contain 5D space and thus Low 1-C. Is obviously wrong, so 3-A is the better option
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Seems Like Downplay To Say Zeno Is 3-A if He Can Wipe Out multiple Universes which contain a whole macroverse
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All of this is 3D still. Next?
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Technically the cosmology can be argued to be as such....atleast we can brain storm on it since its fun to discuss....its Q&A thread afterall....but it won't go far.
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Technically not because 5-dimensional space but yeah, as we currently treat them, timelines are Low 1-C.
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Judging from how this thread came out, I think the obvious next step before people even think of downgrading or upgrading the verse is making a cosmology-thread for DBS.
Get a thread made to discuss the cosmology's make up, on whether or not the universes are separate space-times or shared space-times, and stick to that result. This debate has been on-going and has often come up in several threads because there's no clear consensus on how the verse is to be treated here. And until we come to agreement on that, this won't stop.
Get a thread made to discuss the cosmology's make up, on whether or not the universes are separate space-times or shared space-times, and stick to that result. This debate has been on-going and has often come up in several threads because there's no clear consensus on how the verse is to be treated here. And until we come to agreement on that, this won't stop.
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I prefer 2-C but I see where your going with it
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Hm Alright
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Yup this sounds best.
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So Its a Discussion Whether It's Low 1-C or 3-A
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Agreed
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Yup
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Whether it's Low 2-C or Low 1-C, at least.
The whole thing is still a full-ass space time, it'd just be about whether each of the universes has their own individual one. It's just that only maybe Zen'o would scale to it depending on how you view what he did.
The whole thing is still a full-ass space time, it'd just be about whether each of the universes has their own individual one. It's just that only maybe Zen'o would scale to it depending on how you view what he did.
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No one is seriously saying that DBS is going to be Low 1-C ofc, is just a way to say that timelines should be such if we seriously count them as their own space-time, however:
- Whis statement of all the universes being part of a single history
- Time Travel paradox cloning all the universes instead of just U7
- Zeno not erasing time as proved from Time Machine returning to Future Timeline
- Nothing stated that ROSAT or the Universes are their own space-time
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For the record the quilted multiverse argument was actually accepted for a time, before being refuted in a later revision. Though I don't remember the details of that.
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Yeh, It makes sense
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Lets not be so hasty.....there is no hard and fast rule that such a paradox cannot happen to a multiverse.
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I mean, the ROSAT is its own space-time, as is its twin brother in the Super manga.
They're just not big enough to matter for scaling.
They're just not big enough to matter for scaling.
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Lets not be so hasty.....there is no hard and fast rule that such a paradox cannot happen to a multiverse.
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No direct statement = no proof. Is just a planet sized space where time is messed up and nothing else
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Actually just checked the Zen'o profile, and while it dosen't link the revision thread, it does explain that the current accepted notion is that the dragon ball universes are considered to be seperate timelines that are relative to one another.
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Well not timelines, but time-spaces
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Nothing stops this if they're part of an overarching timeline though.
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That doesen't save it from being wrong, as nothing said that these realms are their own space-time.
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I mean, they all share the same timeline, which is a proof of time paradox affecting all universes instead of only 1
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Issue here is that is still in the same flow of time as stated from Whis, it only supports his statement
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That's really dumb and somewhat reductive. No one could feel outside of it, nor could they interact with it without the ability to rip holes through dimensions, and time flows far differently in there.
That being said, as I mentioned, it's too small to be used to scale anything according to this site, so bringing it up is still pointless.
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I agree though...?
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Again:
Or else this discussion is ultimately pointless.
We all need to really drop what we're doing, and make this thread.
Or else this discussion is ultimately pointless.
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Like I said, there was a wider revision thread, but I wasn't part of it, nor do I have it saved. You'd need to discuss it with the staff. Practically everything that covers the db ratings has been discussed a million times over though, so it'd be hard to get this big a revision through.
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oh, I thought u were counter arguing it, my bad, all this thread is confused lol
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You guys are obviously overcomplicating things for no reason... It's stated by vegeta verbatim "Saiyans have no limits", that's irrefutable evidence for tier 0 dragon ball like bruh shaking my head.
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This tbh, this'd probably be a good start.
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One thing I do wanna say about the ROSAT that I feel is wrong is that it's assuming the ROSAT dimensions are apart of a Macrocosm. We actually do not know if that's the case, the Macrocosm map doesn't have it listed within it and even Herms has pointed out that the ROSATS "Location" is unknown. Seems pretty sketchy to try and use it to justify there being multiple space times within a timeline, for all we know they exist outside of it or some other weird thing.
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I mean we still need to reach a consensus here though and gather points and direction of next CRT whether or not it is upgrade or downgrade...
we need to discuss first and foremost whether each of the universes(U1 to U12) is space-time continuum.
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