Why is Beerus Universal+?

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

• High Universe level: Characters who have an infinite degree of 3-dimensional power. Alternately 4-dimensional power that is shown as completely qualitatively superior to 3-Dimensional beings, but is less than universal in scale. Or that allows them to create [I'll assume 'destroy' also fits] large parts of a universal continuum. Take note that 4-D power should logically always be superior to countably infinite 3-D power, so characters within this tier are not necessarily comparable. Also take note that we consider most small scale time-space abilities as hax, not as AP.
• Universe level+: ("Low 2-C") This is for characters who can destroy and/or create the entire 4-dimensional space-time of a single universe, not just the physical matter within one. For example, an entire timeline.

Not saying that Beerus doesn't deserve the universal+ rating, I'm just wondering why is he considered timeline level? Where was the proof of him being able to take out the entire continuum of a universe?

I've apparently been using High Universal and Universal+ wrong, since with Universal+, destroying the universe has no past present or future to return to because the entire thing is destroyed, whereas only destroying the part of the continuum means you can go back in time and refix the events.

So unless that thinking is wrong as well, I want to know how Beerus is considered timeline level.

 

[Akreious]

Infinite Zamasu wasnt considered as a serious threat by Beerus. That alone Warners a low 2-C

 

[Naitez]

Weird scaling by him being stronger than Infinite Zamasu due him not being as shocked by Infinite Zamasu as much as he was by Jiren and multiple statements calling Jiren the strongest Dragon Ball opponent ever.

 

[DeathstroketheHedgehog]

Infinite Zamasu wasnt considered as a serious threat by Beerus. That alone Warners a low 2-C

If that's the case, they should really add that to Beerus's page, it would clear up some stuff.

 

[Akreious]

"Universe level+ (Any powerful God of Destruction can destroy the universe even when holding back immensely, and should any two GoDs fight, the collateral damage will result in the destruction of their respective universes. Should at least be somewhat comparable to Infinite Zamasu)"

Truth be told this is also false as not considering someone a serious threat would imply a superiority in power

 

[Naitez]

It's really dumb in my opinion but that's just how it goes.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Wasn't there a thread to update Beerus' page with a better description of power? I think it was forgotten.

 

[AKM sama]

Well, another reason is that GoD Toppo was stronger than a heavily suppressed Jiren who in turn was stronger than IZ.

And GoD Toppo is still a candidate to become a GoD and other GoDs were not much impressed by his power. So he is likely weaker than other GoDs. But it was stated that he is no different than a GoD.

That alone puts all the GoDs at universe+ level, along with Beerus.

 

[Antvasima]

You can ask the staff members listed under Dragon Ball in the Knowledgeable Members List to give input here.

 

[fandom_22Easy]

Guys, chill on the DBS revision threads.

 

[Ryukama]

@AKM sama Also 3rd UIO was stated to have "maybe" surpassed Beerus. With 3rd UIO being much stronger than 1st UIO, who was able to match a suppressed Jiren that was stated to be stronger than IZ.

Or in other words a character that's way above IZ was only said to have maybe surpassed Beerus.

 

[Antvasima]

Do we need to improve on Beerus' AP justification?

 

[AKM sama]

Wasn't there a thread to update Beerus' page with a better description of power? I think it was forgotten.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1605354

Here is the thread it was discussed in.

 

[Aeyu]

@Ant, Ryu

Here is what I proposed as an upgrade for their tiering justifications (Not just Beerus, but all the GoDs), which was largely approved of by other users and admins alike:

For most GoD's:

Universe level+ (When two Gods of Destruction fight, it poses an existential threat to each of their respective universes. Should be comparable or superior to Toppo, who was capable of warping the infinite World of Void, and is himself comparable a limit-broken Vegeta, who was capable of fighting competently with a held-back Jire, stated several times to be the strongest foe in Dragon Ball history and surpassing the likes of even an incomplete Infinite Zamasu)

For Champa:

Universe level+ (When two Gods of Destruction fight, it poses an existential threat to each of their respective universes. Should be comparable or superior to Toppo, who was capable of warping the infinite World of Void, and is himself comparable a limit-broken Vegeta, who was capable of fighting competently with a held-back Jire, stated several times to be the strongest foe in Dragon Ball history and surpassing the likes of even an incomplete Infinite Zamasu. Comparable, although inferior to, Beerus, who possessed an incomplete Ultra Instinct)

For Beerus:

Universe level+ (When two Gods of Destruction fight, it poses an existential threat to each of their respective universes. Should be comparable or superior to Toppo, who was capable of warping the infinite World of Void, and is himself comparable a limit-broken Vegeta, who was capable of fighting competently with a held-back Jire, stated several times to be the strongest foe in Dragon Ball history and surpassing the likes of even an incomplete Infinite Zamasu. Revealed by Whis to possess an incomplete Ultra Instinct, and is likely superior to at least some of the other Gods of Destruction)

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that that seems fine.

 

[Ryukama]

@Aeyu Explain why Toppo is comparable to suppressed Jiren and that seems good.

 

[AKM sama]

Then we'll have to add the stuff about SSJBE Vegeta.

 

[ShakeResounding]

We should provably do it before it's forgotten about again.

 

[Aeyu]

@Ryu

Done.

 

[Ryukama]

@Aeyu Thanks

 

[Antvasima]

So has Aeyu's proposed changes been sufficiently accepted?

If so, it would be good if somebody wrote a list of all the exact page names of the pages that need to be updated, so I can unlock them with my automated script.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Antvasima

Iwen

Helles

Mule

Quitela

Arack

Champa

Beerus

Liquir

Sidra

Ramsshi

Belmod

Geene

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I have unlocked them. Tell me here when you are done.

(Although the name should have been Rumsshi)

 

[Theglassman12]

Just got done.

@Aeyu thanks for the explanation for their tiers.

 

[Antvasima]

So have you replaced all of their explanations with Aeyu's versions?

 

[Theglassman12]

Yes I did. It made it SOOOOOO much easier on my end.

 

[Antvasima]

And used different versions for Beerus and Champa?

 

[Theglassman12]

Yep. You can check if you think I'm lying.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem. I do not think that you are lying.

I will lock the profiles again then. Should I close this thread as well?

 

[Theglassman12]

I guess so. We (hopefully) addressed the low 2-C justification, and (hopefully) don't get anymore threads anytime soon.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.