Why Dragonball Xeno has not received an upgrade by this feat.

[Likelytierzero]

https://imgur.com/a/p4H0RwE

but fate got 2A by similar feat. https://m.imgur.com/gallery/jDHKmMv

 

[Akreious]

Is there maybe supporting feats for Fate that justifies 2-A? If not, this seems like a definite case of hypocrisy.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

They're not similar.

In Fate's case, the 2-A is because the infinite possibilities already exist as universes.

In Dragon Ball, it says history can end up taking an infinite number of paths as there are new timelines constantly being created endlessly, not that they already exist. While a high level of it, it's just 2-B.

 

[Akreious]

They're not similar.
In Fate's case, the 2-A is because the infinite possibilities already exist as universes.

In Dragon Ball, it says history can end up taking an infinite number of paths as there are new timelines constantly being created endlessly, not that they already exist. While a high level of it, it's just 2-B.

I hope you do realize that since every possibility of timelines already exist, them having "Infinite Possibilities" means that the Dragon Ball Verse is 2-A regardless right? Since every possibility can end up taking an infinite number of paths and as the Dragon Ball verse works on "Each possibility is its own timeline", it makes it 2-A.

So the word "can" doesn't mean much when it's accepted every possibility already congruently exists next to eachother.

 

[John985]

here are some scans for infinite parallel worlds and possibilities from Fate Stay Night.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

>Every possibility already exists.

>Possibilities create new timelines.

You can't have it both ways. If every possibility already existed then there wouldn't be new timelines being created from these possibilities. 2-A makes absolutely no sense if you actually pay attention to the context of how the multiverse in Xenoverse works.

 

[Planck69]

Doesn't the Dragon Ball Xenoverse multiverse follow Many Worlds Theory? From what I've seen in past threads, all possibilities already exist as universes and aren't continuously being made. This is sorta why they have the highest AP in 2B. If one could find more statements about 2A, they would probably refer to already existing timelines.

I for one am neutral. Though I could recall a thread where multiple statements of infinite possibilities were mentioned. Maybe those would be more concrete.

 

[PowerToScale]

@Planck69

I don't know if this would help but there is this post that has a bit more evidence. Also there are a couple of promotional posters that state the db games (One of the is for DB Project Fusions) although they could be just be written off as promotional.

https://illmaticking.wordpress.com/2017/04/15/infinite-timelines-dragon-ball/

https://www.player.one/dragon-ball-...me-have-infinite-possibilities-fusions-506561 (Promotional 2: wouldn't let me upload photo).

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[Akreious]

Basically what Planck said. The Dragon Ball Verse has one of the highest 2-B ratings possible since destroying all of history (Which means every Timeline) would destroy every possibility (timeline) there is. If they simply stretched on endlessly, it wouldn't be anywhere near the highest possible 2-B rating since it'd be largely unquantifiable.

"You can't have it both ways. If every possibility already existed then there wouldn't be new timelines being created from these possibilities. 2-A makes absolutely no sense if you actually pay attention to the context of how the multiverse in Xenoverse works."

You're going to lecture me about how the Multiverse works in Dragon Ball huh? Well then!

Literally the first job of a Time Patroller is to prevent the creation of new timelines. Future Trunks explains it best:

https://imgur.com/LqGoiOe

https://imgur.com/gnkrNem

https://imgur.com/fvH07QP

https://imgur.com/TUBrGIp

https://imgur.com/mvoIeur

https://imgur.com/6ouK0iO

https://imgur.com/Z25Tp21

Trunks explicitly says that the creation of New Timelines is due to paradoxes/contradictions in Timelines. These can be fixed by fusing two similar timelines together, however some remaining fragments could still become timelines (Massively increasing the size of the Multiverse since their existence means a whole lot other possibilities, although possibly superfluous because Infinite.)

And no, the Time Breakers that break history and cause changes in Timelines aren't included in the Infinite Possibilites of the Dragon Ball. Pretty much everybody is Acausal and isn't affected by changes in time unless by a specific ability of another character.

Point is, if the Timelines are endlessly expanding then there's literally no point in doing what Trunks says happens.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

"In other words, while there's a future in which Goku-san is alive, there's another future in which he is dead. Many different futures are created over the smallest of things."

Key word being created, not already existing. Trunks literally debunks 2-A right there.

 

[Planck69]

"In other words, while there's a future in which Goku-san is alive, there's another future in which he is dead. Many different futures are created over the smallest of things."

Key word being created, not already existing. Trunks literally debunks 2-A right there.

I feel like that was more of a way to explain the cosmology than anything else. From what I've seen of multiple scans and quotes, the number of universes doesn't grow since it already reached the largest possible amount(that being all possibilities).

Honestly, while I'm not sure if this will be accepted or not, I don't understand why people are in such a rush to take Dragon Ball from a tier that it dominates in strength to a tier where it would get creamed hard (for ****'s sake guys, this is the same tier as SMT, Digimon and DnD!).

Anyway, I'll let more experienced members sort this out.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I feel like that was more of a way to explain the cosmology than anything else. From what I've seen of multiple scans and quotes, the number of universes doesn't grow since it already reached the largest possible amount(that being all possibilities).

That's baseless. If Trunks wanted to say all possibilities existed he would've said "there exists many different futures over the smallest of things."

Honestly, while I'm not sure if this will be accepted or not, I don't understand why people are in such a rush to take Dragon Ball from a tier that it dominates in strength to a tier where it would get creamed hard (for ****'s sake guys, this is the same tier as SMT, Digimon and DnD!).

Because Dragon Ball fans just want to make their franchise as strong as possible, regardless if the evidence they're using to upgrade the verse is flawed.

 

[Planck69]

Hey man, this is just what I've seen on multiple threads concerning Dragon Ball Heroes and Xenoverse. I'd always thought the 'all possibilities already exist as universes' was generally accepted though which is why I made my first assumption. But if you feel that it's unfounded then that's cool.

I'd love to see the shit-show that would be 2-A Dragon Ball. Definitely worth a laugh or two seeing every 2-A worth their salt hax-rape almost any DBH/DB Xenoverse character they're put up against. But jokes aside, I'm open to either choice.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

This is going to end so badly...


Btw Fate being 2-A is justified by more than just that one scan..

Anyways that's all I'm going to say..