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Who is the strongest main character in shin megami tensei?
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Nanashi i think
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Well it could happen but nahobino is so strong too
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Indo aja lah Gerry
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It's arguably between Third Semester Joker and Messiahs in The Diamond Realm Nanashi. Nahobino is relatively middle-of-the-road on the protagonist rankings.
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I remembered when fans used to say it was Aleph, but Luke sounds about right.
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I find it funny that simply because of what Royal added, Joker is now in the running for strongest SMT protagonist
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1 - El from Last Bible for having defeated the Universal Consciousness / Universal Will (stated to be above a Creator OC that had made Lucifer)
2 - Seraph/Shroendinger after his fight with Braman, as he outright becomes a trascendent being like STEVEN, St. Germain and the Minister (Mido), down to being able to exist even after having separated his own essence post reincarnation
3 - Hibiki Kuze for having brought down Canopus, a being above the universal adminstrator system, being comparable to Polaris, as well as other Summoners who were able to summon over 20 demons at once (to give you an idea, Raidou Kuzunoha can at most summon 9 demons when amped by Kushinada Hime)
I personally disagree with the Persona scaling on this wiki (Heck, I place Joker below Door-kun), as well as the stance of YHVH in Apocalypse, but if we assume that it is true, Joker and Nanashi are above Hibiki
2 - Seraph/Shroendinger after his fight with Braman, as he outright becomes a trascendent being like STEVEN, St. Germain and the Minister (Mido), down to being able to exist even after having separated his own essence post reincarnation
3 - Hibiki Kuze for having brought down Canopus, a being above the universal adminstrator system, being comparable to Polaris, as well as other Summoners who were able to summon over 20 demons at once (to give you an idea, Raidou Kuzunoha can at most summon 9 demons when amped by Kushinada Hime)
I personally disagree with the Persona scaling on this wiki (Heck, I place Joker below Door-kun), as well as the stance of YHVH in Apocalypse, but if we assume that it is true, Joker and Nanashi are above Hibiki
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#Persona5Sweep
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What is there to disagree with
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I can't disagree or agree with the current Persona 5 scaling because I haven't played it, but there is a lot of overlooked stuff for Persona in a lot of places. Still I think the scaling is fine based on what I hear. Also but Universal Consciousness, do you mean the Great Reason? Also, I know Stephen has hinted it is possible for a human to technically surpass the power of the Great Reason, but that it is unlikely anyone ever will as even witnessing a miniscule of Great Reason made him like absolutely superior to both YHVH and Lucifer reading his profile.
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tbh theres a lot of overwanked stuff in persona, and the wiki in general
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There are Archetype beings fought as final bosses in Persona games such as Yaldaboath in Persona 5.
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I think I would've agreed with this four or five years ago lol
TheKingStrategist13
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Like Luke said, Prolly Royal Joker, though I'm not knowledgeable on Mainline character's like Nanashi to the degree that Luke is.
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Let's start with placing Philemon and Nyarlathotep even above a mid tier demon of SMT.
Then we have the headcanon that YHVH is the Great Will in SMT IV, which is hilarious
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All bark and no bite. Our scaling's backed up by a CRT. Make one yourself if you think it's so "hilarious".
TheKingStrategist13
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You are completely free to disagree. That said, the SMT community have made several CRT's to justify their placement of character's, and the way Persona is treated on this wiki is Objectively based upon the outcome's of said CRT's. If you want, you can attempt to make a CRT to try and put Philemon and Nyarly below Mid Tier SMT Demon's.
That said, on a subjective note... I highly doubt you would get anywhere.
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The CRT in question was.... bad. Very bad. Honestly, i don't do one because it's a worse attempt than to savage the MegaTen wiki.
Plus, between the slowness of people and the one time I tried to make a CRT here with Guilty Gear... No thanks. It's an errand i lack will and time about.
TheKingStrategist13
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If that's the case and you lack the desire to make a change, then why bother complaining. You're just wasting time.
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I am allowed to complain as long as I do not act toxic in regards.
I just said that I whole heartedly disagree.
Let just bygones be bygone and go forward with your headcanons, while i go with mine.
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Virtually means nothing, really YHVH (Manifestation) also made Lucifer, so by your logic, everyone who beat YHVH is the strongest.
There are different forms of transcending reincarnation. Seraph’s transcendence is that it solely DDS/QDS’s multiverse, not those of Steven, Germain, and Mido, who glimpsed The Great Reason.
I don’t understand why this would make him top 3, though.
Hope that clears things up, I would’ve preferred you make a downgrade (desperately so).
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TheKingStrategist13
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Yes, you are allowed to complain. I'm simply asking, why you chose to do so. You may not be breaking the rules, but it is truly tiring for the SMT community, or any community really, to have people willing to complain that they don't agree with the ratings, but lack the desire to actually try to do anything about them. It just, looks kind of lazy- Not that I'm trying to say anything about you.
Regardless, while you may continue to complain, please bare in mind that the statistic's for the SMT Verse on the wiki are in direct relation to what's on the profiles and what results from the CRT's.
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Uh.... it means everything?
El = Universal Will >>>> Laseback / YHVH (I put YHVH above for having better feats overall >>>> Lucifer
No, there aren't. Literally nothing says such.
Literally Canopus >>> Administrators = YHVH in terms of authority and power lol
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You aren’t proving how it’s superior to YHVH.
There is, actually. There’s a cycle of Reincarnation in SMT I-V (propagated by YHVH), there’s a cycle of reincarnation in Persona (suggested by Enlil), there’s a cycle of reincarnation in DDS/QDS (done by Brahman). Unless you think there’s only one form of reincarnation across, there are a whole lot of Steven level characters for transcending it.
Because of?
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Werent the events in Last Bible just created by Nakajima?
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Okay, sorry. I am still not doing it because It would take a lifetime.
But by going by the current feats / statements of this wiki it would be
1) Joker for beating a trascendental
2) Makoto Yuki with the Universe Arcana for surprising Igor in terms of Power (the guy that knew people that defeated Nyarlathotep and Philemon, halves of the Great consciousness, by themselves, and that knows that Star Eater Nyx is held off by the entirety of the Collective consciousuness)
3) Maya Amano, for having beaten Nyarlathotep and Philemon, halves of the Collective consciousness and trascending the whole SMT universe
And who is stronger between Nahobino and Nanashi?
By wiki rules and standards, Nanashi, by my own personal headcanon, Nahobino
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No idea. I scarcely remember the events. Powerscaling brain has cooked me.
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Same, and playing through 5 Gameboy, game gear, and Snes games is asking a lot
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Worst protagonist is Demi-fiend magic build
That is my only knowledge about SMT, persona I won´t say anything, I played 3 and 4 only
I forgot Serph human form from digital devil saga, my bad
That is my only knowledge about SMT, persona I won´t say anything, I played 3 and 4 only
I forgot Serph human form from digital devil saga, my bad
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Smt fans are something else looking for lore considering any game could be canon
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Bull (God killed by YHVH according to SMTV), nobody has scaled Ronde.
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Don't you mean by Lucifer? And I'm pretty sure it was discussed here that they didn't kill YHVH, only a different God
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Ah, wait, brain fart
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It was, as you figured out, a joke to the bull God/ Baal.
But yeah, admittedly there has never been an instance the 'God of Law' from V is called YHVH. It is HEAVILY Implied it was him, and likely they were just avoiding to use record scratch to address him, but not a concrete proof.
But yeah, admittedly there has never been an instance the 'God of Law' from V is called YHVH. It is HEAVILY Implied it was him, and likely they were just avoiding to use record scratch to address him, but not a concrete proof.
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I think it’s pretty obvious it’s YHVH, lmao. The God of Law, and YHVH being a law-based entity aren’t a coincidence.
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