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Who can defeat Wally West?

Jonosterman

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Who can defeat a bloodlusted Wally West (Post-Crisis).

No prep. Fight takes place in DC Earth 1. Speed-blitzing, BFR anything goes.

5-D or higher dimensional characters not allowed. Other speedforce users not allowed. Zoom (Hunter-Zolomon) not allowed. I am not allowed

Flash (Wally West)
 
Koishi Komeji, via mind hax. Since it passive, she can "resist" speed blitzing of sort, and just mind hax him into submission.

Amitabha: Manages to be faster, and has enough AP to defeat him.

Anyone with enough AP/hax and Infinite to Immeasurable speed takes it, really.
 
Yes to the second, NLF to end all NLFs to the first @Saik.

Reinhard and GEoM. getting the obvious ones out of the way.
 
@Cal NLF? This is just a mind hax that is passively activated. And Wally West doesn't have mind hax resistence, seemingly.
 
If Tier 2s as long as they aren't 5-D are allowed, then Swamp Thing. Far more than enough strength and hax to annihilate Flash, and Wally's got no way around that Regenerationn.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
@Cal NLF? This is just a mind hax that is passively activated. And Wally West doesn't have mind hax resistence, seemingly.
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It's NLF because it implies that regardless of both AP and speed, she'll win without resistance. Goku doesn't have resistance despite being able to lolblitz and one shot? GG for him. Yhwach? GG. Seiya doesn't have mind resistance? GG for him too. Othinus? No? GG. What about Giratina? No? GG. Asriel Dreemurr? No? GG.
 
Ryukama said:
If Tier 2s as long as they aren't 5-D are allowed, then Swamp Thing. Far more than enough strength and hax to annihilate Flash, and Wally's got no way around that Regenerationn.
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He can speedsteal though. It's base form doesn't seems fast enough
 
You can say that to any hax and just ignores it as "NLF". The whole point of hax is that it can bypass a certain statistics, up to a certain degree. Here, her hax makes it so that he can not only not percieve her existence at all, but he will also forget about her. And due to being a passive ability of hers, she doesn't need to activate it. That's like saying Non-corporeality is a NLF because it ignores far higher AP than the character's durability...
 
Did you even look at my examples? It's an NLF becuse she will always win unless Condition A is met. Unless you have resistance or you're a robot, then she already won. Non Corporeality has limitations. Other haxes can put that down. Heck, a non-corporeal character gets beat by the version of Koishi you're using.
 
Condition A is being immune. That's it. The way it's being put is GER made even more NLF, because it's weaker and a non-acausal has a chance of beating GER.
 
By your logic, Fate Manipulation or Conceptual Manipulation is NLF because the only way to bypass it is to be resistant to it.
 
Fate Manipulation is stopped by having better abilities. Conceptual Manipulation is the same way, and even then, it's normally a tier 1 ability.
 
"Fate Manipulation is stopped by having better abilities"

Like what?

"Conceptual Manipulation is the same way, and even then, it's normally a tier 1 ability."

No, it really isn't.
 
Fate manipulation can be stopped by:

Time Manipulation, Casuality Manipulation, Probability Manipulation, Mind/Soul Manipulation or beating the s*** out of them is the user is faster (and that's where Koishi is NLF).

"No it really isn't"

Isn't what? The same way? Or normally a tier 1 ability?
 
Again, you're being way too overgeneralized with the assumption. With the exceptions of things like Higher-Dimensional Manipulation, there's no "required tier" for any hax. It's just as likely for there to be a 10-B who's Acasual as it is for a 2-B to be Acasual.
 
Um, no. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's likely. I never said there was a required tier either. Heck, even DarkLK thinks somewhat on this. Stuff like matter Manipulation might be hax for tier 3 and 4, but is laughable at tier 2
 
Whether or not it's hax is irrelevant, what matters is that Conceptual Manipulation isn't "normally a Tier 1 ability".
 
If you line up all of the conceptual manipulators on this site, I can guarantee that the largest percentages will be tier 1 and 2
 
Light Yagami if he can write "Wally West" before being blitzed

Goku, Vegeta, and Hit if they can manage to hit him

Cell, Buu, and Zamasu by via regen and just blowing up the planet

Post Crisis Superman

etc.
 
Pokémon Trainer Jacob said:
Light Yagami if he can write "Wally West" before being blitzed

Goku, Vegeta, and Hit if they can manage to hit him

Cell, Buu, and Zamasu by via regen and just blowing up the planet

Post Crisis Superman

etc.
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They will either get speedstealed & dumped into the speedforce or their brain phased out before they can react. I listed Hit because he has intangibility. By the way is there any Pokemon strong enough? Can Ben 10000 do it?
 
@Jon Arceus, Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia would be able to, but iirc nothing in Ben's arsenal is fast enough to keep up with Wally...
 
WeeklyBattles said:
@Jon Arceus, Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia would be able to, but iirc nothing in Ben's arsenal is fast enough to keep up with Wally...
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Well Clockwork can control time & Alien-X is literally omnipotent
 
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