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Who can defeat no limits fallacy saitama?

Clockwork 8-A

Saitama can easily blitz and destroy him in one punch but he doesn't realize that Clockwork's past selves can appear Intangible and Invisibile which means he can't touch or see them, and one of them either possesses him or just phase Saitama's orgins out from his body.
 
GyroNutz said:
ZeroTC01 said:
His mindhax work while he's dead, so that doesn't really matter.
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He'd have to get it off first
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He certainly wasn't getting it off himself during the post-main story events. His evil energy was just doing it on its own.

Also, are we even dealing with a bloodlusted Saitama?
 
ZeroTC01 said:
He certainly wasn't getting it off himself during the post-main story events. His evil energy was just doing it on its own.

Also, are we even dealing with a bloodlusted Saitama?
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Iirc we don't accept Demigra having passive mindhax on this wiki.

Saitama isn't bloodlusted, but he does have infinite speed, meaning he'd have to do an infinite amount of nothing to not kill someone with finite speed.
 
GyroNutz said:
ZeroTC01 said:
He certainly wasn't getting it off himself during the post-main story events. His evil energy was just doing it on its own.

Also, are we even dealing with a bloodlusted Saitama?
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Iirc we don't accept Demigra having passive mindhax on this wiki.
Saitama isn't bloodlusted, but he does have infinite speed, meaning he'd have to do an infinite amount of nothing to not kill someone with finite speed.
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Why not? It quite clearly functions while he's dead and not intervening with any events. Even if we don't accept it with Demigra consciously doing stuff, it should still work under the circumstances we've seen.

Also, that's not how it works at all. Infinite speed can be supressed. Otherwise, any of his movements in the anime/manga would literally be impossible. Saitama frequently does just stand there and tank things, in-character, btw.
 
True Dark Genie Low 6-B

Saitama can blitz and one shot his Avatars all he wants to but he'll never kill him and he'll just end up getting possessed by it's essence and TDG doesn't have a physical form so he isn't hitting him anyway, eventually Saitama goes down.
 
GyroNutz said:
'can become energy'
Not before he gets blitzed by an infinite speed Saitama
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"Duplication (Mirages have Demigra's powers, can act on their own after his death and can be spawned anywhere in his range)"

"Range: Standard melee range. Interstellar with ki blasts and attacks. | Standard melee range. Extended melee range with his staff. Multiversal with ki blasts, attacks and Kai Kai."

Saitama gets noscoped.
 
GyroNutz said:
'can be spawned'
Not before he gets blitzed by an infinite speed Saitama
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Well before he gets blitzed by infinite speed Saitama, since the latter is often a tank, and I'm yet to be given a reason as to why Demigra's evil energy can't mindhax Saitama.
 
ZeroTC01 said:
Also, that's not how it works at all. Infinite speed can be supressed. Otherwise, any of his movements in the anime/manga would literally be impossible. Saitama frequently does just stand there and tank things, in-character, btw.
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It is how it works. An infinite speed character supressing their speed by infinity would just be plot induced stupidity. This isn't meant to be a realistic Saitama with feats taken from canon material, this is a hypothetical, wanked Saitama.

He more often than not just punches his enemy before they attack him. Like with Vaccine Man, Subterranean King, Mosquito Girl, Groribas, Boros, Elder Centipede, Rover, ENW and probably others that I'm forgetting off the top of my head.
 
GyroNutz said:
ZeroTC01 said:
Also, that's not how it works at all. Infinite speed can be supressed. Otherwise, any of his movements in the anime/manga would literally be impossible. Saitama frequently does just stand there and tank things, in-character, btw.
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It is how it works. An infinite speed character supressing their speed by infinity would just be plot induced stupidity. This isn't meant to be a realistic Saitama with feats taken from canon material, this is a hypothetical, wanked Saitama.
He more often than not just punches his enemy before they attack him. Like with Vaccine Man, Subterranean King, Mosquito Girl, Groribas, Boros, Elder Centipede, Rover, ENW and probably others that I'm forgetting off the top of my head.
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It wouldn't be PIS at all. Fiction quite frequently ignores logic like that, and it is in no way OoC for Saitama to supress himself by rediculous degrees anyway.

He often does do that, but he often does tank as well, although not always necessarily at the very start. Boros, mid-battle, is an example of this. It's also a little off to say that Saitama's just going to endlessly one-shot Demigra, who continuously resurrects, without getting bored and calling it a day or giving him some sort of a shot, not to forget that Demigra can just resurrect himself universes away without Saitama knowing where he is, go invisible, go to him, and mindhax him then. He's an Extraordinary Genius, such a tactic shouldn't be rocket science to him.
 
ZeroTC01 said:
It wouldn't be PIS at all. Fiction quite frequently ignores logic like that, and it is in no way OoC for Saitama to supress himself by rediculous degrees anyway.

He often does do that, but he often does tank as well, although not always necessarily at the very start. Boros, mid-battle, is an example of this. It's also a little off to say that Saitama's just going to endlessly one-shot Demigra, who continuously resurrects, without getting bored and calling it a day or giving him some sort of a shot, not to forget that Demigra can just resurrect himself universes away without Saitama knowing where he is, go invisible, go to him, and mindhax him then. He's an Extraordinary Genius, such a tactic shouldn't be rocket science to him.
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Fiction ignoring logic like that, allowing finite speed characters to keep up with infinite ones, is a prime example of PIS. It would be very out of character for Saitama to supress himself by a literal infinity.

How fast is Demigra's resurrection?
 
Yeah, when Saitama fought Boros, it's not like he just immediately tried blitzing him while he was regenerating his arm or when Boros was explaining his back story. For most of that fight, Saitama was just letting Boros hit him for a while.
 
Talking is a free action. As soon as the battle began, Saitama led by one-punching Boros into a pillar.
 
Yes, and then Saitama let Boros punch him through and around a pillar and then up through a ceiling. He also engaged in a punching barrage and only removed one of Boros's arms.
 
Also remember that Boros was the first enemy that had survived one of Saitama's punches, when Saitama's entire 'goal' is to be able to have a good fight.
 
How about Spawn (Imagine Comics) and either Death or The Darkness (Supernatural) for 3-A?.

Edit: Nvm the Supernatural characters, I didn't know they were upgraded to low 2-C.
 
GyroNutz said:
ZeroTC01 said:
It wouldn't be PIS at all. Fiction quite frequently ignores logic like that, and it is in no way OoC for Saitama to supress himself by rediculous degrees anyway.

He often does do that, but he often does tank as well, although not always necessarily at the very start. Boros, mid-battle, is an example of this. It's also a little off to say that Saitama's just going to endlessly one-shot Demigra, who continuously resurrects, without getting bored and calling it a day or giving him some sort of a shot, not to forget that Demigra can just resurrect himself universes away without Saitama knowing where he is, go invisible, go to him, and mindhax him then. He's an Extraordinary Genius, such a tactic shouldn't be rocket science to him.
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Fiction ignoring logic like that, allowing finite speed characters to keep up with infinite ones, is a prime example of PIS. It would be very out of character for Saitama to supress himself by a literal infinity.
How fast is Demigra's resurrection?
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Not at all when it's entirely possible for the character to suppress themselves, and they do so all the time. It's in no way OoC, since wanked Saitama would literally always be suppressing himself by an infinite amount.

I'm not certain of the exact timing, but it's apparently been discussed and accepted as combat applicable. Anyway, he stays dead and mindhaxes Saitama (yet to be proven wrong on that), then resurrects himself. OR, he resurrects himself a good distance away from Saitama's enhanced sight, goes invisible, and mindhaxes him. There's no way for Saitama to bypass the resurrection, so this would work even if you don't accept the during-death mindhax.
 
Anyone in BlazBlue that exists outside of logic due to being immune to conventional attacks and having smurf hax.
 
Adam activates 5-B tech and goes batshit crazy with Planetary-level mindhaxes OwO

Assassin's Creed solos Narutoverse's mindhax at discount prices but gets rekt when it comes to other non-mindhax-based haxxes
 
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