White Queen upgrade

[BlackFIFA19]

Theinfected Queens were stated to be able to easily destroy a galaxy, and the original is still far stronger, plus the 256 times parameter upgrade, and the parameter growth break,


She should be far above Planet Level

 

[LazyHunter]

No.

The statement is "powerful enough to destroy a galaxy", not "capable of easily doing it".

Once they had a goal, the greater than 10,000 White Queens would begin to move as one. And any member of that group was powerful enough to destroy the entire galaxy.

And it's just a hyperbole, considering the White Queen's power has been consistently described since vol 1 and in this vol as "easily world/planet destroying". In the very next chapter after the galaxy statement the narration is back at using "easily world level" to describe their power.

Each individual Queen could blow away 'a world' or two without even trying, and this was an entire swarm of them.

And before you try to argue "that's not her full power", look at the Attack Potency page and check out the gap between Solar System and Galaxy level. Now look at the gap between Planet level and Galaxy. There's a huge gap between Planet level and Galaxy, so easily destroying a planet is not a valid argument to support a lone, likely hyperbole statement about destroying a galaxy.

All the White Queens are as strong as each other, they are explicitely said to have the same specs multiple times in vol 7. This includes the main White Queen.

"Yes, but each of the Queens has the same specs. So the rest depends on the situation. It would be difficult to singlehandedly defeat 100 people in a simultaneous game of rock-paper-scissors, but things change if you play them all sequentially in 100 different games. Both options are far from easy, but the first step is preparing the proper conditions and environment."

The hunt continued as a great many infected Queens with identical specs clogged up all of the mountain paths.

Even if they were the countless infected, each of them had fully identical specs which they used to break through the temporary barrier.

Identical White Queens rushed in from all directions. They had a different origin, but their specs were no different. And Shiroyama Kyousuke had forbidden himself from killing. He could not erase the infected Queens from both worlds because that would mean killing the vessels along with them.

Those hunks of flesh had lost the majesty of the Queen and they simply pulsated on the ground before reverting to their original human forms. And yet all of the infected Queens were supposed to have specs identical to the main Quee.

Also, she was harmed and "killed" by a Planet level character.

 

[Kyosuke000]

White Queen destroyed sapce with white big bang.

 

[LazyHunter]

No, she hasn't?

 

[Kyosuke000]

In new Kamachi Crossover SS.

http://dengekibunko.jp/author/kamachikazuma/trial/gokon/

White Queen destroyed sapce and create new space.

This SS is eternal return, so White Queen already destroyed and recreate space many times.

This SS also said that White Queen is stronger than Othinus.

 

[LazyHunter]

I though that you were talking about her victory over the Unexplored-class being a "spiritual big bang". This makes more sense.

That web crossover hasn't been translated to English as far as I know, so those like me who can't read Japanese can't even check if what you're saying it's true or not. But more importantly, that is a non-canon crossover, so even if what you say is true it won't affect the canon White Queen or her page here.

 

[Kyosuke000]

This SS was written by Kamachi in official site.

Official site already had two corssover written by Kamachi for official.

In another crossover SS Yukari's Universe level destiny manipulation didn't made any sence to Queen.

White Queen is strongest in Kamachi Universe.

And Blood-sign summoner is also too strong, if they go to another Kamachi world.

Summoner in blood sign can control any magic or superpower caused by human in summon field. Even Beatrice's(Boo Boo) 1km size giant magic fire had been easily controlled by Aika(battle without white liger) . It is very hard to let magician to win the summoner because they can even control divinity so controling human's superpower is too easy for them to do.

Aika not just reflected magic of Beatrice, even stealed the buff caused by magic.ÒÇÇ

She also conversed the fire of Beatrice to ice and throw it back.

Summoner can do anything to the magic caused by human level in their field.

 

[LazyHunter]

Just like all the other crossovers involving 2 or more of his series. Being written by Kamachi doesn't make it canon.

Kamachiverse or Kamachi Universe is not a thing.

 

[Antvasima]

LazyHunter is correct in that we do not tend to scale from crossovers, as all characters tend to have their abilities adjusted to be in proportion with the other series.

 

[LazyHunter]

To be fair, the Kamachi crossovers he writes between his own series don't usually do that. Characters that should kick the ass of other verse characters still do (Youkai laughing off physical attacks no matter the source, Mikoto being overpowered by Gatling 033, Touma, Heivia and Quenser being easily handled by Mai Hishigami, White Queen playing around with the entire protagonist cast, etc). The issues in them would be characters displaying an ability they haven't shown in the original series (Yuki Onna using Absolute Zero or Blood Sign summoners manipulating human magic) and characters who have unclear strength on the original series in the first place (Divine-class matching an Object like Baby Magnum when Divine classes only have one likely hyperbole statement of their strength that funny enough would also make them City level).

The power consistency still doesn't make them canon. And White Queen, who is strongly established in her own series as a Planet buster (a very casual Planet buster, but still a Planet buster), isn't Universe level or the strongest Kamachi character. Even if Kamachi suddenly decides that she is, it's worthless unless it comes up in her own series.

 

[Kyosuke000]

So it means summoner can not have the ability of controling magic and superpower caused by human levelÒÇüwhich every summoner can.

It is so pity.

This ability is the reason why everyone in blood-sign world doesn't use Second Summoning Ceremony(magic of index world).

Add one suggetion, Divine Class disn't match with Object, Baby -Magnum just protected everyone from heat of Yamatanorochi appears soon White Queen appeared divinity didn't fight.

Also Beatrice and Boo Boo easily defeat the Object in crossover.

 

[LazyHunter]

They haven't displayed that ability in canon material, so no they don't have it.

It's been stated that the most magic Blood Sign humans can do on their own is create their Blood Signs, which would be trash magic in Toaru. The Second Summoning Ceremony is not Index-type magic, it's traditional-type summoning (write a summoning circle, make a ritual, etc)

Yamata-no-Orochi melted the Baby Magnum's nuke-proof armor like an Object heat-based main weapon would. That puts it on the same City level ballpark and even fits the City level likely hyperbole statement in the Blood Sign light novels.

That would be another untranslated crossover. Though there's two DontTalk calcs that would put Boo-Boo and Beatrice at City and Small City level, respectively. Problem is they didn't get any attention, so we can't use them.

 

[Antvasima]

@LazyHunter Okay. Thank you for the information.

 

[Kyosuke000]

Queen said Second Summoning Ceremony can do anything human can imagine, can even save the world.

 

[LazyHunter]

The second summoning ceremony is humans summoning supernatural creatures through rituals and stuff, not combat-level magic.

"Next is the Second Summoning Ceremony. By exciting one's own mind into a state unexplainable by normal psychology, this methodology allows you to call forth a demon from a grimoire, hold concrete negotiations with the gods of legend, or otherwise control phenomena beyond the realm of human knowledge."

She explicitely refers to it as the traditional/cliche summoning techniques.

"These are the convenient summoning techniques that people in need think of."

It's been established since Volume 1 that humans on their own are capable of very little magic. They can create a Blood Sign and establish a a Summoner-Vessel contract and that's pretty much it.

Renge reached into her shrine maiden outfit's pocket and scattered a bundle of Japanese paper through the air. They whirled through the air and quickly formed a hard stick about 180 centimeters long.

However, that was the most magic a single human could accomplish.

They could not shoot fire from their hands or fly through the sky on a broom. Producing a magic wand with no tricks up their sleeve was the limit.

And that was exactly why those fragile humans relied so heavily on the higher beings that possessed great power.

Elemental Manipulation such as shooting a fireball and flight spells are basic stuff for Toaru magicians.

 

[Antvasima]

@LazyHunter You can tell me when you think that this thread has been properly dealt with, and should be closed.

 

[Kyosuke000]

In Toaru, if human use strong magic also use the energy of the phase like heaven, asgard.

It almost same using power of divinity.

Downloading the weapon of god to blood-sign is also tupr of second summoning ceremony.

 

[LazyHunter]

@Kyousuke000

Some weak and strong magicians use Telesma. Some don't. And even weak magicians can do things that Blood Sign summoners are explicitely unable to do no matter what. Saying the two magic systems are almost the same is silly.

I can't recall the thing you mention happening or being mentioned in the Blood Sign novels.

@Antvasima

It should probably be closed given that both the crossover and the initial OP argument have been answered.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks. I will do so.