Megaraptor149
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Maybe, WOD and TES so far has solid tier 0
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What Verse that actually has solid tier - 0 feats foundation (means no possible downgrade in foreseeable future) ?
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EldemadeDityjon
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Megaraptor149
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Tbh, i feel the twin peaks are a bit wanked 
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No it isn't. What 1-A feats are actually shown in the comics?
Just because they "aren't normal" dimensions doesn't them that they have a 1-A difference between each other. Superboy Prime literally beat the shit out of TDK who, according to you, would be 1-A.
This is factually incorrect. DC will be split by authors, and none of them will be above 1-B. I think the only one that would have the possibility of being 1-A is vertigo, and that's it. You also still haven't provided any evidence for 1-A DC.
Ok, what evidence?
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- Anyone who has read DC comics knows the verse gets to 1-A, but you haven't so how would you know?
- The dimensions in DC are not geometrical, heck Scott Snyder confirmed that 6D is not even spatial. Multiple evidences show that these dimensions are not the same as random spatial dimensions as 6D is above the Source Wall which transcends any measure of space and time and platonic concepts in the verse.
- DC would be split ONLY in this wiki, whatever happens here stays here. You cannot oppose 1-A DC outside this forum so have all the fun you want in here. A lot of characters in the verse scale to 1-B and 1-A. Characters like Swamp Thing, Superman, Flash, New Gods, Darkseid, The Presence, Lucifer, The Endless and many more.
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its very complex but we are talking about twin peaks. I spent 5 months just to figure out the plot AFTER watching the show.Tbh, i feel the twin peaks are a bit wanked
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no it would be the I am that I am on Jehovah's profile. if bondye was high 1-a, then I am that I am is tier 0. the difference is huge
Megaraptor149
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Yeah, the tv series also is good
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Ah yes, a top tier argument.
Transcending space, time and platonic concepts is at best a Low 1-C feat.
Of course we won't oppose it outside the forum, no cares about that nor can we really make them follow our tiering and vice versa. The entire point is that they'll be downgraded here. Overvoid is likely staying 1-A though.
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This isn't a response.
We've already been over this. The physicality of the dimensions is utterly irrelevant unless it's been proven that they are 1-A in nature, which they aren't.
This isn't a response. You keep making a vague reference to some mountain of "evidences" that you seemingly don't have, and to make it worse, you don't know how the scaling system works.
1. "transcending any measure of time and space" is a vague statement and doesn't necessarily support 1-A or even Low 1-C unless there is contextual evidence supporting it. Likewise, you've repeatedly failed to provide actual scans of these "statements".
2. Platonic concepts haven't granted 1-A or even Low 1-C for over 100 years now. Why did you bring this up?
Yes, that's what I said. lmao
Actually, I can, and I already have been for a little over a year now. There simply is no evidence that DC is 1-A.
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Why do you say that? The only High 1-B feats do not relate to the Overvoid and iirc the Overvoid was just stated to be an incredibly large organism, I don't even recall there being any relationship it has to space-time being related to it.
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Due to transcending dual systems and concepts which we usually accept as low 1A or so.
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wait a sec, dual systems means transduality, right ? what type of transduality then ?
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I mean what about Marvel characters like Toaa? A lot of people like to use Jung scaling to scale that stuff above High 1-A and marvel have that apparently
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Jung is the new Plato of VS debatting. People try to wank stuff through concepts linked to his works despite not actually granting anything.
CraigTucker
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That's kind of true, I have dealt with Outer sonic before with the same Jung argument and quite frankly it makes me sick people tried to argue Jung being above outer to scale sonic to boundless hell they even tried argue sonic at omniversal via Marvel
CosmicWreck
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Yeah, a lot of offshoot sites abuse this wiki's tiering system but I don't know if omniversal sonic would apply to that seeing as how multiversal ratings in forums like OBD seems to stop at 2A in order to qualify. The tiering system of a lot of sites are just different and I don't see the point of holding them to our standards.
I also don't think we're allowed to bad mouth other sites on here either.
I also don't think we're allowed to bad mouth other sites on here either.
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- It's a response. And it proves you haven't actually opened a comic book in your life.This isn't a response.
We've already been over this. The physicality of the dimensions is utterly irrelevant unless it's been proven that they are 1-A in nature, which they aren't.
This isn't a response. You keep making a vague reference to some mountain of "evidences" that you seemingly don't have, and to make it worse, you don't know how the scaling system works.
1. "transcending any measure of time and space" is a vague statement and doesn't necessarily support 1-A or even Low 1-C unless there is contextual evidence supporting it. Likewise, you've repeatedly failed to provide actual scans of these "statements".
2. Platonic concepts haven't granted 1-A or even Low 1-C for over 100 years now. Why did you bring this up?
Yes, that's what I said. lmao
Actually, I can, and I already have been for a little over a year now. There simply is no evidence that DC is 1-A.
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- Lmao, the dimensions are 1-A, especially from the 4-D upwards, what are you on about?
- No. Transcending any measure of space and time is not vague, "transcending space and time" is the vague statement. The context to transcendence is already made clear by the word " ANY", any at all.
- Platonic concepts ON THIS WIKI do not grant 1-A. However, the theory meets the requirements for 1-A nevertheless which is still valid in other wikis and platforms.
- More like you don't read enough DC. You listen to whatever they say here, not like I care tho. I'm simply telling you DC cannot be downgraded lower than 1-A as there are multiple evidences still supporting 1-A DC. If DC gets downgraded to anything below 1-A then it just solidifies my suspicion on the comic book bias that has been going on in this wiki for as long as i can remember.
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Ok then show your proof. Don't show it? Not real, and therefore not valid, DC stays below 1-A L + no bitches + soyboy
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- Yeah, DC stays below 1-A in your dreams.
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- Transcending space and time is at most a low 1-C feat. Transcending any form of space and time is straight up 1-A. Transcending platonic concepts is also 1-A.
- Overvoid should be 1-A+ as far as I'm concerned.
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Honestly can you actually substantiate arguments, if even in cliff notes and summary? Because just claiming that someone you disagree with has no knowledge of the source material and insisting on your claim is nonsensical and casts you in a poor light regardless of whether your arguments have merit.
Uh, no. That still grants nothing here. Which allows me to segway into my next point;
Yeah, the entire point is that according to our standards, the vast majority of DC Comics is likely due a downgrade. Not sure why you'd even bring up other sites when we fundamentally care little for how they rate fiction. And claiming bias whenever a verse you like is downgraded is just really poor conduct all around.
@Winzy @Meganova_Stella
I will ask both of you to try and keep things civil in any case.
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Not on this site, at least if those statements are all we have to go on. And what other sites think really doesn't matter at all in this discussion.
Good for you I suppose.
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More seriously, Plato himself never portrayed his concepts as anything remotely similar to what we consider to be 1-A. Hell, Eros is supposed to be a platonic concept, and he sure isn't 1-A.
Also "any form of space and time" not only is context dependent, but why would it stop at 1-A? Even tier 0 technically still is under these. That's arbitrary af.
Also "any form of space and time" not only is context dependent, but why would it stop at 1-A? Even tier 0 technically still is under these. That's arbitrary af.
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"His power level... IT'S OVER 9000 MAHLO CARDINALS!!!" feels more like the new Play dough.
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Tbf I'm not even sure
Like it is a useless addition that overcomplicates stuff for nothing; but the only characters who can try to use it for tiering so far is like, a bunch of astronauts dudes and this guy who made a dog with Aleph teeth?
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That being said, I never actually understood why Jung/Plato were (or aren’t) the tiers the are.
But, yes, I’m actually really glad everything we did comes from the series proper, instead of some random article because the series uses the same concepts.
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Yes, and my dreams are reality.
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- That's how it has always been on this site, no? Transcendence of any form of space and time with enough context scales to 1-A.
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I'm willing to bet, none of them
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Context usually being layers of transcendence, High 1-B structures, clear-cut precise statement, etc...
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Imagine being one of the greatest thinkers of the world and having your ideas being used 2000 years later by people who wants their fictional character to be stronker and upper class of a ''tiering system'' used by nerds
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No proof = No bitches+ concession
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With enough context, seeing the universe as an apple can be Tier 0. But here's the thing; there's no such context for DC Comics.
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